My remix on someone else's EP - Need help So I made a remix for this kid, and it is going to be on his new EP. He is wanting to sell his EP for $10...my question is should I get a percentage of each sale? Also he is going to be selling my remix on his EP, but atm I want all of my tracks to be free. I'm really not worried about the money, I just want the chance to gain some followers. |
Meaghan Machold
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by keithace
You are talking to two older schoolers who have both totally embraced technology. What we are talking about is the deluge of shit music out there because any numbnut can pirate the software and samples. When labels would turn you down it was probably for a good reason. Knowing someone that runs a small west coast label, they listen to EVERYTHING they are sent. They are always looking for artists to support and help break out. If you release on your own, your impact will be small unless you promo the shit out of it to working DJs and get good feedback. And at that point if it that good a label will want to sign it to give it a proper release.
This is actually something i can agree with. You may not make it HUGE as an independent, but getting noticed and picked up by a label because you've consistently put out your own work is what I guess I can agree on. |
Lilliana Perris
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by Jhamilton831
Yeah I know :/ But it sounds better than, not mastered at all, believe it or not. I believe it will come with time, this is my first time trying to master a song.
mmmm, you should really not be mastering your own tracks, but I get it....you still getting there!
Well done for getting on the EP.
|
Margie Pavell
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
I believe you guys are blaming something called THE INTERNET and not realizing it. It was much harder to DJ and produce music back then, and the internet changed the world. Its pretty simple, just stop following/listening to artists that are shitty. I seriously don't understand such the negative view. No matter what genre or medium you use, there will ALWAYS be shitty artist. But now with the internet, you can find them easier.
No...there are a million times more shit artists...
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
Denying someones desire to learn and create music is do narrow minded just cause it is now easier to find tools to create music.
Who did that?
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
A violin, a timed-old classic instrument, will sound shitty if the "artist" doesn't know how to play it. Looping together 25 samples in ableton will sound shitty if the producer doesn't know what hes doing. Its pretty simple.
No shit...
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
Writers/publishers say the same shit about bloggers. Directors say the same shit about YouTube... These old heads are all losing money because people they are NO LONGER NEEDED as much as they used to be. A&Rs and publicists used to be the gate keepers of media. Fuck that. blame the internet.
hate to tell you...they still are the gatekeepers...(example: EDM and radio play)
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
Its crazy the mentality musicians have. Music is such a PERSONAL thing to people... but they don't know how to separate personal taste from something that sounds good. People hate on independent artist releasing their own music and it sounding like shit, but then they hate on producers with good sound that make it big because they've 'gone pop'. Artists just like to complain when THEIR view is not the one being portrayed.
Now you are putting words in our mouths...
You are talking to two older schoolers who have both totally embraced technology. What we are talking about is the deluge of shit music out there because any numbnut can pirate the software and samples. When labels would turn you down it was probably for a good reason. Knowing someone that runs a small west coast label, they listen to EVERYTHING they are sent. They are always looking for artists to support and help break out. If you release on your own, your impact will be small unless you promo the shit out of it to working DJs and get good feedback. And at that point if it that good a label will want to sign it to give it a proper release. |
Jetta Drenzek
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
A violin, a timed-old classic instrument, will sound shitty if the "artist" doesn't know how to play it. Looping together 25 samples in ableton will sound shitty if the producer doesn't know what hes doing. Its pretty simple.
100%, indisputable fact. Good music will always be good music, and no over saturation of the market will change that. Some albums are absolute masterpieces of sound, and you can imitate them after, and someone before might have even done the same thing, but neither will compare to that one masterpiece. |
Meaghan Machold
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
And you completely have missed the point of what I said, and at the same time have helped to reiterate what I am saying. There is too many kids making shit music just because they stole ableton off some download site and grabbed a few loop packs. It doesn't have anything to do with progress, it has to do with over saturation of garbage and/or poor music not yet up to proper standards. I am all for innovation and using new methods to do things differently. I am a producer and DJ who is legally blind and without the advancement of todays technologies I would not have been able to retrai myself to dj or produce when my eye sight began to diminish. When you had real A&R's running and approving the music that was being distributed only stuff that was of real quality made it through.
Music evolves for good producers, but the quality of a lot of the music out there is digressing because of the standars in which these back pocket record labels use to release stuff.
