Push + Maschine 2.0 + APC40 Hey fellow DJTT goers.
I am currently looking for a way to sue my 20% off code and have been believeing about upgrading my studio controllers. Some basic information about me is that I make Techno, Minimal, House, Electro House, etc and I do all of it in Ableton.
I like the Push because it is much more logically laid out for someone who doesn't play piano and it has step sequence and other such things.
I love the Maschine for drumming and also the Maschine software. I have seen some lovely things accomplished and it is another way to get more live expression and swing. I also love the bigger pads.
Lastly, I like the APC40 (I wouldn't purchase this from DJTT) for the channel faders and the amazing Macro banks that the Push lacks. This + Push also give me ability to control and instrument on the Push and launch clips with the APC40. I can also remap this to damn near any software I want.
These are my thoughts. Does anyone here have any further ideas?
Cheers. |
Wilton Keuning
17.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by rdej47
I can't wait for a Maschine 2.0 I'm hoping for some incredible features (I'd kill for kontakts time stretch pro algorithm to be built into maschines sampler)
Oops. I meant Maschine MKII. My bad. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
17.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by diezdiazgiant
its the simple little things that add up.
maschine for now has a better browser, and can wrap vst presets so they can be browsed and loaded entirely from the controller. the only thing i do instrument wise in ableton is experimental drum rack shit that i control with my mpc.
i am excited though by the prospect that this is the mark of a tide change for midi controllers. sure maschines competitors are comparitively young and underdeveloped but both push and renaissance have some nice hardware once they PUSH out the kinks... yeah a bad pun...
You can do the same thing you just explained in ableton that deals with their plugins, your presets, effect racks, etc etc etc. With the Maschine you really only have control over their own products (NI vsts).
Now that I have pretty much said good bye to Soft Synths, the very last whos going bye bye now is Massive (I have just purchased a Moog Voyager). Now the only useful aspect of the maschine is the performance part.
I believe the maschine is great if you are a native instruments VST owner above and beyond, or intend to use it soley for live performance or you enjoy the complete ITB production solution |
Ervin Calvery
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by diezdiazgiant
its the simple little things that add up.
maschine for now has a better browser, and can wrap vst presets so they can be browsed and loaded entirely from the controller. the only thing i do instrument wise in ableton is experimental drum rack shit that i control with my mpc.
i am excited though by the prospect that this is the mark of a tide change for midi controllers. sure maschines competitors are comparitively young and underdeveloped but both push and renaissance have some nice hardware once they PUSH out the kinks... yeah a bad pun...
I'm just curious, are you using an older MPC or a Rennaisance or one of the other controllers? |
Rebbecca Fennell
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by botstein
Yep - putting the encoders above the screen (on the Push) is questionable at best.
its the simple little things that add up.
maschine for now has a better browser, and can wrap vst presets so they can be browsed and loaded entirely from the controller. the only thing i do instrument wise in ableton is experimental drum rack shit that i control with my mpc.
i am excited though by the prospect that this is the mark of a tide change for midi controllers. sure maschines competitors are comparitively young and underdeveloped but both push and renaissance have some nice hardware once they PUSH out the kinks... yeah a bad pun... |
Ervin Calvery
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by diezdiazgiant
I have maschine and an apc40 which is great, thought about push too but have no interest in it the more I believe about it. The price it is pretty steep just for a harmonic table keyboard, instead I'll probably get a c-thru axis or stick to using programs on my MPC for scales.
The more I look at push the more I disinterested I become; between that, arturias spark and akais renaissance no one has yet bested maschine in ergonomics. Native instruments has just had more time and experience with the concept thru development of kore
Yep - putting the encoders above the screen (on the Push) is questionable at best. |
Wilton Keuning
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by botstein
Driving with Maschine and a laptop on the dash seems extraordinarily dangerous...
Hah. Well played.
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
Whaaaat. for 20% off definitely pick up the Push! Everyone's charging like 800+ for one >.>
If you're a previous DJTT customer, they should have sent you a 20% coupon. |
Ervin Calvery
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by BiggChev
The key here is workflow, and being able to get ideas out of your head into your DAW then into your car and see if it really passes the test.
