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Maschine Maschine Maschine... What about Mikro Maschcine? Posted on: 21.04.2012 by Elmer Kindinger I'm looking into adding Maschine to my DJ setup. Basically all I want is to add drums, sounds, FX etc over the top of tracks playing in Traktor. I've been doing some searching but all I can find is videos/info about syncing Maschine with Traktor, nothing really about Maschine Mikro. I've even asked questions on a few Youtube videos (DJ Endo, DubSpot etc) but didn't get any replies so I was hoping you guys could spread some light. Can this be done with Maschine Mikro? Setup - MBP running TP2, A&H Xone 92, x2 Kontrol X1s (External mode) Right now I'm using 4 decks by using x2 A2DJs but will be upgrading to an A10 when I find out about Maschine because I want to route Maschine through the Mic sections on the mixer so I can still have 4 decks for tracks. Appreciate any help guys! x
Dorie Scelzo 24.04.2013	Originally Posted by city_boy07 Click track?? - metronome or am I being stupid? Nope. A click track is an audio track (in a sequencer, on a desk, or sent to a summing bus of some kind) that clicks in time with something. A metronome is an electrical or mechanical device that produces a click at a specific frequency and is used for keeping musical time. Some DAWs get the terminology wrong, and as a result the terms are more or less interchangeable. People usually pick one or the other based on what their DAW of choice uses.
Ervin Calvery 23.04.2013	Originally Posted by city_boy07 Click track?? - metronome or am I being stupid? They're not exactly the same. You aren't being stupid, though. It's a tool similar to a disembodied metronome for recording and performance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_track
Ervin Calvery 22.04.2013	Originally Posted by Chris Macom Have you ever thought of just throwing loops, effects, etc into remix decks and using an F1? You wouldn't need to worry about syncing and could accomplish the same kinda thing. You can even set cues and do finger drumming. This must be directed to the OP. Maschine and the F1/remix decks are very different in my view, and drumming is crazily different between the two. Originally Posted by mostapha Hosting Maschine in Live and mapping its tempo controls to some other controller works really well. That's actually the only reason I still have Live sitting around, even though I don't do it anymore. @botstein, +1 on the click tracks. Depending on what you're doing, they're a lifesaver more than midi sync. If you can groove while listening to a click, then you're golden...though there are a LOT of people who can't. And FWIW, I don't believe that monitoring a click is cheating. I've done it performing voice, guitar, and running stage shows. There's no reason to believe that DJs are somehow special. I'd be lying if I said I had a lot of Live sets where I'm not hosting Maschine as a VST. I find that if the audio situation is such that everybody needs in-ears anyway (loud rock concert, etc) that click tracks are the way to go. We seem to agree 100%.
Ervin Calvery 22.04.2013	Originally Posted by mostapha It is clunky. The transport for Maschine winds up in that little midi window thing at the top of Traktor. It's kind of a PITA. I honestly believe it would be easier to just beat match maschine to your decks...or it would be if Maschine had half-decent tempo controls on it. There's a way to hack it together with Live and another controller, but it's a huge PITA. If you just want to play (and not use its sequencer at all), then you don't need midi sync. If you just MIDI sync Ableton to Traktor and run Maschine as a VST, it's a very solid sync. If you're a dubstepper, be wary of 140/70, or any halftime/doubletime mixups like that. I never play with any quantize on. If I somehow lost all rhythm, I would rather use a click track (I'm not saying people who have headphones or in-ears while playing Maschine are, but they could be,) or sequence some part that I could play in time to. Again, as someone who plays live (including acoustic instruments) as much as he DJs, I'd much rather use a click track.
Elmer Kindinger 21.05.2012	Originally Posted by padi_04 You will be missing an out pair with the A8 if you intend to retain 4 dedicated out pairs for Traktor. This is what I was believeing. I was wondering if it would be possible to aggregate one of my A2s with an A8 to give it 10 outputs... I ideally want to run Maschine through the mic channels of the 92.
Elmer Kindinger 21.05.2012	Originally Posted by mostapha Nice. You won't be sorry you got the full one. I just need to get my hands on an A8/10 now so I can get it all up and running together.