I believe you guys are blaming something called THE INTERNET and not realizing it. It was much harder to DJ and produce music back then, and the internet changed the world. Its pretty simple, just stop following/listening to artists that are shitty. I seriously don't understand such the negative view. No matter what genre or medium you use, there will ALWAYS be shitty artist. But now with the internet, you can find them easier.
Denying someones desire to learn and create music is do narrow minded just cause it is now easier to find tools to create music.
A violin, a timed-old classic instrument, will sound shitty if the "artist" doesn't know how to play it. Looping together 25 samples in ableton will sound shitty if the producer doesn't know what hes doing. Its pretty simple.
Writers/publishers say the same shit about bloggers. Directors say the same shit about YouTube... These old heads are all losing money because people they are NO LONGER NEEDED as much as they used to be. A&Rs and publicists used to be the gate keepers of media. Fuck that. blame the internet.
Its crazy the mentality musicians have. Music is such a PERSONAL thing to people... but they don't know how to separate personal taste from something that sounds good. People hate on independent artist releasing their own music and it sounding like shit, but then they hate on producers with good sound that make it big because they've 'gone pop'. Artists just like to complain when THEIR view is not the one being portrayed. |
Efrain Scharr
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
there used to be a time when [insert nostalgic memory here]...
yea, i get it. there used to be a time for everything. There used to be a time when we read by candle light... but times change. id rather progress and make my own moves than sit and wait back and shop out my mix or production to some label who won't bother cause theyre flooded by tons of other DJs trying to get picked up. fk that.
it doesnt matter how saturated the market is.. the cream rises to the top in everything.
And you completely have missed the point of what I said, and at the same time have helped to reiterate what I am saying. There is too many kids making shit music just because they stole ableton off some download site and grabbed a few loop packs. It doesn't have anything to do with progress, it has to do with over saturation of garbage and/or poor music not yet up to proper standards. I am all for innovation and using new methods to do things differently. I am a producer and DJ who is legally blind and without the advancement of todays technologies I would not have been able to retrai myself to dj or produce when my eye sight began to diminish. When you had real A&R's running and approving the music that was being distributed only stuff that was of real quality made it through.
Music evolves for good producers, but the quality of a lot of the music out there is digressing because of the standars in which these back pocket record labels use to release stuff. |
Meaghan Machold
14.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by keithace
name me some...without googling it...
theres no point in even going back and forth with u cuz ur dead set on ur opinion, so even if i offer any artists you'll assume that theyre either A- shit, B- i googled them, C- shit. So its pointless. |
Meaghan Machold
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by keithace
You are talking to two older schoolers who have both totally embraced technology. What we are talking about is the deluge of shit music out there because any numbnut can pirate the software and samples. When labels would turn you down it was probably for a good reason. Knowing someone that runs a small west coast label, they listen to EVERYTHING they are sent. They are always looking for artists to support and help break out. If you release on your own, your impact will be small unless you promo the shit out of it to working DJs and get good feedback. And at that point if it that good a label will want to sign it to give it a proper release.
This is actually something i can agree with. You may not make it HUGE as an independent, but getting noticed and picked up by a label because you've consistently put out your own work is what I guess I can agree on. |
Leeanna Ayla
16.04.2013 | The problem is not that there's so much shitty music, it's that there's so much mediocre music. Nearly anybody can make a track that sounds okay with just a little practice. Combine that with the ADD tendencies of society in general and we find ourselves in this predicament. Most people don't have the patience to go through the flood of these mediocre tracks to find the ones that are really good. Because of that we end up with a flood of mediocre DJ sets and it all just perpetuates itself. |
Zana Chevallier
16.04.2013 | Yeah I am not mastering my tracks anymore lol. Next time I am definitely paying someone to do it, until I get the right gear
or work in a studio. |
Lilliana Perris
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by Jhamilton831
Yeah I know :/ But it sounds better than, not mastered at all, believe it or not. I believe it will come with time, this is my first time trying to master a song.
mmmm, you should really not be mastering your own tracks, but I get it....you still getting there!
Well done for getting on the EP.
|
Margie Pavell
15.04.2013 | Good for you man....keep working hard... |
Zana Chevallier
15.04.2013 | Just an update...I got $20 for my track. I didn't sell all rights to it, just the right to sell it while still getting all credit. Considering the fact that it is my third song and my first time getting money from making music, I believe that it is pretty good. Thanks for everyone's input. |
Margie Pavell
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
I believe you guys are blaming something called THE INTERNET and not realizing it. It was much harder to DJ and produce music back then, and the internet changed the world. Its pretty simple, just stop following/listening to artists that are shitty. I seriously don't understand such the negative view. No matter what genre or medium you use, there will ALWAYS be shitty artist. But now with the internet, you can find them easier.