Driving with Maschine and a laptop on the dash seems extraordinarily dangerous... |
Wilton Keuning
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by BiggChev
The key here is workflow, and being able to get ideas out of your head into your DAW then into your car and see if it really passes the test.
I have a couple friends that are total whiz's with keyboard short-cuts and mousing/clicking their way through the DAW. Whatever works for you.
BUT if you do grab the Push, please let us know your thoughts about it. Likes dislikes what not
I already do product reviews and unboxings so I sure will! I'll probably pick up the Maschine and Push off this 20% off coupon and do a video for both! |
Wilton Keuning
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by botstein
The SLmkii is great, though - I love mine.
I looked at that bad boy for quite a while too. As soon as I saw the press conference for Push though, I ALMOST shat myself. |
Wilton Keuning
17.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by rdej47
I can't wait for a Maschine 2.0 I'm hoping for some incredible features (I'd kill for kontakts time stretch pro algorithm to be built into maschines sampler)
Oops. I meant Maschine MKII. My bad. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
17.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by diezdiazgiant
its the simple little things that add up.
maschine for now has a better browser, and can wrap vst presets so they can be browsed and loaded entirely from the controller. the only thing i do instrument wise in ableton is experimental drum rack shit that i control with my mpc.
i am excited though by the prospect that this is the mark of a tide change for midi controllers. sure maschines competitors are comparitively young and underdeveloped but both push and renaissance have some nice hardware once they PUSH out the kinks... yeah a bad pun...
You can do the same thing you just explained in ableton that deals with their plugins, your presets, effect racks, etc etc etc. With the Maschine you really only have control over their own products (NI vsts).
Now that I have pretty much said good bye to Soft Synths, the very last whos going bye bye now is Massive (I have just purchased a Moog Voyager). Now the only useful aspect of the maschine is the performance part.
I believe the maschine is great if you are a native instruments VST owner above and beyond, or intend to use it soley for live performance or you enjoy the complete ITB production solution |
Johnsie Kingrea
17.04.2013 | I can't wait for a Maschine 2.0 I'm hoping for some incredible features (I'd kill for kontakts time stretch pro algorithm to be built into maschines sampler) |
Ervin Calvery
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by diezdiazgiant
its the simple little things that add up.
maschine for now has a better browser, and can wrap vst presets so they can be browsed and loaded entirely from the controller. the only thing i do instrument wise in ableton is experimental drum rack shit that i control with my mpc.
i am excited though by the prospect that this is the mark of a tide change for midi controllers. sure maschines competitors are comparitively young and underdeveloped but both push and renaissance have some nice hardware once they PUSH out the kinks... yeah a bad pun...
I'm just curious, are you using an older MPC or a Rennaisance or one of the other controllers? |
Rebbecca Fennell
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by botstein
Yep - putting the encoders above the screen (on the Push) is questionable at best.
its the simple little things that add up.
maschine for now has a better browser, and can wrap vst presets so they can be browsed and loaded entirely from the controller. the only thing i do instrument wise in ableton is experimental drum rack shit that i control with my mpc.
i am excited though by the prospect that this is the mark of a tide change for midi controllers. sure maschines competitors are comparitively young and underdeveloped but both push and renaissance have some nice hardware once they PUSH out the kinks... yeah a bad pun... |
Nedra Fresneda
16.04.2013 | Makes sense if you are sitting down |
Ervin Calvery
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by diezdiazgiant
I have maschine and an apc40 which is great, thought about push too but have no interest in it the more I believe about it. The price it is pretty steep just for a harmonic table keyboard, instead I'll probably get a c-thru axis or stick to using programs on my MPC for scales.
The more I look at push the more I disinterested I become; between that, arturias spark and akais renaissance no one has yet bested maschine in ergonomics. Native instruments has just had more time and experience with the concept thru development of kore
Yep - putting the encoders above the screen (on the Push) is questionable at best. |
Rebbecca Fennell
16.04.2013 | I have maschine and an apc40 which is great, thought about push too but have no interest in it the more I believe about it. The price it is pretty steep just for a harmonic table keyboard, instead I'll probably get a c-thru axis or stick to using programs on my MPC for scales.