Dorie Scelzo 24.04.2013	Originally Posted by city_boy07 Click track?? - metronome or am I being stupid? Nope. A click track is an audio track (in a sequencer, on a desk, or sent to a summing bus of some kind) that clicks in time with something. A metronome is an electrical or mechanical device that produces a click at a specific frequency and is used for keeping musical time. Some DAWs get the terminology wrong, and as a result the terms are more or less interchangeable. People usually pick one or the other based on what their DAW of choice uses.
Ervin Calvery 23.04.2013	Originally Posted by city_boy07 Click track?? - metronome or am I being stupid? They're not exactly the same. You aren't being stupid, though. It's a tool similar to a disembodied metronome for recording and performance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_track
Hayden Raugh 23.04.2013	Click track?? - metronome or am I being stupid?
Ervin Calvery 22.04.2013	Originally Posted by Chris Macom Have you ever thought of just throwing loops, effects, etc into remix decks and using an F1? You wouldn't need to worry about syncing and could accomplish the same kinda thing. You can even set cues and do finger drumming. This must be directed to the OP. Maschine and the F1/remix decks are very different in my view, and drumming is crazily different between the two. Originally Posted by mostapha Hosting Maschine in Live and mapping its tempo controls to some other controller works really well. That's actually the only reason I still have Live sitting around, even though I don't do it anymore. @botstein, +1 on the click tracks. Depending on what you're doing, they're a lifesaver more than midi sync. If you can groove while listening to a click, then you're golden...though there are a LOT of people who can't. And FWIW, I don't believe that monitoring a click is cheating. I've done it performing voice, guitar, and running stage shows. There's no reason to believe that DJs are somehow special. I'd be lying if I said I had a lot of Live sets where I'm not hosting Maschine as a VST. I find that if the audio situation is such that everybody needs in-ears anyway (loud rock concert, etc) that click tracks are the way to go. We seem to agree 100%.
Malka Wickerham 22.04.2013	Have you ever thought of just throwing loops, effects, etc into remix decks and using an F1? You wouldn't need to worry about syncing and could accomplish the same kinda thing. You can even set cues and do finger drumming.
Dorie Scelzo 22.04.2013	Agreed. Hosting Maschine in Live and mapping its tempo controls to some other controller works really well. That's actually the only reason I still have Live sitting around, even though I don't do it anymore. @botstein, +1 on the click tracks. Depending on what you're doing, they're a lifesaver more than midi sync. If you can groove while listening to a click, then you're golden...though there are a LOT of people who can't. @scooter, it drifts on OS X as well. If you're doing midi sync at all, traktor is a little bit better at following Live's tempo than the other way around (IIRC), but everything will drift. When you get insanely complicated (like the minus shows from a few years ago), getting all the software set up together is worth it. But there's a point in the middle where it's just easier and more reliable to do it all yourself. And FWIW, I don't believe that monitoring a click is cheating. I've done it performing voice, guitar, and running stage shows. There's no reason to believe that DJs are somehow special.
Maile Dekerlegand 22.04.2013	IMO if you are using any kind of PC manual beat match is your only option for syncing maschine on top of traktor internal midi clock via cable or virtual cable will drift as will processing of external midi clock as others has mentioned you need to host maschine in a DAW and midi map the DAW transport controls starting with nudge as maschine standalone doesnt have it best for the type of djing where you keep the master tempo the same for long periods of time, not stops or sudden phase changes +1 the full size maschine, it is the best thing since sliced bread.
Hayden Raugh 22.04.2013	I got it to work but or sum reason it sounds really clunky and off wen layerin a brat over a traktor deck!
Ervin Calvery 22.04.2013	Originally Posted by mostapha It is clunky. The transport for Maschine winds up in that little midi window thing at the top of Traktor. It's kind of a PITA. I honestly believe it would be easier to just beat match maschine to your decks...or it would be if Maschine had half-decent tempo controls on it. There's a way to hack it together with Live and another controller, but it's a huge PITA. If you just want to play (and not use its sequencer at all), then you don't need midi sync. If you just MIDI sync Ableton to Traktor and run Maschine as a VST, it's a very solid sync. If you're a dubstepper, be wary of 140/70, or any halftime/doubletime mixups like that. I never play with any quantize on. If I somehow lost all rhythm, I would rather use a click track (I'm not saying people who have headphones or in-ears while playing Maschine are, but they could be,) or sequence some part that I could play in time to. Again, as someone who plays live (including acoustic instruments) as much as he DJs, I'd much rather use a click track.
