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Messe 2013
Posted on: 04.04.2013 by robin loo
hey there..

so messe 2013 starts next wednesday.. are there infos on new gear which will be shown there? will DJTT be there? any community member going? i'll go there on wednesday
Basil Forshee
11.04.2013		I'm sure we'll never see a RMX-80 USB, given the fact that the RMX-40 USB barely sold, opposed to the RMX-40. And Reloops soundcards are just... well, not top-of-the-line, shall we say.

So, it's a nice mixer for at home but nothing more. Interesting where Reloop is taking its product line next.
Elmer Kindinger
11.04.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
It's going to have to drop to
Emelina Chillson
11.04.2013		Why wait on the first batch of shipments to fail when you can come out on top with what is becoming the industry standard already?
Doreen Schurle
12.04.2013
Originally Posted by hellnegative
Def needs a soundcard. I have to agree, midi capability on a house mixer is a tad redundant. You can use the send/receive with a live input in traktor to utilize traktor's effects. not too sure about ableton, deckadance, and serato tho.
Don't forget that Reloop also have a history of releasing a couple of different variants of their mixers (RMX-40 MIDI, RMX-40 USB, etc) so a variant of the RMX-80 which includes a soundcard isn't an impossibility eventually I suppose it depends on feedback from the first batch of shipments.
Emelina Chillson
12.04.2013		Def needs a soundcard. I have to agree, midi capability on a house mixer is a tad redundant. You can use the send/receive with a live input in traktor to utilize traktor's effects. not too sure about ableton, deckadance, and serato tho.
Rochel Papillion
12.04.2013
Originally Posted by JDFS
They aren't Traktor Scratch Certified, but almost everything is MIDI mappable. Still, why would one need those controls on a mixer. Such a hassle, you keep switching between MIDI on/off.
someone that is an ableton user might believe the midi is a good idea n people that are control freaks.
i believe at least a soundcard on it would have been nice
Basil Forshee
11.04.2013
Originally Posted by enorjy
arent the DB4 n DB2 not software certified but still offer midi?
they just kind of expensive
They aren't Traktor Scratch Certified, but almost everything is MIDI mappable. Still, why would one need those controls on a mixer. Such a hassle, you keep switching between MIDI on/off.
Emelina Chillson
11.04.2013		With no digital audio i/0 the price needs to come down. this is a dealbreaker for me. Def not picking this mixer up. Might as well be a behringer djx900 with a filter knob on each channel.
Rochel Papillion
11.04.2013		arent the DB4 n DB2 not software certified but still offer midi?
they just kind of expensive
Basil Forshee
11.04.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
How do you know what the buttons, faders, and knobs are like already?

You of course neglect to mention what the RMX 80 is missing from the 800. No MIDI, no Digital I/O, no additional FX for the filter knob, 1 less phono preamp, and the endless encoder looks like a horrible way of selecting Beat FX.

It's going to have to drop to
Brunilda Kora
11.04.2013		I'm seriously considering getting a DJM-850S. I don't believe I'm gonna be able to stop myself.........
Basil Forshee
11.04.2013		I agree with you on the lack of MIDI. Never missed it on a DJM-800 or a Xone 92, even though they both do support MIDI, but limited.

Ohh, it's so frustrating; I'm looking forward to every new mixer but there's one in particularly where I'm waiting for, but I guess it will never come out: an updated Xone 92 with the color scheme of the DB4, still 6 channels but with a build in souncard (like 6 stereo outputs or something, even for studio use). But as I said, I believe it'll never come because A&H is focusing their DJ department on the DB series and the 92 never fails, so why need to build another one?

Or I would like to see a Xone 5D, once again updated with the color scheme of the DB4, more flexibility and two K2's on the side.

Dreams...
Alphonso Deitchman
11.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Anyway, it basically IS a DJM-800, but with better knobs/buttons/faders, dedicated effect time parameter buttons, and an aux input right on the top plate. I'm gonna see if I can persuade a few of the local venues to upgrade from their battered DJM-600s to one of these, looks awesome.
How do you know what the buttons, faders, and knobs are like already?

You of course neglect to mention what the RMX 80 is missing from the 800. No MIDI, no Digital I/O, no additional FX for the filter knob, 1 less phono preamp, and the endless encoder looks like a horrible way of selecting Beat FX.

It's going to have to drop to
Doreen Schurle
11.04.2013
Originally Posted by JDFS
Well, we should see about that with better knobs/buttons/faders. A friend of mine owns a DJM-800 for 5 years now, battered, shattered and overused and every knob is still intact and everything's still working. Pioneer has proven itself reliable for over a few years, whereas I've had bad, bad experiences with Reloop before...
Personally I've had the opposite experience... people are too complacent with Pioneer gear, and every single piece I've ever used has been abused so much it's either flat-out broken in some way or just plain "rickety".

Plus I don't like those weird under-sized skinny knobs the DJM series uses for half its controls; the Reloop stuff is all nice and fat. All the caps and knobs on the RMX-80 look like they've been taken from the Contour/Jockey series, which means they'll be VERY nice. If the faders themselves are anything like the rest of the range (Jockey/Terminal Mix) then they'll be ridiculously smooth and ever so slightly damped, unlike the loose and rattly DJM ones I usually find myself using. I'll report back after I've handled one in the flesh next month though

EDIT: Not sure the lack of MIDI is necessarily a problem, as they're pitching this to be used alongside their RMPs or Contours, which both offer onboard FX, looping, transport etc, so you'll be mixing externally and controlling everything other than the EQing and possibly an additional level of FX on your controllers/CDJs rather than having to rely on additional midi controls on the mixer.

