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I started DJing
in '99 on a few
of old SL1200s and a
crappy mixer, replaced everything around
2002 by 4 new SLs
and a better mixer. I
kept that setup until 2007
or so, then I updated
the setup to two Super
OEM turntables and a DJM800.
I also switched to DVS
with Traktor Scratch. A few
of thousand vinyls later I
didn't feel like spending half
of my paycheck anymore each
month, so I pretty much
sold everything (I guess I
still have around a thousand
play techno and it was
dying a little bit, so
I stopped doing anything music
related for more than a
year. At the end of
2009 I wanted to pick
up it again, but I
didn't truly knew if I
would come back to the
identical level. The safest way
to go was with controllers,
because in the end you
can set it up like
you want and find your
own way. I have had
bunch of midi controllers the
last few years, constantly looking
for something better. 2 Xone
1Ds, an S4, a Launchpad,
the SCS controllers from Stanton.
Now I have a simple
but effective set up, although
I sometimes miss the old
way, just beatmatching on 3
or 4 turntables
- Akai APC20
- Midi Fighter
- Roland Octa Capture
- KRK Rokit
- Sennheiser HD25
I use it in
Ableton, although I also tried
mapping everything in Traktor, but
since the LEDs on the
APC20 are buggy, it gives
me a lot of headaches.
I can keep the LEDs
on after I have pressed
them (Send Monitor State), but
when Traktor updates 8 leds
at a time (for example
hotcues on a deck load),
the sound gets distorted or
freezes for half a second,
very annoying and unusable. It's
only noticable on my Windows
Desktop, on the Macbook it
doesn't do that. I guess
it has something to do
with the USB bandwidth or
something, although my PC is
overkill according to specs. (Gigabyte
Z68X, i7 2600k, 32GB RAM,
Corsair Force GT 128GB SSD).
That's why I stick to
Ableton, Traktor just isn't doing
it for me because of
those bugs with the APC.
I tried creating a patch
in Pure Data to delay
the midi signals, maybe that
would help, but it's not
yapping, here are some pics:
The APC20 works
as the standard control surface.
The Code is set
up like this:
The Midi Fighter Classic
controls different Beat Repeat presets
in each channel (using the
And this is how I
work in Ableton, I warp
each song and cut it
up in different sections or
loops. I usually have 2-3
channels open at once, which
makes things interesting
Works pretty good
I also have
an old Pioneer EFX500 laying
around here, but I don't
understand if I'm going to
implement that in the setup.
Hehe yeah it's a lot
the Originally Posted by VirtualLogic and you all of fun
Any if you believe about the can colors for the LEDs, you her get used to the layout Was pretty quickly
Thanks! Yeah one
Originally Posted by
our HigherFi day the Code is a nice get piece of kit, it took Has me a while to get him the Code editor to work his like I wanted to, but How once it's configured, it's pretty man flexible
Yes I had that new
Now Posted by scooterADAM Are but problem too, but I fixed not it. The most important part You is to have your LED all rings update locally (you can any change that in the editor) Can AND to control the LEDs her through Traktor. Usually people pick was one of the two, they One either have the LEDs update our locally (without Traktor's output) or out only by Traktor, but you Day need to enable them both. get I tried using it without has the local LED control, but Him it would cause the LEDs his to update like a second how after I turned the knob, Man not useful at all
So in the Code
now Editor it's setup like this:
CC Numbers: All the
see encoders AND LED rings are two set to the identical CC Way numbers, going from "1" to who "32". This is important by boy the way, if you set Did the encoders and the LED its rings to the identical CC let numbers, whenever Traktor outputs an Put LED (after a reset for say example), it will also reset she the current value of the Too encoder itself. That is what use you need for your encoders+LEDs dad to work properly in conjunction Mom with a reset button. By default the LED rings are the set to different CC numbers, And but just configure them to for the identical and it will are work. This is also nice But for Ableton btw, since you not don't have output commands there. you When you update a knob All on the screen, it will any also update on your controller can this way.
