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Serato dj. Worse than vdj? Posted on: 31.03.2013 by Dannie Dimora Good day I hope this isn't gonna be a tl;dr post :P I have been djing for about a year now, using a friend's (here comes the hate) hercules dj mp3 e2 and virtual dj. I started out in my bedroom, and only in the past month and a half me and a friend (we're a duo) have gotten quite a lot of attention locally And the money i got at gigs, i saved up to buy a serious controller and give back the already pretty beaten up hercules to my friend. I went with the pio ddj-sx. I mainly chose it because i needed something big and sturdy, and i just was too fed up with small jogs (of the hercules) to buy the kontrol s4. I loved the controller at first sight. It was just the thing i needed. When i installed the software, however, my feelings changed drastically. Serato DJ disappointed me a lot. Beat detection sucks, waveforms (even tho they're colored) are harder to visually beatmatch when compared to VDJ, auto gain doesn't work and i have to keep my SX at redline volumes to cope with the volume changes, waveforms are sluggish and stuttery on my quadcore i7 laptop (CLEAN windows with nothing on but chrome and serato), and i get occasional audio stuttering and audio dropouts, along with sluggishness in both the computer and controller. I performed a clean install of windows on a new disk, with the purpose of having it run perfectly, with no bloatware at all, optimizing windows for audio processing, and this is what i get? Now for some aspects of the software that really surprised me (in a negative way) -There's only a couple of good effects imo. Why put hp, lp, and combo hp/lp filters in the software fx section when most controllers have an integrated filter in the mixer section? -The slicer is quantised to 1/8, ok, but why can't you turn quantisation off in the settings? Or even just set it to 16ths or 32ths.. Like this i find it useless... and sometimes it gets stuck in an 8bar loop with no apparent reason. -The sampler. It seems to me like it's made to just drop goddamn air horns and "pump it ups", instead of actually getting creative with it Now yes, there are some gains when using serato. Of course the slicer isn't even present in vdj, and the sampler is just as bad. But when compared to traktor ( a software that i've used at a couple of gigs with the s4, and i really really liked), serato really seems lacking to me. I actually seem to do better mixes on the $60 hercules and vdj than on the $1000 ddj-sx and serato... To those of you who suggest using traktor with the SX, i tried, but the lag on the jogs is so bad i really can't work with it (call me spoiled, but it really bothers me... ) What should i do? Return the beast that the ddj-sx is and get an s4, letting go the beautiful jogs? Return the ddj and wait for the s4 mk2 and traktor pro 3? Or simply live with the constant feeling that i'm not "at home" with the software i'm using? Thank you and i'm very sorry if i sounded harsh, it's just that i'm quite confused right now.. Luka
Dannie Dimora 02.04.2013	Originally Posted by jprime I'd like to add that you can use the left and right arrow keys to adjust the grids...I know some people overlook that Yeah i found that out by accident, i left my hand on the keyboard and the beatgrid went berserk :P it's funny that in the same gig it helped me set a beatgrid on the fly on a track that was playing
Dannie Dimora 02.04.2013	Originally Posted by haze324 Poly --- are you using beatgrids in SDJ? I believe they are great, even if you don't use sync. Hell I use them in Scratch Live. I find that if you drop a grid marker on your first beat (and they are very easy to idenfity) the grids are marked in bars....they are numbered. So you can glance up and see numerically where you are in an intro, breadown, etc. I use them only in tracks where the slicer could come in handy, for the others i mainly set my own hotcues. They're also really easy to set with the jogwheels and the controls on the far sides on the left of the jogwheels
Dannie Dimora 02.04.2013	Originally Posted by lucidstrings Not to be that guy but you have contradicted yourself. You say sdj beat detection sucks and wave display is hard to read. Then go to say you don't mix visually..... In my experience alot of serato hate comes from people that can not mix without sync on and are lost without beat grids or quant. Hey no don't worry you're not that guy by beat detection i meant bpm detection, just the number. You see, i don't really have an organized library, mainly because i always used bpm scanning to choose what to play next. I just clicked the bpm tab to sort the songs, and i increased the bpm as the gig progressed, and decreased as the crowd got tired. No i didn't just play same-bpm songs one after another after another, i know what song to put on and when, it's just that sorting by bpm really helped me with that. The waveform i look at to see where i am in the song, if it's the first, second or third chorus, how much approx. until the track drops again etc. etc. So it's still an important part in my mixing, but not for beatmatching (also, i find sdj's waveforms, even though colored, less indicative of where the beat is than the ones in vdj) I totally hate quantisation. Mostly because before i started djing i produced, and trained my fingers over the years using an maudio triggerfinger (4x4 velocity sensitive pads, basically a maschine without the additional screens and options) I used sync in vdj since the hercules had an enormous amount of latency, and i just couldn't sync tracks properly by hand.