I suppose it might be a bit disappointing if you're a TT guy who wants access to cuepoints and basic transport like on the Z1, but then again you can always use Novation Dicers for that. And like I said, the RMX-80's target market is really people who either use Reloop's own crossmedia players or the Contours with Traktor. In fact, you could use an RMX-80 and a SINGLE Contour IE to give yourself a full 4-deck setup.
Rolanda Clodfelder
11.04.2013
Anyway, it basically IS a DJM-800, but with better knobs/buttons/faders, dedicated effect time parameter buttons, and an aux input right on the top plate.
And no Midi

Not saying its a bad choice mind you as an upgrade from a DJM-600 for sure if its a middle of the road club or bar. just seems to be touted as something almost "groundbreaking" when its a pretty Basic 4ch mixer copying the design of an industry standard mixer thats 7 years old and been since discontinued.

*The usb hub is a nice $5 touch but would hardly call it special*

Edit: I'm sure the pioneer outlet shop will probably have 800's for sale at around the same price soon enough if you keep your eyes peeled.
Basil Forshee
11.04.2013		Well, we should see about that with better knobs/buttons/faders. A friend of mine owns a DJM-800 for 5 years now, battered, shattered and overused and every knob is still intact and everything's still working. Pioneer has proven itself reliable for over a few years, whereas I've had bad, bad experiences with Reloop before...
Doreen Schurle
11.04.2013
Originally Posted by Mike_08


For
Elmer Kindinger
11.04.2013

For
Maile Dekerlegand
11.04.2013		The Beamz laser controller includes 4 red laser beams plus 5 programmable buttons and rocker switches



http://www.gearjunkies.com/news_info.php?news_id=8187
Kellie Myrum
10.04.2013		oooh.. So you're the one. Keep them coming
Doreen Schurle
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
What's that
When I got the e-mail for that response, and couldn't see who'd replied, I was going to say "ask Stewe", but I guess that's pointless now :P
Kellie Myrum
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
pretty creative mapping
What's that
Doreen Schurle
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
I LOVE the concept. A little carry around controller with a built in soundcard to put in your laptop bag if for any reason your main setup crashes/doesn't work.
Def not a toy, it's got an all metal faceplate..
So has a tin soldier, it's still a toy lol.

Anyway, it's not the faceplate that makes this thing a toy, it's the complete lack of EQs and the tiny jogwheels. With that said, I reckon I could come up with a pretty creative mapping for use as a C+D deck controller. Also, just imagine this thing hooked up to a real mixer in external mixing mode
Dannie Dimora
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
More toys from the Numark

I LOVE the concept. A little carry around controller with a built in soundcard to put in your laptop bag if for any reason your main setup crashes/doesn't work.
Def not a toy, it's got an all metal faceplate..
Elmer Kindinger
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
http://djworx.com/exclusive-musikmes...-rmx-80-mixer/
Interesting...
Kellie Myrum
10.04.2013		More toys from the Numark

Alphonso Deitchman
10.04.2013		The RMX 80 is an 800 clone with worse IO. The 750 is an update to the 700.

Why would Pioneer make a new mixer identical to the 850?
Kellie Myrum
10.04.2013		It's simple. You need filters - get 850 and if not 750 is still great one. I found new effect engine pretty good.
Doreen Schurle
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
I don't see any filter knobs on your beloved RMX 40? Who would buy the DJM 850 if the 750 had all its features?
The RMX-40 is a 600 clone though. Check the brand new RMX-80, since it's going head-to-head with the 750.
Alphonso Deitchman
10.04.2013		I don't see any filter knobs on your beloved RMX 40? Who would buy the DJM 850 if the 750 had all its features?
Doreen Schurle
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
It's upgrade for DJM 700 tho... You won't find filter knobs there ether.
Well that's a bit ridiculous... if Reloop can put them on a mixer half the price, why can't Pioneer?
Kellie Myrum
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
One thing they sort of glossed over: they've crippled the DJM-750... no HPF/LFP per channel, so you can't adjust two channels simultaneously. Brilliant move there, morons.
It's upgrade for DJM 700 tho... You won't find filter knobs there ether.
Alphonso Deitchman
10.04.2013		That's kinda what the DJM 850 is for.
Doreen Schurle
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
...750 Pio:

One thing they sort of glossed over: they've crippled the DJM-750... no HPF/LFP per channel, so you can't adjust two channels simultaneously. Brilliant move there, morons.
Alphonso Deitchman
10.04.2013		It is a Serato controller, with a different faceplate intended for Traktor.

Completely agree that silver hard plastic pots and faders make anything look cheap and nasty.
Doreen Schurle
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
So you meant Traktor and not Serato?
No, it's a rebadged Serato controller with a Traktor mapping. Serato controllers have 3 pots and 1 encoder, for the "beats" parameter of the effect.
Kellie Myrum
10.04.2013		...750 Pio:

Kellie Myrum
10.04.2013		So you meant Traktor and not Serato?
Doreen Schurle
10.04.2013		Oh and look, Vestax once again completely missing the point:



Rebadged Serato controller with 3 pots and an encoder instead of 4 pots in the FX section, sigh.
Kellie Myrum
10.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Oh god, it STILL looks like a toy
Indeed... That caps are making it even more cheap.

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