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I kinda see what you guys are saying Posted on: 24.11.2012 by Dorie Scelzo So, I'm looking into building a computer to host VMs. Nothing all that big | |
| Lin Danek 06.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Dorie Scelzo 05.12.2012 | I believe at this point I just need to decide whether or not I want to try to get the hacked OS X running on top of a bare metal hypervisor |
| Lin Danek 06.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Dorie Scelzo 05.12.2012 | I believe at this point I just need to decide whether or not I want to try to get the hacked OS X running on top of a bare metal hypervisor |
| Lin Danek 06.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Dorie Scelzo 05.12.2012 | I believe at this point I just need to decide whether or not I want to try to get the hacked OS X running on top of a bare metal hypervisor |
| Lin Danek 06.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Dorie Scelzo 05.12.2012 | I believe at this point I just need to decide whether or not I want to try to get the hacked OS X running on top of a bare metal hypervisor |
| Lin Danek 06.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Dorie Scelzo 05.12.2012 | I believe at this point I just need to decide whether or not I want to try to get the hacked OS X running on top of a bare metal hypervisor |
| Dorie Scelzo 09.12.2012 | I fill up 4GB of RAM all the time. Since putting 16GB in my laptop, I apparently haven't touched my swap/page files. Like…ever. Firefox shows the most noticeable improvement……it's not uncommon for it to have a 3GB footprint by itself. I won't be going back to less ram than whatever I can stuff in a computer or HDDs any time soon. They both make too big of a difference in my computers getting out of my way. Also, I retract my statement about never buying non-Laptop Apples. Scaling the computers back to awesome but not absolute overkill just for the sake of overkill, the only real difference between upgrading the mid-level Mac Mini (with aftermarket parts, not from Apple) and building a hackintosh from scratch is that the Hackintosh has 32GB of RAM instead of 16 and can run 3 monitors instead of 2, plus to install the second SSD in the Mac Mini, you have to take it completely apart……as in, you have to remove everything from the case including the logic board and the power supply. I never planned on running 3 displays. I could see getting a second screen and wanting to use it (which the Mini can do), but if I got a 3rd, I'd probably just plug it into an Apple TV. Expanding it (more video cards, PCIe SSDs, etc.) is also a lot cheaper, but you can do that to the Mini too……OWC released a $350 PCIe Thunderbolt chassis that's apparently pretty decent. Certainly worth a try compared to the $1000 ones from the likes of Sonnet. So, if I wanted to spend like $700 on it, I could boot off an SSD that gives like 800 MB/s uncompressed, which Thunderbolt can totally support. So……for what I actually do, the Mini is perfectly viable. And it'd actually work. And it would have something resembling a warranty. And I could spend the extra money on something like an Apogee Quartet instead of a computer that was so ridiculous overkill that I'd feel bad not doing anything real on it. The biggest drawback is that the videocard I'd get with the Hackintosh would support OpenCL……which means I could play with that. But I have no idea what I'd actually write that would need that power at this point. Ugh. Complicated. |
| Trista Karle 08.12.2012 | 4gb ddr3 and a ssd 6gb is perfectly fine for most ill admit though nothing I sport has less then 8 so was more so just pointing out 4 + 6gb ssd great |
| Dorie Scelzo 08.12.2012 | 13.3" is the largest laptop screen I'd ever buy. I'd get around 12" if I could. Anything bigger isn't a laptop anymore, IMHO. And SSDs do NOT compensate for RAM. You need both. |
| Trista Karle 06.12.2012 | I have a ux31a touch on back order can't wait to give it a go.... Hopefully can mess with it prior to having to passing it on to the field. Usually IMO an ssd will compensate for ram... With that said they have a 15.6 with upgrade able ram and touch but couldn't talk the guy here at work it's for into gettig it since he wants 13.3 plus the ux31 is a beast in a tiny frame hopefully touch adds more to it. The tagchi I believe aka the one with a swivel screen looks killer but no release until January from any of my suppliers.... Come on go for the i7-3960x fuck the 3770 peanuts compared to the monster the 3960 is |