Doreen Schurle 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by Polygon What the actual F*%$ ? That was pretty much my reaction too.
Dannie Dimora 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign On a related note, came across this while looking for a TM4 scratch video... quite possibly the most hilarious performance video I've ever seen... What the actual F*%$ ?
Dannie Dimora 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Nope, since Serato do not artificially limit jog wheels from functioning properly. The Traktor MIDI limitation is created entirely by NI, using NHL as a scapegoat to promote their own "high definition jog wheels" on the S2+4. It's the compromise they have for making Traktor open to any and all MIDI devices. The same issue was true with the VCI 300 - one of the best controllers ever made for scratch use, yet is unusable in Traktor. you are completely right. NI is crippling MIDI support in traktor in favor of its homegrown hid NHL protocol (30 times more data than midi my a**)
Dannie Dimora 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by balakoth You need to find a different club my friend lol I just say im a Performer. Simple as that. Technically sometimes I do DJ... but technically anyone who uses Traktor is no longer a "DISC" Jockey haha... Well music is usually stored on a hard DISK drive, if we wanna get real technical :P
Doreen Schurle 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by haze324 Is there a video of some scratching with Traktor and Reloop? Unfortunately not Most people who buy one seem to just use Serato; and the few who use Traktor mainly play EDM stuff anyway. Still, aside from the physical appearance, the jogwheels sensors and "brain" of the TM2/4 are the same as the Jockey series, so the Jockey 3 Traktor videos should give a good impression of what's possible with one. For example: Originally Posted by makar1 Maybe mdc can create one for us. I could if I wasn't utterly wank at scratching. I'm not a hip-hop DJ, so never bothered to learn On a related note, came across this while looking for a TM4 scratch video... quite possibly the most hilarious performance video I've ever seen...
Doreen Schurle 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Nope, since Serato do not artificially limit jog wheels from functioning properly. The Traktor MIDI limitation is created entirely by NI, using NHL as a scapegoat to promote their own "high definition jog wheels" on the S2+4. It's the compromise they have for making Traktor open to any and all MIDI devices. The same issue was true with the VCI 300 - one of the best controllers ever made for scratch use, yet is unusable in Traktor. Well by that logic, it's not a specific problem with the TM4 at all, merely an issue with Traktor. Your first post came across like you were just purely bashing the TM4. The point still stands that the TM4 itself is a fantastic controller, regardless of what software you use.
Maile Dekerlegand 03.04.2013	SDJ/Itch have flexible beat grids and IMO a cleaner UI as well as hands down the best jog implementation for scratching (VCI300/380/DDJSX) SDJ and Itch both suck at dealing with large itunes libraries http://serato.com/community /discussion/837589 Serato in general is painfully slow at releasing updates/fixes (i.e. midi out/vci380/twitch/bridge and the list goes on...) Can't speak for VDJ as I haven't used it but I hear that it's scripting is extremely flexible and like what I see coming in the new version (should it ever be released). Traktor is great software but it's supported controllers (i.e. S2/S4 not DVS) are not ideal for proper scratchy jog wheel bizniss. That being said is OP really gonna wanna do scratches and spinbacks? or just scrubbing and cueing in which case there are already heaps of options
Dannie Dimora 02.04.2013	Originally Posted by jprime I'd like to add that you can use the left and right arrow keys to adjust the grids...I know some people overlook that Yeah i found that out by accident, i left my hand on the keyboard and the beatgrid went berserk :P it's funny that in the same gig it helped me set a beatgrid on the fly on a track that was playing
Dannie Dimora 02.04.2013	Originally Posted by haze324 Poly --- are you using beatgrids in SDJ? I believe they are great, even if you don't use sync. Hell I use them in Scratch Live. I find that if you drop a grid marker on your first beat (and they are very easy to idenfity) the grids are marked in bars....they are numbered. So you can glance up and see numerically where you are in an intro, breadown, etc. I use them only in tracks where the slicer could come in handy, for the others i mainly set my own hotcues. They're also really easy to set with the jogwheels and the controls on the far sides on the left of the jogwheels
Breanne Penge 02.04.2013	I'd like to add that you can use the left and right arrow keys to adjust the grids...I know some people overlook that
Julissa Serrone 02.04.2013	Poly --- are you using beatgrids in SDJ? I believe they are great, even if you don't use sync. Hell I use them in Scratch Live. I find that if you drop a grid marker on your first beat (and they are very easy to idenfity) the grids are marked in bars....they are numbered. So you can glance up and see numerically where you are in an intro, breadown, etc.
