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Soundcloud. You're Dead To Me.
Posted on: 10.04.2013 by Jerica Salava
Do you believe it's right for Soundcloud to reject your DJ Mixes because of copyright restrictions?

We (the DJs) built this site. A DJ mix (aka a mix CD, mixed compilation, mix tape, etc.) is an essential part of DJ culture. I know it's not Soundcloud, it's the labels, but it's ridiculous.

The last 3 mixes I've tried to upload were rejected because one or two tracks triggered copyright flags.

Any opinions?

What's the best alternative option?


Cheers.

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Dannie Dimora
11.04.2013
Originally Posted by Jester
become a psytrance dj.
My screen has coffee on it now. Thanks.
Matt Kane
11.04.2013
Originally Posted by loverocket
Hey Ed,

Maybe you should post a new thread asking everyone here at DJTT to demo your friends new site and provide some feedback.

There is a lot of stuff that could be improved over Soundcloud. Like the Genre groups

Maybe we could help him make the best upload site out there.

>

i did so.

http://community .djranking s.com/showthr...281#post606281
Javier Rowinsky
11.04.2013
Originally Posted by Jester
become a psytrance dj.

bbahahahahahahahhahaa
Doreen Schurle
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
if some of you are sick of using sc or mc:

a friend of mine just "finished" a new mix/track hosting site

http://hearthis.at/

i kinda like this project and it
Jerica Salava
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by hellnegative
Ive never had an issue with being flagged. Usually if youre flagged its by the artist or label themselves, or they have added the track to soundclouds database of tunes not to be uploaded. I dig soundcloud for this. It keeps other people from uploading music that is not their's.

It sucks it happened to your mix mate.
Yeah. the intro hack on the mix compilation works great. I believe it's to prevent what your stating.

So that people don't just upload a Swedish House Mafia track and say it's made by them.

My 1 hour mix kicked off with an old Jamiroquai track, from over 10 years ago, and that got flagged.

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Jerica Salava
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
if some of you are sick of using sc or mc:

a friend of mine just "finished" a new mix/track hosting site

http://hearthis.at/

i kinda like this project and it
Matt Kane
10.04.2013		if some of you are sick of using sc or mc:

a friend of mine just "finished" a new mix/track hosting site

http://hearthis.at/

i kinda like this project and it
Marguerite Salsedo
11.04.2013
Originally Posted by Patch
Fair play Drum n' Bass labels!
Yep, they know what it means to the scene!

Originally Posted by Blu Mar Ten Facebook Page
You might have noticed that SoundCloud's new content ID system picks up registered tracks in some mixes and blocks the upload. We believe that DJs play an important role in keeping the music alive and that you have the right to use our tracks in a mix if you bought them, so please take this as our blanket permission to do just that. If Soundcloud blocks your mix due to any of our tracks please file a dispute and overturn the block, stating you have our permission. Feel free to point them in my direction if they need confirmation and please share this so other people know they don't have to scrap a whole mix due to 3 mins of audio.
More info here: http://bit.ly/SoundCloudContentID
Critical's note was nearly identical.
Jerica Salava
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
"DJ Lessons".
lol.
Dannie Dimora
11.04.2013
Originally Posted by Jester
become a psytrance dj.
My screen has coffee on it now. Thanks.
Onie Sarandos
12.04.2013		interesting. I usually start my mix with some kind of non-musical quasi-original intro. maybe that's why i've never been flagged. Then again, i upload my "live mixes" from playing out sometimes as well and ive never been flagged for those either.

whoops. maybe i shouldn't have said that....they might be watching...
Augustine Mitzen
11.04.2013		does the 3 seconds trick really work? sweet if so
Matt Kane
11.04.2013
Originally Posted by loverocket
Hey Ed,

Maybe you should post a new thread asking everyone here at DJTT to demo your friends new site and provide some feedback.

There is a lot of stuff that could be improved over Soundcloud. Like the Genre groups

Maybe we could help him make the best upload site out there.

>

i did so.

http://community .djranking s.com/showthr...281#post606281
Javier Rowinsky
11.04.2013
Originally Posted by Jester
become a psytrance dj.

bbahahahahahahahhahaa
Latoria Kavulich
11.04.2013		become a psytrance dj.
Doreen Schurle
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
if some of you are sick of using sc or mc:

a friend of mine just "finished" a new mix/track hosting site

http://hearthis.at/

i kinda like this project and it
Jerica Salava
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by hellnegative
Ive never had an issue with being flagged. Usually if youre flagged its by the artist or label themselves, or they have added the track to soundclouds database of tunes not to be uploaded. I dig soundcloud for this. It keeps other people from uploading music that is not their's.

It sucks it happened to your mix mate.
Yeah. the intro hack on the mix compilation works great. I believe it's to prevent what your stating.

So that people don't just upload a Swedish House Mafia track and say it's made by them.

My 1 hour mix kicked off with an old Jamiroquai track, from over 10 years ago, and that got flagged.