Dorie Scelzo 22.04.2013	It is clunky. The transport for Maschine winds up in that little midi window thing at the top of Traktor. It's kind of a PITA. I honestly believe it would be easier to just beat match maschine to your decks...or it would be if Maschine had half-decent tempo controls on it. There's a way to hack it together with Live and another controller, but it's a huge PITA. If you just want to play (and not use it's sequencer at all), then you don't need midi sync.
Sydney Lashway 22.04.2013	supposedly the MIDI sync IS clunky. Like you mentioned Bass Kleph plays w/o quantize. Also, he mentions in the DJTT video that he prefers the MIDI sync capabilities better in Ableton and that's what he uses. Edit: Hopefully this video helps
Merideth Garnder 22.04.2013	I've heard the midi sync is clunky? Does anyone use it? I believe to make it sound fluid....like Bass Kleph....you need to have some rhythm and just play with quantize off?
Dorie Scelzo 22.04.2013	Yeah, you can just play. Quantize (if set correctly) will still function, though it may not function exactly as expected. Essentially what the MIDI clock sync does is replace Maschine's tempo controls with what it gets from Traktor and replaces it's play/pause button with the one in Traktor's midi clock section.
Hayden Raugh 22.04.2013	Hi Guys Quick question i hope someone can help. i plan on syncing my mikro to traktor toevening and see what its like. i dont believe ill have much probelm setting it all up... i just want to know if the only way to use the maschin once synced up is the step sequencer? would i not be able to play synth parts over my traktor tracks? will it just work with the step sequencer?
Elmer Kindinger 22.05.2012	That's true, nothing from Traktor will be using the A2 as all decks will be set to the A8. That just leaves Mashine running off the A2 by itself. Timecode isn't a problem as I don't use it.
Dorie Scelzo 21.05.2012	You wouldn't need to aggregate if you're running the programs separate (with a midi clock). If you aggregate, you can't use timecode (not sure if it matters to you).
Elmer Kindinger 21.05.2012	Originally Posted by padi_04 You will be missing an out pair with the A8 if you intend to retain 4 dedicated out pairs for Traktor. This is what I was believeing. I was wondering if it would be possible to aggregate one of my A2s with an A8 to give it 10 outputs... I ideally want to run Maschine through the mic channels of the 92.
Nedra Fresneda 21.05.2012	You will be missing an out pair with the A8 if you intend to retain 4 dedicated out pairs for Traktor.
Elmer Kindinger 21.05.2012	Originally Posted by mostapha Nice. You won't be sorry you got the full one. I just need to get my hands on an A8/10 now so I can get it all up and running together.
Dorie Scelzo 21.05.2012	Nice. You won't be sorry you got the full one.
Elmer Kindinger 20.05.2012	Never mind, I've just managed to grab the full size Maschine for
Elmer Kindinger 20.05.2012	This is really confusing! On one hand everyone is saying the Mikro will do for what I want then there's always a 'but' for the full Maschine. I'm watching a few of the full sized ones going at the Mikro price on ebay.
Lisa Lochotzki 18.05.2012	Especially if you add some VST on the top...
Dorie Scelzo 17.05.2012	If you just want to use it as a drum machine the way he does, the Mikro will suit you well. But it's limiting if you decide you want to do anything else……having the extra knobs really does make a difference.
Elmer Kindinger 17.05.2012	Originally Posted by Mike_08 I'm looking into adding Maschine to my DJ setup. Basically all I want is to add drums, sounds, FX etc over the top of tracks playing in Traktor. I've been doing some searching but all I can find is videos/info about syncing Maschine with Traktor, nothing really about Maschine Mikro. I've even asked questions on a few Youtube videos (DJ Endo, DubSpot etc) but didn't get any replies so I was hoping you guys could spread some light. Can this be done with Maschine Mikro? Setup - MBP running TP2, A&H Xone 92, x2 Kontrol X1s (External mode) Right now I'm using 4 decks by using x2 A2DJs but will be upgrading to an A10 when I find out about Maschine because I want to route Maschine through the Mic sections on the mixer so I can still have 4 decks for tracks. Appreciate any help guys! x This is exactly what I will be wanting to use Maschine for in my setup. (Starts around 2:20)
Dorie Scelzo 23.04.2012	That kinda makes sense. Just be careful about wanting to do any kind of real time effects and how slow it is to do things like change quantization values. I don't have nearly as much experience with the Mikro (a friend owns it) but IIRC, the step sequencer is also a bit weirder if you're programming more than 1 measure or need to change grid values quickly. The Mikro is a lot more attractive…if that means anything to you.