Dannie Dimora 02.04.2013	Originally Posted by lucidstrings Not to be that guy but you have contradicted yourself. You say sdj beat detection sucks and wave display is hard to read. Then go to say you don't mix visually..... In my experience alot of serato hate comes from people that can not mix without sync on and are lost without beat grids or quant. Hey no don't worry you're not that guy by beat detection i meant bpm detection, just the number. You see, i don't really have an organized library, mainly because i always used bpm scanning to choose what to play next. I just clicked the bpm tab to sort the songs, and i increased the bpm as the gig progressed, and decreased as the crowd got tired. No i didn't just play same-bpm songs one after another after another, i know what song to put on and when, it's just that sorting by bpm really helped me with that. The waveform i look at to see where i am in the song, if it's the first, second or third chorus, how much approx. until the track drops again etc. etc. So it's still an important part in my mixing, but not for beatmatching (also, i find sdj's waveforms, even though colored, less indicative of where the beat is than the ones in vdj) I totally hate quantisation. Mostly because before i started djing i produced, and trained my fingers over the years using an maudio triggerfinger (4x4 velocity sensitive pads, basically a maschine without the additional screens and options) I used sync in vdj since the hercules had an enormous amount of latency, and i just couldn't sync tracks properly by hand.
Trista Karle 01.04.2013	Not to be that guy but you have contradicted yourself. You say sdj beat detection sucks and wave display is hard to read. Then go to say you don't mix visually..... In my experience alot of serato hate comes from people that can not mix without sync on and are lost without beat grids or quant.
Doreen Schurle 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by Polygon What the actual F*%$ ? That was pretty much my reaction too.
Dannie Dimora 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign On a related note, came across this while looking for a TM4 scratch video... quite possibly the most hilarious performance video I've ever seen... What the actual F*%$ ?
Dannie Dimora 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Nope, since Serato do not artificially limit jog wheels from functioning properly. The Traktor MIDI limitation is created entirely by NI, using NHL as a scapegoat to promote their own "high definition jog wheels" on the S2+4. It's the compromise they have for making Traktor open to any and all MIDI devices. The same issue was true with the VCI 300 - one of the best controllers ever made for scratch use, yet is unusable in Traktor. you are completely right. NI is crippling MIDI support in traktor in favor of its homegrown hid NHL protocol (30 times more data than midi my a**)
Dannie Dimora 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by balakoth You need to find a different club my friend lol I just say im a Performer. Simple as that. Technically sometimes I do DJ... but technically anyone who uses Traktor is no longer a "DISC" Jockey haha... Well music is usually stored on a hard DISK drive, if we wanna get real technical :P
Doreen Schurle 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by haze324 Is there a video of some scratching with Traktor and Reloop? Unfortunately not Most people who buy one seem to just use Serato; and the few who use Traktor mainly play EDM stuff anyway. Still, aside from the physical appearance, the jogwheels sensors and "brain" of the TM2/4 are the same as the Jockey series, so the Jockey 3 Traktor videos should give a good impression of what's possible with one. For example: Originally Posted by makar1 Maybe mdc can create one for us. I could if I wasn't utterly wank at scratching. I'm not a hip-hop DJ, so never bothered to learn On a related note, came across this while looking for a TM4 scratch video... quite possibly the most hilarious performance video I've ever seen...
Alphonso Deitchman 01.04.2013	Maybe mdc can create one for us.
Julissa Serrone 01.04.2013	Is there a video of some scratching with Traktor and Reloop?
Alphonso Deitchman 01.04.2013	Yes the problem is with Traktor. I did specifically say the TM4 works great with Serato, and it's not that the controller is at fault. You just can't continue claiming the TM4 has scratch-worthy performance in Traktor as if it somehow has overcome the indiscriminate limitations of MIDI through Traktor. And I'm certain the engineers at Reloop are perfectly capable of creating optimal mappings for their gear. You shouldn't have a problem getting a job at Reloop if you feel you are much more capable than them.