No...there are a million times more shit artists...
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
Denying someones desire to learn and create music is do narrow minded just cause it is now easier to find tools to create music.
Who did that?
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
A violin, a timed-old classic instrument, will sound shitty if the "artist" doesn't know how to play it. Looping together 25 samples in ableton will sound shitty if the producer doesn't know what hes doing. Its pretty simple.
No shit...
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
Writers/publishers say the same shit about bloggers. Directors say the same shit about YouTube... These old heads are all losing money because people they are NO LONGER NEEDED as much as they used to be. A&Rs and publicists used to be the gate keepers of media. Fuck that. blame the internet.
hate to tell you...they still are the gatekeepers...(example: EDM and radio play)
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
Its crazy the mentality musicians have. Music is such a PERSONAL thing to people... but they don't know how to separate personal taste from something that sounds good. People hate on independent artist releasing their own music and it sounding like shit, but then they hate on producers with good sound that make it big because they've 'gone pop'. Artists just like to complain when THEIR view is not the one being portrayed.
Now you are putting words in our mouths...
You are talking to two older schoolers who have both totally embraced technology. What we are talking about is the deluge of shit music out there because any numbnut can pirate the software and samples. When labels would turn you down it was probably for a good reason. Knowing someone that runs a small west coast label, they listen to EVERYTHING they are sent. They are always looking for artists to support and help break out. If you release on your own, your impact will be small unless you promo the shit out of it to working DJs and get good feedback. And at that point if it that good a label will want to sign it to give it a proper release. |
Jetta Drenzek
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
A violin, a timed-old classic instrument, will sound shitty if the "artist" doesn't know how to play it. Looping together 25 samples in ableton will sound shitty if the producer doesn't know what hes doing. Its pretty simple.
100%, indisputable fact. Good music will always be good music, and no over saturation of the market will change that. Some albums are absolute masterpieces of sound, and you can imitate them after, and someone before might have even done the same thing, but neither will compare to that one masterpiece. |
Meaghan Machold
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
And you completely have missed the point of what I said, and at the same time have helped to reiterate what I am saying. There is too many kids making shit music just because they stole ableton off some download site and grabbed a few loop packs. It doesn't have anything to do with progress, it has to do with over saturation of garbage and/or poor music not yet up to proper standards. I am all for innovation and using new methods to do things differently. I am a producer and DJ who is legally blind and without the advancement of todays technologies I would not have been able to retrai myself to dj or produce when my eye sight began to diminish. When you had real A&R's running and approving the music that was being distributed only stuff that was of real quality made it through.
Music evolves for good producers, but the quality of a lot of the music out there is digressing because of the standars in which these back pocket record labels use to release stuff.
I believe you guys are blaming something called THE INTERNET and not realizing it. It was much harder to DJ and produce music back then, and the internet changed the world. Its pretty simple, just stop following/listening to artists that are shitty. I seriously don't understand such the negative view. No matter what genre or medium you use, there will ALWAYS be shitty artist. But now with the internet, you can find them easier.
Denying someones desire to learn and create music is do narrow minded just cause it is now easier to find tools to create music.
A violin, a timed-old classic instrument, will sound shitty if the "artist" doesn't know how to play it. Looping together 25 samples in ableton will sound shitty if the producer doesn't know what hes doing. Its pretty simple.
Writers/publishers say the same shit about bloggers. Directors say the same shit about YouTube... These old heads are all losing money because people they are NO LONGER NEEDED as much as they used to be. A&Rs and publicists used to be the gate keepers of media. Fuck that. blame the internet.
Its crazy the mentality musicians have. Music is such a PERSONAL thing to people... but they don't know how to separate personal taste from something that sounds good. People hate on independent artist releasing their own music and it sounding like shit, but then they hate on producers with good sound that make it big because they've 'gone pop'. Artists just like to complain when THEIR view is not the one being portrayed. |
Efrain Scharr
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
there used to be a time when [insert nostalgic memory here]...
yea, i get it. there used to be a time for everything. There used to be a time when we read by candle light... but times change. id rather progress and make my own moves than sit and wait back and shop out my mix or production to some label who won't bother cause theyre flooded by tons of other DJs trying to get picked up. fk that.
it doesnt matter how saturated the market is.. the cream rises to the top in everything.
