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Another BPM Lesson For The Kiddies
Posted on: 14.07.2012 by Jerica Salava
In this example, we have Darth and Vader with a glorious 128 BPM remix of Coming Alive by Vandalism and iKid.

Notice the crafty way they weave a 64 BPM dubstep drop at 3:40, then nimbly double back to 128 BPM.

Stay tuned for another lesson soon.



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Ervin Calvery
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by djproben
The funny thing about this video is there's complete silence at 3:37; you could literally mix in any tempo after that and make it work.
I agree, and also also believe that there is no skill involved in going to and from half or double time.
Ervin Calvery
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by loverocket
.. you can[not] change centuries of music theory.
You totally can.

By the way, putting snares on the third beat isn't exactly changing centuries of music theory.



Originally Posted by loverocket
And a metronome measures quarter notes not eighth notes.
Something's wrong with your metronome if it can only measure quarter notes. Is it so crazy to set it to 120 to measure quavers (8ths) at quarter=60? Incidentally, modern metronomes show subdivisions.





Originally Posted by Shishdisma
I don't really understand the point here. Dubstep is typically 140-150 BPM... Any person who vindictively says dubstep is 70 BPM is a twat who doesn't understand rhythm structure. /thread
Indeed.
Jerica Salava
15.07.2012
Originally Posted by Sn0wday
it makes sense mentally cause it DOES sound that slow.
This guy gets it. Smart man.

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Francis Leckliter
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
You're all wrong, dubstep is actually 35 bpm in double time.
Hahahaha perfect.

Seriously who really cares about tempo semantics.
Jerica Salava
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
No, that's Diplo... and Datsik apparently

For reals, I believe you are putting way too much stock into this. The best part about rules in music, is that you can break them.
Lela Umanskaya
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by loverocket
i heard he is only doing 110 BPM now ?!?!?

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No, that's Diplo... and Datsik apparently

For reals, I believe you are putting way too much stock into this. The best part about rules in music, is that you can break them.
Jerica Salava
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
Somebody tell Skrillex that he is doing it wrong...
i heard he is only doing 110 BPM now ?!?!?

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Latoria Kavulich
15.07.2012		you guys can continue this bullshit discussion in off topic.
Matt Kane
15.07.2012		so this is how 70 bpm do sound like?



Ervin Calvery
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by djproben
The funny thing about this video is there's complete silence at 3:37; you could literally mix in any tempo after that and make it work.
I agree, and also also believe that there is no skill involved in going to and from half or double time.
Ervin Calvery
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by loverocket
.. you can[not] change centuries of music theory.
You totally can.

By the way, putting snares on the third beat isn't exactly changing centuries of music theory.



Originally Posted by loverocket
And a metronome measures quarter notes not eighth notes.
Something's wrong with your metronome if it can only measure quarter notes. Is it so crazy to set it to 120 to measure quavers (8ths) at quarter=60? Incidentally, modern metronomes show subdivisions.





Originally Posted by Shishdisma
I don't really understand the point here. Dubstep is typically 140-150 BPM... Any person who vindictively says dubstep is 70 BPM is a twat who doesn't understand rhythm structure. /thread
Indeed.
Tesha Freudenstein
16.07.2012		go listen to some early dubstep and tell us again it isn't 140.
Danae Dumler
16.07.2012		The funny thing about this video is there's complete silence at 3:37; you could literally mix in any tempo after that and make it work.
Jerica Salava
15.07.2012
Originally Posted by Sn0wday
it makes sense mentally cause it DOES sound that slow.
This guy gets it. Smart man.

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Francis Leckliter
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
You're all wrong, dubstep is actually 35 bpm in double time.
Hahahaha perfect.

Seriously who really cares about tempo semantics.
Madelene Witek
14.07.2012		I believe it's all preference, spin dubstep new and old and ALWAYS set it to 70bpm

Why?

Cause it makes mixes and beatmatching it far simpler, and it makes sense mentally cause it DOES sound that slow.
Romelia Stankard
14.07.2012		You're all wrong, dubstep is actually 35 bpm in double time.
Jerica Salava
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
No, that's Diplo... and Datsik apparently

For reals, I believe you are putting way too much stock into this. The best part about rules in music, is that you can break them.
Lela Umanskaya
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by loverocket
i heard he is only doing 110 BPM now ?!?!?

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No, that's Diplo... and Datsik apparently

For reals, I believe you are putting way too much stock into this. The best part about rules in music, is that you can break them.
Jerica Salava
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
Somebody tell Skrillex that he is doing it wrong...
i heard he is only doing 110 BPM now ?!?!?