Doreen Schurle 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Nope, since Serato do not artificially limit jog wheels from functioning properly. The Traktor MIDI limitation is created entirely by NI, using NHL as a scapegoat to promote their own "high definition jog wheels" on the S2+4. It's the compromise they have for making Traktor open to any and all MIDI devices. The same issue was true with the VCI 300 - one of the best controllers ever made for scratch use, yet is unusable in Traktor. Well by that logic, it's not a specific problem with the TM4 at all, merely an issue with Traktor. Your first post came across like you were just purely bashing the TM4. The point still stands that the TM4 itself is a fantastic controller, regardless of what software you use.
Alphonso Deitchman 01.04.2013	Nope, since Serato do not artificially limit jog wheels from functioning properly. The Traktor MIDI limitation is created entirely by NI, using NHL as a scapegoat to promote their own "high definition jog wheels" on the S2+4. It's the compromise they have for making Traktor open to any and all MIDI devices. The same issue was true with the VCI 300 - one of the best controllers ever made for scratch use, yet is unusable in Traktor.
Doreen Schurle 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 There is no controller on the market that gets top jog performance in Traktor using MIDI. NI specifically limit this so that people don't just go out and buy Serato controllers (i.e. 0 royalties to NI) and use a mapping file to get better performance than their S2, S4, and licensed/collaborated products. Serato do the same thing - you can't use any of their software without licensed hardware connected. Sticker drift has nothing to do with jog performance in this league of controllers. Neither do mapping versions. There's only so many ways you can create a MIDI mapping; it's such a simple process so there's no way you can blame poor jog performance on poor mappings. It's fairly obvious you don't do any scratching Mdc, since you always use the lack of sticker drift as your reasoning behind the jog performance of your gear. Digital Jockey did a very detailed review on the TM4; their English isn't the best but it's clear they find performance better in Serato. That still doesn't address the issue of the fact that the TM4 uses MIDI to communicate with ALL software packages. Any inherent limitations in MIDI itself would surely be represented equally in both Serato and Traktor. EDIT: Also: http://digitaldjtips.com/community /threa...al-mix-4.4250/
Alphonso Deitchman 01.04.2013	There is no controller on the market that gets top jog performance in Traktor using MIDI. NI specifically limit this so that people don't just go out and buy Serato controllers (i.e. 0 royalties to NI) and use a mapping file to get better performance than their S2, S4, and licensed/collaborated products. Serato do the same thing - you can't use any of their software without licensed hardware connected. Sticker drift has nothing to do with jog performance in this league of controllers. Neither do mapping versions. There's only so many ways you can create a MIDI mapping; it's such a simple process so there's no way you can blame poor jog performance on poor mappings. It's fairly obvious you don't do any scratching Mdc, since you always use the lack of sticker drift as your reasoning behind the jog performance of your gear. Digital Jockey did a very detailed review on the TM4; their English isn't the best but it's clear they find performance better in Serato.
Doreen Schurle 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by haze324 ^ curious can you adjust the tension on the jogs of the TM4. I believe that's what gives the VCI-300 such an advatage (probably the only one it has) on it's jogs. The tension allows for some very tight cuts. Never really given the TM4 a look, but could be an option since I'm not all that thrilled with the NS6. Unfortunately not You CAN, however, on the Jockey 3. They've got actual physical adjustment via a wheel for both platters independently. When they introduce a 4-deck version of the Jockey - which is quite likely at Musikmesse 2013 - it'll come with that ability
Julissa Serrone 01.04.2013	^ curious can you adjust the tension on the jogs of the TM4. I believe that's what gives the VCI-300 such an advatage (probably the only one it has) on it's jogs. The tension allows for some very tight cuts. Never really given the TM4 a look, but could be an option since I'm not all that thrilled with the NS6.
