I'm suprised there is so much hate..
I'm suprised there is so much hate.. Posted on: 06.04.2013 by Syreeta Piela .. For 'traditional' A>B mixing.. I was scrolling back through some of the older community
posts and couldn't believe the amount of people hating on A>B mixing..I know the thread has been closed and I'm not trying to open up a can of old worms but some of the most legendary sets have been played A>B.. And continue to do so! A>B is NOT boring or lacking creativity. The real creativity and genius are the records you're selecting. I'd go as far as saying 90% of DJ's currently play A>B, yes there are some exceptions such as Hawtin but the majority still play in the traditional way. One deck to another and back again. I'm not trying to start an argument and I completely respect those who choose to incorporate more than 2 decks and use additional gear , loopers, samplers, FX, live drums/synths etc.. It all comes down to the music, it's not about quantity, it's about quality. RESPECT! J | |
| Meaghan Machold 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
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| Meaghan Machold 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
ugh... u obv dont see what im tryna say. u must seriously be blinded by ur own hatred/ignorance if you believe THAT is what I meant by my one sentence... also notice my previous post where i said i dont even TOUCH any of the FX in traktor.. -_______- |
| Fannie Ohayre 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
I need to ad that to my growing list of DJ quotes. |
| Emerson Crist 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by deevey
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| Meaghan Machold 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by dj subculture
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| Fannie Ohayre 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
Thanks. |
| Meaghan Machold 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
i just like the s4 cause its so easy for me to travel with. its as simple as that. ive had (gonna get racial here, but Philly is a very racial/diverse city....) black kids come up to me sayin im a sic DJ but question why I dont use vinyl.. and then I have like college EDM kids come up to me saying that traktor is awesome, but why am I wasting my time wit it if Im not using "cool FX" and bumping Knife Party... i just laugh at both groups of people and keep doing my thing |
| Emerson Crist 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Just like the few good posters in this thread, I appreciate song selection moreso than any effect masher. However, I believe the button mashers are a nice way of refreshing the scene, to an extent. If your set comprises of 4 or five songs over 45 minutes, then theres a problem calling yourself a DJ. For instance, I saw the interview with Araab Muzic a few months back. While I was impressed with his MPC skills, theres no way I could pay $20 to hear that for an hour. On the other hand, seeing a performer like DJ Shadow, was worth every penny. The same argument can be said for turntablists. There are quite a few of em out there that can scratch like its no ones business and layer a great set, but theres quite a few that rely only on their scratching skills with rudimentary mixing (i.e. quick slams, baby scratch lead ins and talking on the mic) A--B mixing is simply what a DJ did 20 years ago and its something that evolved with the addition of music. Our job as DJs are easy, but our goal should be worked for. |
| Meaghan Machold 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
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| Sonja Roybal 06.04.2013 | These debates are strange to me. People do realize the vast majority of the most popular dj's mix traditionally, right? What in the hell is passing them by? Traditional blending is still the standard and always will be. Turntablists have been doing crazy shit for 30 years and still can't pack a venue. Why? your average club goer doesnt want to hear that shit. There will always be a place for DJs and it has nothing to do with technology. |
| Ilana Enderson 06.04.2013 | I'm curious what DJs or mixes are not "boring" and "jukebox" if 'a-b' is out. The best mixes I've heard use long transitions between two tracks - this smoothness and musical flow is what its all about really. Effects or mashups or cue juggling overtop is just adding some extra interest.. But if the flow isn't there to begin with its totally redundant. I suggest OP listens to sasha involver 2 |
| Meaghan Machold 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
ugh... u obv dont see what im tryna say. u must seriously be blinded by ur own hatred/ignorance if you believe THAT is what I meant by my one sentence... also notice my previous post where i said i dont even TOUCH any of the FX in traktor.. -_______- |
| Trista Karle 06.04.2013 | Old vinyl dj here's my take ad my biggest thought why so many vinyl djs hate on digital djs goto a club guy rocks traktor cue jumps button mashes rapes effects. Sync quant snap all one but hey guess what still misses the timing factor out of phase can't count a beat maybe your lucky the guy has setup cue Points so rem if misses phase can nail it with a cue point. This is why most vinyl djs get mad and me included you say tools give youore creative freedom but can't do a basic skill everyone else can that doesn't have software doing the other stuff for you...... The reason I love itch and serato Dj. There is no quant or snap. And sync I'm not sure how to even run it. Simply put I'm a digital Dj who mixes like he's on viny/cdjs. I do not dislike heavy effects cue jumping and all that jazz. I equate it to digital turntablism. There's lots of guys who would call themselves turntablist but very few you would ever want to hear much less pay to hear. I'm not a snob or a cunt I just dislike when you act better then someone because you spent 3 days working out a 60min routine that has nothing innovative. I spend 120minutes mixing a 120minute set that may span 6 genres. |
| Hipolito Scionti 06.04.2013 | So because we have photoshop every photo taken should be airbrushed to shit and have mad filters? Because we have after effects every film and video should be about insane fx and we forget about storyline? Why are books even still around... That's the old way of telling stories! Etc |
| Fannie Ohayre 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
I need to ad that to my growing list of DJ quotes. |
| Emerson Crist 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by deevey
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| Meaghan Machold 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by dj subculture
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| Rolanda Clodfelder 06.04.2013 |
If your set comprises of 4 or five songs over 45 minutes, then theres a problem calling yourself a DJ.