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Lela Umanskaya
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by loverocket
see why I am frustrated. I am a DJ and a drummer and I use to dance as well. I know rhythm very well. If you isolate the dubstep drums, that is a slow tempo beat, around 60-80 BPM. the snare is on 2 and 4. Just beacuse you set FL studio to 140 BPM and place your snares on 3 doesn't mean you can change centuries of music theory. Placing the snares on 3 is incorrect. That would mean your 1/8ths are now 1/16ths and your 1/32's are now 1/64's etc. that's incorrect.

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Somebody tell Skrillex that he is doing it wrong...
Jerica Salava
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
I don't really understand the point here. Dubstep is typically 140-150 BPM. If it comes up as 70 or 75, it's because the transient detection in (insert DVS here) is pretty crap. Any person who vindictively says dubstep is 70 BPM is a twat who doesn't understand rhythm structure. /thread
see why I am frustrated. I am a DJ and a drummer and I use to dance as well. I know rhythm very well. If you isolate the dubstep drums, that is a slow tempo beat, around 60-80 BPM. the snare is on 2 and 4. Just beacuse you set FL studio to 140 BPM and place your snares on 3 doesn't mean you can change centuries of music theory. Placing the snares on 3 is incorrect. That would mean your 1/8ths are now 1/16ths and your 1/32's are now 1/64's etc. that's incorrect.

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Alla Bluemke
14.07.2012		Its called math. Why are we starting a thread about this again?
Nancey Inderlied
14.07.2012		I don't really understand the point here. Dubstep is typically 140-150 BPM. If it comes up as 70 or 75, it's because the transient detection in (insert DVS here) is pretty crap. Any person who vindictively says dubstep is 70 BPM is a twat who doesn't understand rhythm structure. /thread
Lela Umanskaya
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by ksandvik
Some return 70 with Traktor, some not. I recommend doing a little bit more extensive testing than using one single dubstep track -- assuming you own more than one dubstep track of course.
He did just discover Knife Party about... a week ago or so...

140 is different than 70 just like 1/2 is different than 2/4, or 3/6... durrr... what was the question again?
Tatum Untiedt
14.07.2012		Always a solid strategy to feel useful, try to make yourself seem smarter than other people by starting a topic with a counter argument to an argument that wasn't brought up. As if your other threads on this weren't enough. Go find something better to do or preach to people who care.

Also its really cute how you sign all your posts.

- 8----D
Jerica Salava
14.07.2012		I am a drummer. And a metronome measures quarter notes not eighth notes.

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Celine Surico
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by loverocket
I am not trolling. Just proving I am correct about BPM's. Just loaded DEV - Bass Down Low (Proper Villains Remix) into Traktor ........... (analyzing)........70 BPM.
Some return 70 with Traktor, some not. I recommend doing a little bit more extensive testing than using one single dubstep track -- assuming you own more than one dubstep track of course.
Lela Umanskaya
14.07.2012		You have proven absolutely nothing. Go talk to an experienced drummer, come back when have a fundamental understanding of tempo (and mathematics).
Jerica Salava
14.07.2012		I am not trolling. Just proving I am correct about BPM's. Just loaded DEV - Bass Down Low (Proper Villains Remix) into Traktor ........... (analyzing)........70 BPM.
Celine Surico
15.07.2012
Originally Posted by Patch
Wait - Dubstep ISN'T 140BPM? When was this decided and why wasn't I consulted???
Tell that to Traktor's beat detection...

As for the drop, suspect this was done in Ableton Live or something similar so it's not that hard to calculate the pauses and with grid help and tempo automation figure out how things sound smooth. I was hoping this was a live DJ event or something similar, that's where this talent would have been true.
Brunilda Kora
15.07.2012		Wait - Dubstep ISN'T 140BPM? When was this decided and why wasn't I consulted???
Matt Kane
15.07.2012
Originally Posted by loverocket
it was intended for the idiots that believe that 70 BPM dubstep is actually 140 BPM.
what is your problem, man? i believe we
Maricruz Mouw
15.07.2012
Originally Posted by loverocket
it was intended for the idiots that believe that 70 BPM dubstep is actually 140 BPM.
there we go...the loaded troll post i was looking for
Jerica Salava
15.07.2012		it was intended for the idiots that believe that 70 BPM dubstep is actually 140 BPM.
Brunilda Kora
14.07.2012		No no no - you've all missed the lesson here... 128 divided by 2, is 64. BUT...

64 times by 2 is 128!!!

The man's a genius. Truly.
Lela Umanskaya
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
and? i don
Ervin Calvery
14.07.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
and? i don
Matt Kane
14.07.2012		and? i don

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