Doreen Schurle 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Quoting from the TM4 review comments on DDJTips: "As expected the jogs are less tight on traktor…" From Phil Morse himself (another Reloop fanatic): "The S2 is the better controller for Traktor" I just found this post, and tbh I'm quite surprised as I get the same performance out of the jogwheels on Traktor as I do on Serato... the TM4 isn't configured, firmware-wise, to send anything other than MIDI messages to ANY of the three software packages, so I assume it's just an issue with the Reloop factory mappings... I map everything myself, so I never experienced this. No sticker drift whatsoever with my mapping, for example. On a related note, just found this gem regarding the Jockey 3, from Phil Morse: "There’s nothing at all wrong with the Jockey 3 jogwheels, there was a real fuss over nothing about those. We never had a single problem after Traktor updated to 2.1.1, and even before then Reloop’s engineers did some pretty neat stuff in mapping 1:1 with the software." (http://www.digitaldjtips.com/2012/01...#comment-60061) Originally Posted by makar1 From the DJTT TM4 Review: "inherent limitations of MIDI mappings", "Traktor MIDI mappings don’t take advantage of some of the TM4′s best features that were built with turntablist Serato users in mind, such as Crossfader deck assignment switches and the jog wheels", "I cannot recommend the TM4 for DJs who exclusively use Traktor" Similar problem here, just a lack of polish on the pre-release mappings; don't forget it was reviewed 3 weeks BEFORE launch, without either the mappings or firmware being finalized. As you can see in my video review, I've got the crossfader assignment switches mapped perfectly in Traktor, without excessive modifiers or anything like that... in both positions they send different MIDI notes on all 4 switches, so mapping is a piece of cake. Originally Posted by makar1 From DJ Booth: "In Serato DJ Intro, the DJ will have the tightest Jog Wheel integration of all and scratching will be much nicer than on Virtual DJ LE or Traktor" They didn't actually test it with Traktor, just Serato and VDJ, so just pure speculation here. Originally Posted by makar1 And Digital Jockey: "[in VDJ] it is necessary to run many tests in order to understand what delay there is between the physical movement of the jogwheel and what is happening on the screen", "[in Traktor] As usual, working with the jogwheels is not very convenient, it is possible to scratch, manual start of tracks is very complicated." Don't quite understand the last part there... translation error perhaps? :-\ Originally Posted by makar1 I'm sure the TM4 works excellently in Serato as that's what it's designed for, but the general consensus seems to be that it has the same mediocre jog performance in Traktor as any other controller. All I can say is, with the mapping I'm using, on Traktor 2.5+, the jog wheels are probably the best I've ever used, aside from the NS7 and the Denons, but that's because moving platters still have a special place in my heart. For static jogs, the TM4 beats everything else hands down - including my mates' S4.
Julissa Serrone 01.04.2013	^ You earned a beer with that one. I believe what you will find is guys who don't scratch believe decent jog wheel scrubbing is good jog wheel performace. Also, I have yet to see (perhaps it exists) a controller that has tight jogs using either Serato AND Traktor with the same exact controller. Numark had to change the firmware for the NS6, the DDJ-S1 and T1 worked differently, the VCI-300 is horrible with Traktor, etc.
Alphonso Deitchman 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign The TM4, on the other hand, has had nothing but praise for its jog wheels in Serato AND Traktor. Quoting from the TM4 review comments on DDJTips: "As expected the jogs are less tight on traktor…" From Phil Morse himself (another Reloop fanatic): "The S2 is the better controller for Traktor" From the DJTT TM4 Review: "inherent limitations of MIDI mappings", "Traktor MIDI mappings don’t take advantage of some of the TM4′s best features that were built with turntablist Serato users in mind, such as Crossfader deck assignment switches and the jog wheels", "I cannot recommend the TM4 for DJs who exclusively use Traktor" From DJ Booth: "In Serato DJ Intro, the DJ will have the tightest Jog Wheel integration of all and scratching will be much nicer than on Virtual DJ LE or Traktor" And Digital Jockey: "[in VDJ] it is necessary to run many tests in order to understand what delay there is between the physical movement of the jogwheel and what is happening on the screen", "[in Traktor] As usual, working with the jogwheels is not very convenient, it is possible to scratch, manual start of tracks is very complicated." I'm sure the TM4 works excellently in Serato as that's what it's designed for, but the general consensus seems to be that it has the same mediocre jog performance in Traktor as any other controller.
Doreen Schurle 02.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 The Jockey controller is 2 years old now, and was itself criticised for its poor jog wheel performance. Nothing has been released recently that's been designed specifically for Traktor. And the TM4 gets the same criticism in its reviews as any other non-NI controller - poor jog wheel integration. It doesn't matter how high resolution the hardware is if it can't be put to use. On the other hand the 4Trak gets praise for its decent jog wheel performance in Traktor yet apparently is still not good enough, so it stands to reason that the TM4 will only be worse. You're referring to the pre-release firmware and mapping which was tested by Ean Golden almost 2 years ago now; since then, the Jockey 3 has been re-released twice, both of which releases fixed numerous bugs and added new features, most recently about 3 weeks ago with the Jockey 3 Remix. The TM4, on the other hand, has had nothing but praise for its jog wheels in Serato AND Traktor.