Elmer Kindinger 23.04.2012	Yeah, it'll only really be used to add samples over tracks in Traktor. I know it may be easier to just use the sample decks in Traktor but I'm running off 4 track decks so I'm just looking to add another bit of hardware/software that can do that on it's own and leaves Traktor to just playing the tracks.
Dorie Scelzo 23.04.2012	That being said, I believe the full Maschine is absolutely worth the price. If you just want it as a sample player and drum machine, it's probably okay. But the knobs do make a big difference in terms of usability.
Elmer Kindinger 23.04.2012	Originally Posted by mostapha @OP, the only difference between Maschine and Maschine Mikro is the hardware. Use Traktor or Maschine's virtual MIDI Cables, the IAC Driver, or any pair of MIDI interfaces and it'll work. Chees mate, I believe I'll buy a Mikro and give it a go.
Dorie Scelzo 23.04.2012	@OP, the only difference between Maschine and Maschine Mikro is the hardware. Use Traktor or Maschine's virtual MIDI Cables, the IAC Driver, or any pair of MIDI interfaces and it'll work. Originally Posted by space monkey I have the big brother and putting beats/patterns/etc... atop Traktor's output has IME been less than stellar. I find trying to reign in Machine's phase (sync is not really a big issue) to line up with Traktor is a PITA--to such a degree i've scrapped the whole concept until I either figure out something i'm doing wrong or NI gets the integration up to task. Syncing on a mac is easy while on a PC is like driving on an icy road. Also once Machine is sync'd to an external program one loses control over Play/Stop and the program just continues to play regardless making the creation of patterns on the fly via touchpads impossible. Maybe someone can set me straight but I would do some serious research first before plopping down the coin for the sole purpose of what you want to do. Everything worked for me. I'm not doing it now, but that's because I refuse to use sync anymore because I'm too lazy to set beat grids. When I was doing that, it worked flawlessly. Originally Posted by Shishdisma There should also be a MIDI Start/Stop on Traktor's clock panel, to start the sequencer. There is. Map it to a MIDI control. Other than that, it's just manually beat matching (using the MIDI Clock Offset in one of the 2 programs) the two clicks together. Doesn't take long.
Chasidy Heckenbach 22.04.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma Phase comes down to timing, a MIDI clock is a BPM pulse, and you can nudge the clock in Traktor. There should also be a MIDI Start/Stop on Traktor's clock panel, to start the sequencer. pretty much - traktor just sends out a start msg initially and each time u press the 'send sync' button and 24 timing ticks per beat. as soon as u enable 'send clock' it starts pumping it out to every midi device attached. Originally Posted by Mike_08 I seen the guide on Traktor Bible is using Jack Audio but the other videos I've seen from DubSpot doesn't. I'm using a Macbook Pro so fingers crossed it should be easier to setup. i haven't found a big difference between using the traktor bultin port and the IAC driver. both are massively more stable than using an app on windows like loopMIDI (only tried windows7 tho - before getting my mac)
Elmer Kindinger 22.04.2012	Cheers for the info guys. I believe I'll pick one up and see how things go. Originally Posted by misha_val I've got a Maschine Mikro and I do exactly what you described all synced up perfectly in Traktor Pro 2. I'm on a PC so instead of messing with Jack Audio I just use physical cables with a Komplete Audio 6 Soundcard. I seen the guide on Traktor Bible is using Jack Audio but the other videos I've seen from DubSpot doesn't. I'm using a Macbook Pro so fingers crossed it should be easier to setup.
Xiomara Woolworth 22.04.2012	has anyone come acroos a midi fighter mapping for the maschine mikro. i know there is one for the maschine but i have not come across one for the mikro. it seems like it would be pretty easy, i just wouldnt know where to begin.
Mora Romandia 22.04.2012	I've got a Maschine Mikro and I do exactly what you described all synced up perfectly in Traktor Pro 2. I'm on a PC so instead of messing with Jack Audio I just use physical cables with a Komplete Audio 6 Soundcard.

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