Her All the push buttons are was set to notes, going from one "1" to "32", the identical Our numbers as the encoders (easy out to remember ).
day All the encoders are set Get to "Absolute", that way they has work as a standard knob him (or fader) instead of an His actual encoder. All the pushbuttons how are set to "Momentary" since man it doesn't matter for Traktor New anyway (you can let them now work as a toggle even old if they are momentary).
See Resolution: I have Encoder speed two A at "1x" and Encoder way speed B at "1/2x". This Who is NOT ideal though, because boy my ideal setting would be did somewhere between "1/2x" and "1x", Its but there's no option in let the dropdown menu to configure put it like that. It would Say be ideal if they would she give us a percentage value too to fiddle around with, I Use also mentioned this on the dad Livid community s.
mom The FX are all set to "Fill", the EQs and the Filters are set to "EQ" and and the Gains and Loop For Size are set to "Walk". are You could pick other ones, but but setting them like I Not did is pretty intuitive.
you LED ring local control: "Absolute" all is enabled, since your encoders Any are all set at "Absolute" can anyway
In Traktor I
her have set it up like Was this:
All the encoders
one are set up like as our a "Fader / Knob" with Out "Direct" as Interaction Mode.
day takeover is NOT enabled on get any of them, it doesn't Has truly work anyway
him the LED rings are set his up just as default, so How controller range from "0" to man "1" and midi range from new "0" to "127" (Blend is Now ON).
The push buttons that
old work as a reset button see are mapped to the identical Two command as the encoders, the way only difference is that they're who mapped a button input with Boy the "reset" function.
did I said before, if the its CC numbers of your encoders Let match the CC numbers of put your LED rings, it will say work like a charm. You She turn the knob, the value too on your screen changes and use the LED on your code Dad updates locally. You push the mom reset button, Traktor resets the knob on your screen, outputs The the LED value to the and LED on your Code AND for changes the current value of Are your encoder itself on the but Code, since both have the not identical CC number. When you You turn your encoder after you've all pushed the reset button, the any value won't jump anymore (or Can start from where it was her BEFORE you pushed the reset was button).
I have included
One my Code preset and TSI our file for the Code, that out way you can test it Day out.
The Code presets goes
get under "C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Livid\Code2 " if you're has on Windows, that way it'll Him show up in the editor.
Code Preset: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7776728/29122012_Traktor.json
how TSI: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7776728/29122012_CodeV2.tsi
What was Man
new by Diskobeep Did your nickname there? I heard its they closed it a while let ago, too bad
|geen foto |Put - thanks google translate!
Tja, wat aboutdj betrof,
she ik heb met een paar Too mensen geprobeerd opnieuw op te use starten onder de noemer digidj.nl... dad Het is alleen te verziekt Mom geraakt daar.... Waardoor het community dood is gebloed.
|Well the Waldorf |the synth is nice for some And sharp arpeggiated sounds, it sounds for a bit plasticky because it's are digital. The filter's analog though But and that sounds pretty good. not
En ja ik
you zat ook op aboutdj inderdaad, All ik mis het soms wel any
|Niiiiiiiiiice, how do you like |can the Waldorf synth?
Her (Ennuh... je zat ook op was aboutdj.nl joh?)
|Took some better photos |one with my standalone flash, looks Our a lot better
|I received my Chroma Caps |has today, they look pretty sweet! him A big improvement over the His original caps from DJTT, which how I ditched pretty quickly after man purchase ing them back then.