>
Jerica Salava
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
if some of you are sick of using sc or mc:

a friend of mine just "finished" a new mix/track hosting site

http://hearthis.at/

i kinda like this project and it
Emelina Chillson
10.04.2013		Ive never had an issue with being flagged. Usually if youre flagged its by the artist or label themselves, or they have added the track to soundclouds database of tunes not to be uploaded. I dig soundcloud for this. It keeps other people from uploading music that is not their's.

It sucks it happened to your mix mate.
Matt Kane
10.04.2013		if some of you are sick of using sc or mc:

a friend of mine just "finished" a new mix/track hosting site

http://hearthis.at/

i kinda like this project and it
Marguerite Salsedo
11.04.2013
Originally Posted by Patch
Fair play Drum n' Bass labels!
Yep, they know what it means to the scene!

Originally Posted by Blu Mar Ten Facebook Page
You might have noticed that SoundCloud's new content ID system picks up registered tracks in some mixes and blocks the upload. We believe that DJs play an important role in keeping the music alive and that you have the right to use our tracks in a mix if you bought them, so please take this as our blanket permission to do just that. If Soundcloud blocks your mix due to any of our tracks please file a dispute and overturn the block, stating you have our permission. Feel free to point them in my direction if they need confirmation and please share this so other people know they don't have to scrap a whole mix due to 3 mins of audio.
More info here: http://bit.ly/SoundCloudContentID
Critical's note was nearly identical.
Brunilda Kora
10.04.2013		Fair play Drum n' Bass labels!
Marguerite Salsedo
10.04.2013		A couple of Drum & Bass labels (Critical, BMTM) have noted that if their stuff gets flagged to contest it because they understand the importance of mixes to the culture, basically that they're cool with it being used in a mix since a lot people buying their tunes are doing so to mix them.
Jerica Salava
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
"DJ Lessons".
lol.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Protip right there haha.

Unfortunately, promoters tend to ask for a link to your Soundcloud page these days

As for the legal issue, that's still up for debate. If you want an example of people taking liberties as far as the law is concerned, look at the ProDub License insanity.
Well, uploading copyrighted music is illegal. No grey area, no debate. We have done that subject to death on DJTT. As much as we all know it to be stoopid (and we do all agree that making mixes is essential) it is illegal. It's written in black and white.

We can debate the grounds that the law is based on but we cannot debate what is and is not in statute.

Now this kind of statement usually leads to a load of bile thrown back. It is possible to have awareness of the law and not agree with it.

Also, yeah I know what the ProDub Licence is. I have actually argued against it with a PRS Officer. She was completely uninterested in a discussion... and that's the point. There is no discussion with these people. The law is the law and we can all agree that it's wrong but until enough people come together and voice discontent all we can do is argue about it on here.
Doreen Schurle
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by loverocket
How do you guys manage to get laid without DJ mixes?

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"DJ Lessons".
Jerica Salava
10.04.2013		How do you guys manage to get laid without DJ mixes?

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Celestine Porebski
10.04.2013		Haha, they never had anything to complain about my DJ mixes, but they recently sent me a copyright notice because of a loop I created on my Electribe SX using one-shot-samples from some sample cd. I laughed. A lot
Pierre Aliseo
10.04.2013		Going to try the intro idea thanks for the tip! Had one rejected recently as well...
Leeanna Ayla
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Or just not bother making mixes, that's what I do.

One day I will be at your level of awesomeness. Until then I will just have to put the time in to earn my keep.
Doreen Schurle
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Or just not bother making mixes, that's what I do.
Protip right there haha.

Unfortunately, promoters tend to ask for a link to your Soundcloud page these days

As for the legal issue, that's still up for debate. If you want an example of people taking liberties as far as the law is concerned, look at the ProDub License insanity.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by photojojo
You could also just not play popular music, that's what I do.
Or just not bother making mixes, that's what I do.
Valery Ellick
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by photojojo
You could also just not play popular music, that's what I do.
Good point...I'm sure that has something to do with my mixes not getting flagged.
Leeanna Ayla
10.04.2013		You could also just not play popular music, that's what I do.
Valery Ellick
10.04.2013		The downside to mixcloud is you can't download...That's where mixcrate comes into play, but I've had numerous issues getting my mixes uploaded. Unfortunately, neither of them gets the traffic that soundcloud does.

Regarding the intro workaround, sometimes I'll start the first track with some FX (filter/delays) to bypass the check. I haven't had anything flagged...yet.
Hanna Ridenbaugh
10.04.2013		I pretty much just use mixcloud now. Added bonus it adds your play list automatically.
Brunilda Kora
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos
Seems like Soundcloud was a good idea that has suffered from becoming to popular.
Bingo. You can't be popular AND profitable in this (DJ/mixes) game.
Hayden Raugh
10.04.2013		+1 with the intro worked for me last month
Elvis Woodis
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by loverocket
wow. that intro trick is great. i'll try it out. thanks.
You don't need to do that.

A 3 or 4 second gap with nothing playing is all you need. Trust me.
Jerica Salava
10.04.2013		wow. that intro trick is great. i'll try it out. thanks.

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