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| Fannie Ohayre 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
Thanks. |
| Meaghan Machold 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
i just like the s4 cause its so easy for me to travel with. its as simple as that. ive had (gonna get racial here, but Philly is a very racial/diverse city....) black kids come up to me sayin im a sic DJ but question why I dont use vinyl.. and then I have like college EDM kids come up to me saying that traktor is awesome, but why am I wasting my time wit it if Im not using "cool FX" and bumping Knife Party... i just laugh at both groups of people and keep doing my thing |
| Emerson Crist 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Just like the few good posters in this thread, I appreciate song selection moreso than any effect masher. However, I believe the button mashers are a nice way of refreshing the scene, to an extent. If your set comprises of 4 or five songs over 45 minutes, then theres a problem calling yourself a DJ. For instance, I saw the interview with Araab Muzic a few months back. While I was impressed with his MPC skills, theres no way I could pay $20 to hear that for an hour. On the other hand, seeing a performer like DJ Shadow, was worth every penny. The same argument can be said for turntablists. There are quite a few of em out there that can scratch like its no ones business and layer a great set, but theres quite a few that rely only on their scratching skills with rudimentary mixing (i.e. quick slams, baby scratch lead ins and talking on the mic) A--B mixing is simply what a DJ did 20 years ago and its something that evolved with the addition of music. Our job as DJs are easy, but our goal should be worked for. |
| Meaghan Machold 06.04.2013 | Going back to this journey thing.. I work in the most top40/pophouse/kidsrequestcalvinharris+thriftshop club around in Philly.. and I STILL find a way to mix rap/pop/house/classics in a way that IT IS a journey and its not just one giant ipod shuffle of hits. It def is possible and its the best feeling when people come up to u at the end of the evening and tell you that your amazing at being able to mix not only songs, but different genres. To me it doesnt matter what you use... a DJ should be knowledgeable in music history/theory/specialization and be able to make people dance non stop. just how theres different "musicians" (some people call banging two spoons together an instrument) then there should be different "DJs" (and no being a sucky DJ doesnt count. i mean digital/vinyl/live/selector/whatever) |
| Bunny Sockel 06.04.2013 | If you want to mix A>B do it. If you want to mix 4 decks do it. If you want to perform all your tracks live do it. It's just if you start innovating and being creative by using 4 decks, drum machines and whatever else you will get heads turning people will realise that you're doing more than the guy fading the last 30 seconds of each track on his CDJ'S. |
| Dannie Dimora 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
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| Gaynell Rydberg 06.04.2013 | I don't get why there can't be different styles of DJ. It doesn't have to be this way or another way. You're supposed to express yourself through whatever means calls to you. If it's A->B, do it! If it's FXing and mashing up, do it! I personally hate it when DJs just overload a track with FX... |
| Dannie Dimora 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I live in a small country (2 million people), deep in the mountains. Here booze is a "tradition", if you want to call it like that, so the recent rise of clubs here has grown together with the idea that going out=drinking till you pass out. In the capital there are some nice clubs, not so known stuff. But they mostly host dub/jungle artists, so there really aren't almost any places to spin what i want. Therefore i've accustomed myself to the fact that every gig i do, i will have a minimum of 4 drunk guys with glasses in their hands at a time, dripping red wine&cola over my gear and asking for gangnam style. Now of course i know the scene is a lot different in other countries, but i'm mainly relating to what's happening where i live |
| Ethel Feigum 06.04.2013 | The point of being a dj is, as it always was, playing music to entertain a crowd. The methods and tools don't matter, as long as your crowd is entertained. |
| Latina Samon 06.04.2013 | It's all about the music. On the fly fx are all well and good but they don't really make what's being played any better as such, just slightly different. Any more and it's probably going to be too much. Real, good, proper music speaks for itself and it takes an expert to put it together properly. You can mash up your Swedish House Mafia and 'trap' all you like, the kids will lap it up. |
| 06.04.2013 | i definitely recommend this book. http://www.amazon.com/Last-Night-DJ-...dp/0802136885/ great read. |
| Qiana Castellucci 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by Big Panda
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| Julissa Serrone 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by Big Panda
I also believe folks fail to realize there is a difference between mixing 2 decks and playing ON two decks. I've seen some great shows of guys playing on two decks all evening and killing it. The limitation in creative options is not always created by the gear you are using, but by the DJ themselves. |
| Dedra Kreinbring 06.04.2013 | Again, a fairly harmless debate, has been ruined by a couple of idiots who cannot see anyone else's opinion. |
| nayit ruiz jaramillo 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Stop looking at things in such a linear way. You are failing to grasp that there is more to DJing than just what is new and forward believeing.