The more I look at push the more I disinterested I become; between that, arturias spark and akais renaissance no one has yet bested maschine in ergonomics. Native instruments has just had more time and experience with the concept thru development of kore |
Wilton Keuning
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by botstein
Driving with Maschine and a laptop on the dash seems extraordinarily dangerous...
Hah. Well played.
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
Whaaaat. for 20% off definitely pick up the Push! Everyone's charging like 800+ for one >.>
If you're a previous DJTT customer, they should have sent you a 20% coupon. |
Gaynell Rydberg
16.04.2013 | Whaaaat. for 20% off definitely pick up the Push! Everyone's charging like 800+ for one >.> |
Ervin Calvery
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by BiggChev
The key here is workflow, and being able to get ideas out of your head into your DAW then into your car and see if it really passes the test.
Driving with Maschine and a laptop on the dash seems extraordinarily dangerous... |
Wilton Keuning
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by BiggChev
The key here is workflow, and being able to get ideas out of your head into your DAW then into your car and see if it really passes the test.
I have a couple friends that are total whiz's with keyboard short-cuts and mousing/clicking their way through the DAW. Whatever works for you.
BUT if you do grab the Push, please let us know your thoughts about it. Likes dislikes what not
I already do product reviews and unboxings so I sure will! I'll probably pick up the Maschine and Push off this 20% off coupon and do a video for both! |
Sydney Lashway
16.04.2013 | The key here is workflow, and being able to get ideas out of your head into your DAW then into your car and see if it really passes the test.
I have a couple friends that are total whiz's with keyboard short-cuts and mousing/clicking their way through the DAW. Whatever works for you.
BUT if you do grab the Push, please let us know your thoughts about it. Likes dislikes what not |
Wilton Keuning
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by botstein
The SLmkii is great, though - I love mine.
I looked at that bad boy for quite a while too. As soon as I saw the press conference for Push though, I ALMOST shat myself. |
Ervin Calvery
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
Yea, even with my years of piano experience, I'm too lazy to relearn keys an all the different scales :P Which I why I want a Push.
Plus the control over Ableton is just insane.
I just managed to pick up an SL MK2 61 key for 200 bucks though, way below market value.
The SLmkii is great, though - I love mine. |
Gaynell Rydberg
16.04.2013 | Yea, even with my years of piano experience, I'm too lazy to relearn keys an all the different scales :P Which I why I want a Push.
Plus the control over Ableton is just insane.
I just managed to pick up an SL MK2 61 key for 200 bucks though, way below market value. |
Wilton Keuning
16.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by BiggChev
If your cool with the way the "keys" are laid out on the Push great.
Having a background playing piano, a key control is essential for getting my melodic parts out. I find when mashing out melodic stuff on the Maschine, I still have to stop and believe about what I'm doing. It's hard to undo 20 years of piano playing lol
That's totally fair enough! If I have 20 years piano I'd probably keep with my Novation Impulse 49!
However, as I have literally ZERO piano knowledge, the Push seems like a very logical move for a man like myself. |
Sydney Lashway
16.04.2013 | If your cool with the way the "keys" are laid out on the Push great.
Having a background playing piano, a key control is essential for getting my melodic parts out. I find when mashing out melodic stuff on the Maschine, I still have to stop and believe about what I'm doing. It's hard to undo 20 years of piano playing lol |
Wilton Keuning
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
I was considering doing that as well. I made a thread a while back. The general consensus was that it doesn't really replace the keyboard. If you don't want to learn the keyboard, the Push is an excellent controller. I've played piano, guitar, and french horn, but I believe the convenience to bounce between scales on the Push is just amazing, but I only have money for a keyboard.
I have no desire to learn keyboard. Granted, the lady in my life teaches piano, but regardless. If the Push is geared towards modern electronic producers that is the bracket I fit in.
Originally Posted by balakoth
Nor are their sidekicks that I have. But they are a godsend to how i like to work.. knobs, faders, etc etc Why I stick with alot of analog gear etc. Just something I enjoy I guess
Holy hell. Those are.. wow. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
Nor are their sidekicks that I have. But they are a godsend to how i like to work.. knobs, faders, etc etc Why I stick with alot of analog gear etc. Just something I enjoy I guess |
Gaynell Rydberg
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by ProfessorStrangeman
Well the push more or less will be my... *counts* 64 key keyboard.