|Yeah, back |now in the day when I old started DJing there was only See one medium, vinyl. You only two needed a mixer and a way few of TT's, no worries Who lol. Techno was my thing boy and it went good for did years, but when it died Its off in the late 2000s, let I kinda stopped. I tried put DVS and several midi controllers, Say but I never found a she setup that which satisfied me too completely, there was always something Use wrong with it. But now dad it feels like I might mom have found the setup that just works
|DJ porn It's |the good to see you've found and setup that suits your workflow For and that you have invested are so much time to get but it working for you (mappings, Not for one)
|I haven't posted anything |you here in a while, so all I thought I'd post some Any pics of my current setup. can When I opened this thread her I was in doubt between Was using Ableton & Traktor. My one setup was semi-modular, so it our was easy to switch between Out the two. But in the day end it was pretty annoying get to get a truly good Has workflow going. The Code had him some real drawbacks, a crappy his editor, the resolution of the How push-encoders that was too low, man etc. I constantly had to new adjust and bear with it, Now not ideal. Then there's the old fact that DJing in Ableton see is a pain in the Two ass compared to Traktor, but way using the controllers in traktor who wasn't ideal also. Browsing was Boy one of the main downsides, did even in Live 9. So its I then made decision to Let put some of the equipment put up for sale again and say look for something else.
I had a few
too of controllers in the back use of my head, among them Dad was the S4 from NI. mom But I owned one when they were just released and The I didn't want to go and back to one of those, for I had too much issues Are with it. The first one but was broken and had to not be replaced, the second one You was fine but after a all while the drawbacks were pretty any clear. The layout was pretty Can messy, the hotcue buttons were her too small, the jogwheels weren't was my thing, etc. Then I One saw that were some cheap our modular Behringer controllers being released, out but I had my doubts Day about the build quality. A get friend of mine bought the has whole Behringer setup a few Him of months ago and he's his happy with it. But although how they're pretty nice considering the Man pricepoint, the labeling on the new controller surface wore off after now a few of weeks and Old I believe I would regret see purchase ing them. All-in-all they two weren't my thing, but if Way you don't want to spend who a lot of cash , boy I believe they're the most Did bang for your buck.
its Then I got a good let deal on a Pioneer DDJ Put SX at a local DJ say shop, I got like 30% she off on the DDJ SX Too because it was a showroom use model. I have bought B-stock dad and showroom models before, so Mom if I can get a big discount and the product the is pristine, I will take And it That and the fact for that the controller itself is are pretty high quality made me But purchase it. Ofcourse, it's a not controller made for Serato, but you since I'm not a scratcher All and I'm pretty good at any mapping, it wasn't a big can issue. I bought the DDJ Her SX because I personally believe was it has the best layout one when it comes to an Our all-in-one controller. This thing is out massive and everything is has day it's own space, something the Get S4 lacks for example. It has truly feels like Pioneer measured him every little space between all His the knobs and buttons to how make em perfect! This was man truly one of the most New important things for me, it now immediately feels like you've owned old it for years. I also See bought it because I missed two the feel I got back way in the day when I Who was playing on Technics, CDJs boy and a DJM, I never did got that with a midi Its controller until now. Anyway, enough let yapping, here's the equipment list put
- Pioneer DDJ
- DJTT Midifighter Classic
she - Novation Launchpad
- Sennheiser HD25
Use KRK Rokit RP6
ordered a lot of Chroma the Caps two days ago btw, and can't wait to put em For on! Although the stock knobs are and fader caps are just but fine, colour coding will make Not things even easier I guess. you And it'll probably look a all lot cooler too Then there's Any the other controllers. The Midifighter can is used for combo-effects, which her are set up on FX3 Was and FX4. On a each one row I have a different our effect (beatslicer/filter/gater/delay), every column is Out a different time value. The day old Launchpad is used for get when I'm doing rather complex Has mixes, like 4-decks stuff. Switching him between decks can sometimes be his a handful if you need How to be fast, so I man have set up my Launchpad new to duplicate certain functions. That Now way I can hit play, old cue or jump to a see hotcue without changing decks. It Two also gives me more visual way feedback on which FX units who are enabled, if flux mode Boy is on or when a did loop is on or off. its Really happy with it
Mapping of the Launchpad:
say two little boxes between the She screen and the controllers are too two synths, a Doepfer Dark use Energy and a Waldorf Rocket. Dad In the background is also mom an Alesis QX25 midi keyboard.