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Again you fail to acknowledge the art of selecting music and programming a set. A monkey, no matter how well trained cannot do this, neither can many djs. |
| Doreen Schurle 06.04.2013 | There's a lot of "wrong" in this thread, so rather than quoting everyone individually I'll simply say the following. A lot of you are failing to grasp what being a DJ means in this day and age. Years ago, a DJ was the only reliable method of providing a continuous, unbroken stream of music to an audience for 5-6 hours. Their job was to put one track on after the other, nothing more and nothing less. The craft evolved to include beatmatching to create a more seamless performance, suddenly everyone became "DJs" because this required a small element of talent, as opposed to just human jukeboxes. A short time after this, the first "performance" DJs appeared - scratch artists. They were pretty smart and realised that simply playing one track after the other wasn't a sustainable craft, and needed something extra as a hook. And so for years, the industry carried on like this; two camps of DJs, the jukebox-evolved beatmatchers, and the performance-inspired scratchers. And then, in comes digital music formats; specifically, pre-mixed CDs. Thousands of venues sack their DJs because it's a hell of a lot cheaper to just buy a couple of CDs than pay for a DJ every evening . This continues for a while, and then the DJ companies add "Effects" to their mixers. Crappy, non-beatsynced effects, sure, but effects nonetheless. Some DJs get their jobs back, yay! Then digital DJing makes an appearance, and the rise of Sync. Suddenly, even a monkey can do what the old jukebox DJs had been doing for years. Instead of learning to evolve, the old DJs start whining about how Sync is "cheating", and how you're only a real DJ if you use CDs/Vinyl etc. The scratch artists basically just laugh and say, "well it's still not as good as vinyl" - and for their purposes, they're right. And finally, a new type of DJ appears; specifically a new type of "performance" DJ, who uses software and MIDI controllers the way a scratch DJ uses a slipmat; to create new material the audience hasn't heard before. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but this community was primarily established to cater for the latter? If you ask me, if you're doing A--B mixing, you're part of the old "jukebox DJ" group, and you might as well just quit and let a lightly-trained monkey with VDJ/Traktor's cruise mode take over from you. |
| Judi Sissel 06.04.2013 | As much as I agree with Mr. Parish, that's a cache 22. The stigma that "you can't be professional if you use of a controller" or " you have to know how to play on tables/cdj's" will, and does, perpetuate the growth of technology. Kids and new DJ's are breaking their backs to get that gear (I know, I tricked myself into it). If discussions were spent more on the individual, creativity, music and based off of constructive criticism, then maybe we would see it more then just as a convenience. |
| Qiana Castellucci 06.04.2013 | Finally, a thread with some common sense in it Some excellent points from karlos and others and have to agree that, for me, its ALL about the music. I'm stunned to read someone interested or involved in the club scene that doesn't believe in the *journey* idea in a set. Some of the greatest DJ's of all time were capable of taking a floor on a journey with the simplest of tools, but an encyclopedic knowledge of their music and the crowd. People like David Mancuso or Larry Levan did use reel to reel, but their sets revolved around the correct tune at the right time. Just to put a little context about myself - i'm 50 years old, been DJ'ing since about '87, still have all my vinyl and still buy vinyl, but also have controllers and CDJ's. I used to have (in the early 90's) a large fully digital recording studio, but still prefer analogue instruments For me its all about convenience - if I could take all the vinyl I needed each time, I would, but some clubs dont have 1200's, all have CDJ's. Id rather dance to a DJ capable of holding the floor with the tunes he selects rather than killing the vibe with overuse of FX and EQ, hot queues etc. But its not just the new heads that fall into this trap - i'm really not a fan of the DJ's that use Isolators and play the EQ like an intrument, some are great at it (theo Parrish), but some I cant listen to (Clausell). |
| Syreeta Piela 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
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| nayit ruiz jaramillo 06.04.2013 | ^^Legend. Seen him a few times. |
| Syreeta Piela 06.04.2013 | Worth a watch if you haven't seen it. I suggest watching the whole thing but Theo Parrish talks about what we're discussing @03.13 |
| nayit ruiz jaramillo 06.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by DarioJ
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