I was considering doing that as well. I made a thread a while back. The general consensus was that it doesn't really replace the keyboard. If you don't want to learn the keyboard, the Push is an excellent controller. I've played piano, guitar, and french horn, but I believe the convenience to bounce between scales on the Push is just amazing, but I only have money for a keyboard. |
Wilton Keuning
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by BiggChev
haven't used the Push, and I really didn't care for Ableton either (30 day trial)
Maschine on the other hand, I swear by. Maschine plus a 25 or 49 key controller is phenomenal. the pads are great, and the sampling, scene by scene arrangement.
Those two plus a DAW like Logic, Cubase or Pro-Tools and you've got yourself a pretty nice little setup.
Well the push more or less will be my... *counts* 64 key keyboard. |
Ervin Calvery
15.04.2013 | "The Million Dollar Mouse" |
Gaynell Rydberg
15.04.2013 | That Avid Artist Controller is not cheap...
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MCcontrol2 |
Sydney Lashway
15.04.2013 | haven't used the Push, and I really didn't care for Ableton either (30 day trial)
Maschine on the other hand, I swear by. Maschine plus a 25 or 49 key controller is phenomenal. the pads are great, and the sampling, scene by scene arrangement.
Those two plus a DAW like Logic, Cubase or Pro-Tools and you've got yourself a pretty nice little setup. |
Wilton Keuning
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by balakoth
With my Push, Maschine and Avid Artist Controllers, I almost literally have a mouse free work environment. Not 100 percent but it sure is better than what I was doing years ago
What is an Avid Artist Controller? I haven't heard of those. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by ProfessorStrangeman
I'll for sure order both then! I am fine with waiting, as I said I am currently in the midst of upgrading my studio. My current controller will be more than sufficient till I can get a Push in.
EDIT: My current controller is a "Novation Impulse 49". A great piece, but I don't know how to play piano and only has 8 pads.
With my Push, Maschine and Avid Artist Controllers, I almost literally have a mouse free work environment. Not 100 percent but it sure is better than what I was doing years ago |
Wilton Keuning
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by rdej47
I currently have both and I can honestly say that I couldn't live without either. However if you really have to pick one go with Maschine. As stated earlier you get a lot of functionality from NI's Ableton Template, and I do believe it's only a matter of time before NI adds in things like a scale mode for Maschine.
Down the road though i'd highly recommend picking up Push. Using the two together is bad ass, Maschine definitely has some workflow things nailed that Push doesn't and vice versa. Don't get into the black and white mindset, it's entirely possible to own botha and not burn in hell for doing so haha.
Also worth noting is that Push is hard to come by right now (bad foresight on Ableton's part) so a Maschine MK2 will be readily available anywhere you go.
I'll for sure order both then! I am fine with waiting, as I said I am currently in the midst of upgrading my studio. My current controller will be more than sufficient till I can get a Push in.
EDIT: My current controller is a "Novation Impulse 49". A great piece, but I don't know how to play piano and only has 8 pads. |
Johnsie Kingrea
16.04.2013 | I currently have both and I can honestly say that I couldn't live without either. However if you really have to pick one go with Maschine. As stated earlier you get a lot of functionality from NI's Ableton Template, and I do believe it's only a matter of time before NI adds in things like a scale mode for Maschine.
Down the road though i'd highly recommend picking up Push. Using the two together is bad ass, Maschine definitely has some workflow things nailed that Push doesn't and vice versa. Don't get into the black and white mindset, it's entirely possible to own botha and not burn in hell for doing so haha.
Also worth noting is that Push is hard to come by right now (bad foresight on Ableton's part) so a Maschine MK2 will be readily available anywhere you go. |
Wilton Keuning
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by balakoth
Sure it has a step sequencer, inside of the maschine vst. not exactly the same thing as what the push does....
Plus I much prefer the pushes style of scales on pads. To each their own
My thoughts exactly. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
15.04.2013 |
Originally Posted by botstein
Maschine can step sequence in as many steps as you'd like - it just switches between pages of sixteen steps.
Yes, the Live script for Maschine has had coloured scales for a while.
Sure it has a step sequencer, inside of the maschine vst. not exactly the same thing as what the push does....
Plus I much prefer the pushes style of scales on pads. To each their own |