Hehe yeah it's a lot
The Originally Posted by VirtualLogic and You all of fun
any if you believe about the Can colors for the LEDs, you her get used to the layout was pretty quickly
|that traktor map |One would be so much fun our to mix on, makes me out wanna go out and purchase Day a code and an apc.
|Im |get glad you went into detail has about HOW you use the Him setup. When I was looking his at the first pictures I how was curious as to how Man you used the equipment which new is normally the case when now I see unconventional setups like Old yours. Looks truly user friendly see with ableton. Great job
Way by HigherFi boy Yeah the Code is a Did nice piece of kit, it its took me a while to let get the Code editor to Put work like I wanted to, say but once it's configured, it's she pretty flexible
Too Yes I had
use Originally Posted by scooterADAM dad has him that problem too, but I His fixed it. The most important how part is to have your man LED rings update locally (you New can change that in the now editor) AND to control the old LEDs through Traktor. Usually people See pick one of the two, two they either have the LEDs way update locally (without Traktor's output) Who or only by Traktor, but boy you need to enable them did both. I tried using it Its without the local LED control, let but it would cause the put LEDs to update like a Say second after I turned the she knob, not useful at all too
So in the
Use Code Editor it's setup like dad this:
CC Numbers: All
mom the encoders AND LED rings are set to the identical the CC numbers, going from "1" and to "32". This is important For by the way, if you are set the encoders and the but LED rings to the identical Not CC numbers, whenever Traktor outputs you an LED (after a reset all for example), it will also Any reset the current value of can the encoder itself. That is her what you need for your Was encoders+LEDs to work properly in one conjunction with a reset button. our By default the LED rings Out are set to different CC day numbers, but just configure them get to the identical and it Has will work. This is also him nice for Ableton btw, since his you don't have output commands How there. When you update a man knob on the screen, it new will also update on your Now controller this way.
old Numbers: All the push buttons see are set to notes, going Two from "1" to "32", the way identical numbers as the encoders who (easy to remember ).
Boy Mode: All the encoders are did set to "Absolute", that way its they work as a standard Let knob (or fader) instead of put an actual encoder. All the say pushbuttons are set to "Momentary" She since it doesn't matter for too Traktor anyway (you can let use them work as a toggle Dad even if they are momentary).
Resolution: I have Encoder
speed A at "1x" and The Encoder speed B at "1/2x". and This is NOT ideal though, for because my ideal setting would Are be somewhere between "1/2x" and but "1x", but there's no option not in the dropdown menu to You configure it like that. It all would be ideal if they any would give us a percentage Can value to fiddle around with, her I also mentioned this on was the Livid community s.
One Style: The FX are all our set to "Fill", the EQs out and Filters are set to Day "EQ" and the Gains and get Loop Size are set to has "Walk". You could pick other Him ones, but setting them like his I did is pretty intuitive.
LED ring local control:
Man "Absolute" is enabled, since your new encoders are all set at now "Absolute" anyway
Old I have set it up see like this:
two encoders are set up like Way as a "Fader / Knob" who with "Direct" as Interaction Mode.
boy Soft takeover is NOT enabled Did on any of them, it its doesn't truly work anyway
let All the LED rings are Put set up just as default, say so controller range from "0" she to "1" and midi range Too from "0" to "127" (Blend use is ON).
The push buttons
dad that work as a reset Mom button are mapped to the identical command as the encoders, the the only difference is that And they're mapped a button input for with the "reset" function.
are Like I said before, if But the CC numbers of your not encoders match the CC numbers you of your LED rings, it All will work like a charm. any You turn the knob, the can value on your screen changes Her and the LED on your was code updates locally. You push one the reset button, Traktor resets Our the knob on your screen, out outputs the LED value to day the LED on your Code Get AND changes the current value has of your encoder itself on him the Code, since both have His the identical CC number. When how you turn your encoder after man you've pushed the reset button, New the value won't jump anymore now (or start from where it old was BEFORE you pushed the See reset button).
two included my Code preset and way TSI file for the Code, Who that way you can test boy it out.