| Dorie Scelzo 07.12.2012 | That ux21a seems like an okay computer except that it drops thunderbolt and only saves $100 compared to the base macbook air unless you buy from ebay……at which point it saves like $200. Some of the zenbook line take RAM upgrades, but Crucial doesn't have one for the ux21a, which leads me to believe that it uses soldered ram just like the Air. It looks like a cheap copy that's not actually cheap to me. Thanks for the suggestion (honestly). I do look at the PC market (quickly) every now and then just to see what's out there……I never find anything that's actually what I want. My thought process for buying a laptop is much simpler than my thought process for (maybe) buying my first desktop in a decade:
When it happens will probably depend on how well this computer is holding up when the new ones come out, since I forgot to buy Apple Care before my warranty expired. |
| Lin Danek 06.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Dorie Scelzo 06.12.2012 | The thing that's holding me back from just ordering it is that I just plain don't need it. My MBP is running just fine. And, when it eventually dies I'll get another laptop. I can live without a desktop. I can't live without a laptop. Ugh………decisions. I'm not actually complaining, but having disposable money is almost more of a PITA than saving for things. One thing this thought experiment (and potential buy) has proven: I don't believe I'll ever buy an Apple computer that's not a Laptop……iMacs and Minis really seem like crap compared to what you can build for less money. But, when it comes to laptops, I still feel like Apple hardware is worth something. And I do believe it's amazing how your life can change your habits so much. I spent the last decade convinced I'd never own another desktop because I don't game. All that's changed is that I moved in with my girlfriend. We don't have cable, so I find no need to be able to do my computing on the couch. And I don't mind sitting around at home so much, so my "studio" doesn't have to fit in the trunk of my car. Then I got a desk. And I got a matte display that's easier to look at than my glare-covered MBP screen. I'm going to do some experiments with dropbox to see if I can actually deal with changing my folder structure around to keep computers in sync……if I can…this is mighty temping……especially since we're talking about the next place we live having a room I can dedicate to music……… |
| Lin Danek 06.12.2012 | Now THAT is a machine, and that is a steal. |
| Dorie Scelzo 05.12.2012 | I believe at this point I just need to decide whether or not I want to try to get the hacked OS X running on top of a bare metal hypervisor |
| Trista Karle 05.12.2012 | That i7 3770k is a monster CPU sadly the ones I have built are only for a training room and am far to cheap to jump igo one for home use especially since usually when I build a new desktop I go all out so looking at the i7 3960x married to 64gb of ram which is inline with how I normally build my personal systems... Spends lots up front and save on not worrying about an upgrade for atleast 5 years. Only downside is I'm now on year 5 and have no issues with what I do. I recommended doing it based on the hackintosh specs because hackintosh systems run suprisingly well. I ran on one of my laptops for a bit only issue I had was with my keyboard not wanting to be recognized but was not an issue.. I'm sure if I would of tried could of fixed it but DIdnt try since was just a straight install nothing customized on the install like its recommended. |
| Dorie Scelzo 06.12.2012 | So……apparently the only difference b/t the build I was considering and a similar hackintosh build is that the slightly more expensive motherboard adds 2 thunderbolt ports and it needs a video card…which opens the option for up to 3 monitors and adds about $250 to the cost. It also has more internal SATA. I'm totally doing this over Christmas. It's going to be a beast…… |
| Dorie Scelzo 29.11.2012 | Ubuntu bugs me a bit just because I don't like its package manager and it installs a lot of extra garbage I don't want or need. And both Unity and Gnome are annoying………then again, I'm quickly becoming one of those dwm assholes. I'd never use it for audio tasks, but for most of the rest of my life, it's awesome………and audio stuff doesn't run on Linux anyway, so it's a moot point. I'll look into Proxmox. Xen is the one I've read the most about, and it's probably going to win. Well, I guess technically EXSi is the one I've read the most about, but I don't feel like going that route. I still haven't bought it just because it seems like a waste of a computer……but I can't scale it back and accomplish what I'd want. |