And you completely have missed the point of what I said, and at the same time have helped to reiterate what I am saying. There is too many kids making shit music just because they stole ableton off some download site and grabbed a few loop packs. It doesn't have anything to do with progress, it has to do with over saturation of garbage and/or poor music not yet up to proper standards. I am all for innovation and using new methods to do things differently. I am a producer and DJ who is legally blind and without the advancement of todays technologies I would not have been able to retrai myself to dj or produce when my eye sight began to diminish. When you had real A&R's running and approving the music that was being distributed only stuff that was of real quality made it through.
Music evolves for good producers, but the quality of a lot of the music out there is digressing because of the standars in which these back pocket record labels use to release stuff. |
Margie Pavell
14.04.2013 | I would have given props to successful artists even if I don't buy or listen to their music. Go ahead and google it and tell me what you come up with... |
Meaghan Machold
14.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by keithace
name me some...without googling it...
theres no point in even going back and forth with u cuz ur dead set on ur opinion, so even if i offer any artists you'll assume that theyre either A- shit, B- i googled them, C- shit. So its pointless. |
Margie Pavell
14.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
There are TONS of people who release music on their own and become successful.
name me some...without googling it... |
Meaghan Machold
14.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by keithace
it has nothing to do with nostalgia and an old way of believeing...
Just because you can release it on your own doesn't mean you should. You can drive a car with your feet, but that doesn't mean you should.
Thats a terrible fkin analogy. Not many people drive their car with their feet (except for the exceptions...) There are TONS of people who release music on their own and become successful. So your point is not taken. |
Zana Chevallier
14.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by Sambo
Learn to master your tracks properly. Sorry man, but that is just not good. The drums are the biggest issue, you really need to give them some whoomph/feel, they're just too robotic.
Yeah I know :/ But it sounds better than, not mastered at all, believe it or not. I believe it will come with time, this is my first time trying to master a song. |
Jetta Drenzek
14.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by Jhamilton831
Learn to master your tracks properly. Sorry man, but that is just not good. The drums are the biggest issue, you really need to give them some whoomph/feel, they're just too robotic. |
Zana Chevallier
14.04.2013 | For all curious what this song sounded like, here it is. My third song ever...feel free to leave feedback.
https://soundcloud.com/jhamilton831/...s-science-john |
Margie Pavell
13.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
there used to be a time when [insert nostalgic memory here]...
yea, i get it. there used to be a time for everything. There used to be a time when we read by candle light... but times change. id rather progress and make my own moves than sit and wait back and shop out my mix or production to some label who won't bother cause theyre flooded by tons of other DJs trying to get picked up. fk that.
it doesnt matter how saturated the market is.. the cream rises to the top in everything.
it has nothing to do with nostalgia and an old way of believeing...
Just because you can release it on your own doesn't mean you should. You can drive a car with your feet, but that doesn't mean you should. |
Dedra Kreinbring
13.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
the cream rises to the top in everything.
As does scum... sorry, I am bored and actually agree with you. |
Meaghan Machold
13.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Aside from his "Good luck with that" statement he is pretty much right about the way he is believeing. One of the major problems in the US is no-name hacks coming along and saturating the market with shitty productions and subpar DJing. There used to be a time when you had to really work your ass off in the studio and shop your tracks like crazy to the proper labels, and sometimes it would take years for people to be heard and get a track released. Now everyone and their homies have a label and they will just release about anything.
there used to be a time when [insert nostalgic memory here]...
yea, i get it. there used to be a time for everything. There used to be a time when we read by candle light... but times change. id rather progress and make my own moves than sit and wait back and shop out my mix or production to some label who won't bother cause theyre flooded by tons of other DJs trying to get picked up. fk that.
it doesnt matter how saturated the market is.. the cream rises to the top in everything. |
Dedra Kreinbring
13.04.2013 | If the followers are what you are looking for, just get him to do a little contract saying that you will be credited on the EP and on all promotion for the EP. It is all about what it is worth to you. If it was me, $75 isn't cool, but people listening to your remix and remembering your name is cool (I have a feeling that was far too close to a speech by JT in the social network, my bad). |
Jetta Drenzek
13.04.2013 | Wait till he makes a load of money off it then take a baseball bat to his knees until he gives you your share, and then his share for being a scrounging ass hole. (That is if he did ask for your mix without telling you he was going to be profiting from it) |
Rodger Seferovic
13.04.2013 | I'm curious how this track sounds like. Is it hip hop? |
Margie Pavell
13.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Aside from his "Good luck with that" statement he is pretty much right about the way he is believeing. One of the major problems in the US is no-name hacks coming along and saturating the market with shitty productions and subpar DJing. There used to be a time when you had to really work your ass off in the studio and shop your tracks like crazy to the proper labels, and sometimes it would take years for people to be heard and get a track released. Now everyone and their homies have a label and they will just release about anything.