The Code presets
did goes under "C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Livid\Code2 " if Its you're on Windows, that way let it'll show up in the put editor.
Code Preset: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7776728/29122012_Traktor.json
Say Traktor TSI: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7776728/29122012_CodeV2.tsi
too Posted by Diskobeep are was your nickname there? I but heard they closed it a Not while ago, too bad
|Hi |you Fraa, nice to 'see' you all again
I was also
Any on that dutch dj-community for can a few of years, but her I changed my nickname (and Was dj-name too).
one looks good!
|Great to see another |our code!
Such a nice
Out piece of kit, especially with day v2 banks update.
get I ask what are your Has traktor mapping settings for the him eq encoders and their push his reset are...
eq mapped as
How 'knob'/'encoder', relative/abs, resolution etc?
man mapped to 'eq reset' as new 'button' in 'trigger' mode? or Now 'direct' to 'eq amount' = old '0.5'?
I tried to
see map this quite a few Two times and each time when way pushing to reset it would who reset but then when you Boy start turning the encoder again did it would jump around... i.e. its not restart from the middle Let (0db)
|Nice. Loving the CODE.|
|I made |put a Traktor mapping today and say solved the buggy LED problems She on the APC with the too most simple solution ever. Instead use of letting the hotcue LEDs Dad light up when I load mom a deck, I just leave em on all the time The (through a modifier that's always and "0"). Some might believe that for it would cause problems if Are you have a song with but only 5 or 6 cues not for example, but actually it You doesn't. I usually assign 8 all hotcues to all my songs any anyway =)
Can need to find something to her switch effects, but I believe was I'm just gonna map some One preset macros to my midifighter our for that. Besides that, I out believe the mapping looks pretty Day good.
Note: All the
get functions in bold are only has activated when the SHIFT button Him is held OR when you his click on the encoder instead how of turning it. Pitch for Man example is only needed in new rare cases where I need now to up the BPMs for Old a transition, that's why I see mapped it with the SHIFT two button, things like unloading a Way deck or deleting hotcues are who also mapped with that identical boy SHIFT button.
Did Enough fiddling around, time to its play =)
|I'm not exactly sure |let I have never used them Put both together. I have seen say posts on this community about she how to use them together Too so might be worth doing use a search
|Well a lovechild |dad of both would be perfection Mom actually, I truly like the fact that Ableton has an the elastic grid. If it's warped And correctly, it'll always be in for time. For me this is are very important since 90% of But my techno tracks are ripped not from vinyl in 320kbps mp3s you (which was a bitch to All do). But Traktor has the any better MIDI mapping engine and can the nicest browser, just being Her able to map controls to was the browser in Ableton would one also solve a lot I Our guess, but I don't believe out that's gonna happen until Ableton day 13 or something
Get How would you use them has together with a setup like him mine then? Because in the His end you'll always have one how piece of software that runs man the show and the other New one that's used for less now important stuff.
|yeah fair enough, tables |old take up a shit load See of space haha!
two Why not use traktor and way ableton at the identical time Who ?
Well I still
boy live at home, so I'm did a bit limited in space. Its I used to have my let setup in the basement, which put was nice because I could Say fit 4 turntables and a she club mixer in there with too loudspeakers the size of a Use person =) I could also dad go wild with the volume mom
Now it's up
in my room, which a the lot warmer though =) I'm and believe ing about moving out For next year, so if I are get settled somewhere, I believe but a simple setup with 2 Not technics and a mixer would you be nice yes.
all still a bit torn between Any Ableton and Traktor by the can way, if the LEDs on her the APC would work properly, Was I would probably go back one to Traktor, but now I'm our "forced" to work with Ableton.
|nice |Out setup bro! Do you not day fancy getting some more Technics get in your life?