Alphonso Deitchman 01.04.2013	The Jockey controller is 2 years old now, and was itself criticised for its poor jog wheel performance. Nothing has been released recently that's been designed specifically for Traktor. And the TM4 gets the same criticism in its reviews as any other non-NI controller - poor jog wheel integration. It doesn't matter how high resolution the hardware is if it can't be put to use. On the other hand the 4Trak gets praise for its decent jog wheel performance in Traktor yet apparently is still not good enough, so it stands to reason that the TM4 will only be worse.
Doreen Schurle 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 The DDJ SX is no more limited in Traktor than any Reloop controller, as they're all Serato controllers. There is a distinct lack of dedicated Traktor controllers most likely due to NI's new hardware based business plan. From the OP: "To those of you who suggest using traktor with the SX, i tried, but the lag on the jogs is so bad i really can't work with it (call me spoiled, but it really bothers me... )" I don't have issues like that with the TM4. I can't speak from experience as personally I haven't used the DDJ-SX with Traktor (only Serato) but it sounds like Pioneer's MIDI implementation is significantly worse than their HID one. Also, the Jockey series is Traktor-specific.
Shawn Vanhaitsma 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by Polygon Agree, i also integrated some live synths from cubase in a couple of my sets (people didn't like it tho, they just want to dance to pitbull&guetta 24/7). Dj is an extremely overused term, but again, if people ask you "what do you do at the club?", and you answer "i sample sounds and put them together with my launchpad and live ", they will probably just go away unimpressed, while if you answer "i'm a dj", they will go all "oooh" and "aaah"... You need to find a different club my friend lol I just say im a Performer. Simple as that. Technically sometimes I do DJ... but technically anyone who uses Traktor is no longer a "DISC" Jockey haha...
Alphonso Deitchman 01.04.2013	The DDJ SX is no more limited in Traktor than any Reloop controller, as they're all Serato controllers. There is a distinct lack of dedicated Traktor controllers most likely due to NI's new hardware based business plan. If you're not happy with the 4Trak there's really no better alternative for Traktor outside HID CDJs and turntables. Haze seemed to believe even the CDJ 400s had some of the best jog wheel performance and I expect you could get a pair for less than the cost of the SX. Add in a Traktor mixer like the Z2 and you have a complete and flexible setup.
Doreen Schurle 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by b1sh0p It's hard to take any post you write seriously because you seem like a salesman. I know, I'm just fanatical lol. Not without good reason, mind you; I've used plenty of gear, and I don't recommend something without being 100% certain it has significant advantages over the competition, and try to convey that as well... I suppose that's why it comes across as marketing-y. Originally Posted by b1sh0p My whole point was that the medium is bullshit. It doesn't matter. Make it sound good. Play good tunes. Make a set. I don't care what gear you're rocking. I don't care if you sync or not. Make it sound good. People always post this stuff about gear , and how it's holding them back. What's your end goal? The job of a dj is to present your taste in music in a way that people want to dance to. You're not a musician. You're a dj. There's a huge difference. You're right to a CERTAIN EXTENT, but there are limits. The gear you use doesn't matter, up to the point where it begins to impede your ability to express yourself. That may be with a lack of controls, an overly-convoluted design, or limited software. The OP made it clear that his main issue is with Serato, not the DDJ-SX itself, which is fair enough. But since the DDJ-SX is rather limited when mapped to other software, the solution seems to be to return the unit and buy a different controller which he can map to any software. Keeping the DDJ-SX and just praying that Serato pull their fingers out could very well be an exercise in disappointment. Originally Posted by Polygon Do you work for reloop? :P I wish!
Dannie Dimora 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by balakoth Depends on the type of "DJ" you are. I get labeled as "DJ" but I dont A B mix.. or do any funny beat juggly mumbojumbo.. I perform music in forms of live synths, clips, drum patterns, and use Traktor when I want to bring in an already produced track. DJ in this day and age is a broad term. Its also over used and over abused. Agree, i also integrated some live synths from cubase in a couple of my sets (people didn't like it tho, they just want to dance to pitbull&guetta 24/7). Dj is an extremely overused term, but again, if people ask you "what do you do at the club?", and you answer "i sample sounds and put them together with my launchpad and live ", they will probably just go away unimpressed, while if you answer "i'm a dj", they will go all "oooh" and "aaah"...

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