As a long timer in the DJ scene, that worked hard, threw his own parites, did his own flyers, and actually paid for his music...
AMEN!!! |
Efrain Scharr
13.04.2013 | Aside from his "Good luck with that" statement he is pretty much right about the way he is believeing. One of the major problems in the US is no-name hacks coming along and saturating the market with shitty productions and subpar DJing. There used to be a time when you had to really work your ass off in the studio and shop your tracks like crazy to the proper labels, and sometimes it would take years for people to be heard and get a track released. Now everyone and their homies have a label and they will just release about anything. |
Meaghan Machold
12.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by balakoth
Good luck with that
Holy smokes people. Another negative statement from thy-unholy balakoth. I'm starting to feel bad for him. He's def mad at something in life. I wonder if his gf left him for a better DJ or somethin. A DJ that knows how to scratch. |
Zana Chevallier
11.04.2013 | I like djmetalgear's way of dealing with it...It is decided! Thanks for all of the input |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
11.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
thats fine. my logic doesnt have to apply for everyone. im 24 with a full time job n no kids. the money will come later AFTER i get exposed/blow up. im not after the 75$ for a remix. id rather get huge and then make my own price. to each their own tho.
Good luck with that |
Efrain Scharr
11.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by Jhamilton831
I am an amatuer producer and I'm not sure what I was doing. I was excited because this kid wanted a remix from me. And just for the record, he doesn't have my track yet
If he doesn't have your track yet then there is nothing to even believe about here. Either get paid or get a contract. If you don't get paid up front you can be pretty certain that this guy is not going to pay you. |
Meaghan Machold
11.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by Jhamilton831
Well it's not like it is going to be some major release, this kid is not a well known artist whether it be in our local community or on Soundcloud, Youtube, etc. I don't see much money coming from this EP. I am really only doing it for the potential followers, I have few bills to pay and no kids, so the money is not the problem. It is just the principle. He is going to be selling an ep with MY remix on it, so I do believe that I deserve compensation for my work.
but u gave him the mix... u shoulda thot bout that before hand. just tell him straight up "listen, i didnt know u were gonna sell this. if u are, lets work out a payment deal. if not, then dont release it". pretty simple/standard |
Zana Chevallier
11.04.2013 | Well it's not like it is going to be some major release, this kid is not a well known artist whether it be in our local community or on Soundcloud, Youtube, etc. I don't see much money coming from this EP. I am really only doing it for the potential followers, I have few bills to pay and no kids, so the money is not the problem. It is just the principle. He is going to be selling an ep with MY remix on it, so I do believe that I deserve compensation for my work. |
Meaghan Machold
11.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by balakoth
I cant fully agree with this. For some of us this is a career.. whether it be the start of it or not. If its good enough to be released you deserve compensation for your work.. Period.
I dont work for Charity, I work to pay my bills and feed my kids :P
thats fine. my logic doesnt have to apply for everyone. im 24 with a full time job n no kids. the money will come later AFTER i get exposed/blow up. im not after the 75$ for a remix. id rather get huge and then make my own price. to each their own tho. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
11.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by djmetalgear
if i were u, i wouldn't ask for any royalties. thats just me. it depends who approached who. I make remixes for some of my fav local artists out of sheer respect/enjoyment of their work. if they include it in an EP, id be stoked. and if it gets huge, then even better... but im in no point in my career where Id ask someone for $$ unless THEY came to me for a remix. even then, you gotta look at the platform of the artist. if hes huge, id prolly consider it an honor for him or her to ask me to remix one of their tracks.
I cant fully agree with this. For some of us this is a career.. whether it be the start of it or not. If its good enough to be released you deserve compensation for your work.. Period.
I dont work for Charity, I work to pay my bills and feed my kids :P |