| Trista Karle 28.11.2012 | Have 4 systems that specs running ram in XMP mode and yeah it flys on 7 has to be windows for what their used for certain programs won't run without.... Honestly great CPU however I believe dare I even say this..... AMD newer architecture blows intel for multi core use when doing virtualization.... Atleast I recall reading this... That said I trust an intel build over an amd unless we're talking xenons and operatrons the. I'm up in the air. As far as Linux distros I have taken a liking to fedora Ubuntu has been sketchy lately eye candy over functionality bugs me |
| Rocco Fiveash 28.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Dorie Scelzo 27.11.2012 | Yeah…it kind of annoys me that I can't use Windows, because then I'd be able to use less expensive computers. But I really just can't. Even for a dedicated music machine, too much of what I need to do has to do with moving files around, batch renaming, backups……and it's so much easier to do that when you have a system than can run gnu tools and has a variety of real scripting languages. Windows just isn't *nix. And for me that makes it unusable. |
| Lin Danek 27.11.2012 | The comparative spec Mac to the ASUS that I bought about 2 years ago was exactly double the price (in Rands). Using all the advice on these community
s to unbloat the ASUS and run it lean has resulted in a machine that has NEVER failed me (save one embarressing operator error). I am now considering an update (faster processor, lighter & more compact aluminium unibody, longer battery life etc). Once again the Mac comes in at twice the price of the ASUS with the same specs. A combination of financial restraints and being an ASUS fan-boy helps the final decision. Would I like a Mac - sure. Am I compromising myself - no. My requirements are nowhere close to what you are looking for Mostapha, but the same things filter through to an off-the-shelf purchase. |
| Dorie Scelzo 25.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by Glen
I essentially do 3 classes of things with computers.
Windows will do 1 and 3 just fine, though 3 can be more of a headache than with Apple. Linux will do 1 and 2 just fine. In some ways, it does 1 better than OS X because it's less ugly and has better window managers available. In others, it's worse, since playing blue ray disks on linux is still in its infancy (like the first DeCSS days with DVDs) OS X is the only one that will do all 3, and with macports (or homebrew) and xnomad, it's pretty close to the same UX that I like from Linux…except that you interact with text files less and updating system software is way more cumbersome. And a Mac Mini would actually do everything that I want this potential computer to do……it'd just be slower (partially because you can't shove 32GB of ram in a Mac Mini but mostly because I don't believe the xen hypervisor will run on it). And I don't need it to do music things. Or really normal things, since I have a nice LG 22" display for my MBP when I'm at home.
Originally Posted by vanaema78
I mean, Unity sucks, and that was the biggest recent change I can remember. But so did Gnome when they used that. And its package manager is a bit on the crappy side compared to something like portage, but it's usable. I guess it installs a lot of crap I don't need………but it's not crap I have to turn off, as would be the case with Windows or is the case with OS X. Switch to a window manager that doesn't suck (I'm starting to really love dwm) and realize that you might have to install a lot of stuff from source, and it works just fine. It's a bit of a disk space hog, but my ubuntu install (dev machine for a specific project…didn't have a choice) is only an 8GB VM image, and it's half empty. That's not too bad even when you consider that it has zero media/content files on it. |
| Edwina Fagel 25.11.2012 | Ubuntu these days is even worse than Windows. |
| Hang Postman 25.11.2012 | "because I still don't consider windows "usable" let alone good." Im not sure how you came to this conclusion, a windows 7 ultimate machine under those specs would run beautifully, i understand if you love linux/ubuntu, but i believe you should at least give it a try! I believe it gets a bad rep from people not using it to its full potential |
| Dorie Scelzo 25.11.2012 | Yeah…the soldered RAM on the Air and Retina laptops are fucking stupid. If they're going to do that, the least they could do is offer real RAM upgrades at the time of purchase. IDK, I could use linux for 90% of what I do……unfortunately, it's the 90% that's easy on the computer. |
| Tesha Freudenstein 25.11.2012 | let alone being user unfriendly because of the whole custom parts thing going on. but yeah that's a helluva machine for that price. |
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