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Slipstreamed windows ISOs optimized for djing ?
Posted on: 20.04.2013 by Dannie Dimora
Hello there, i've been having problems with my laptop ever since i bought a brand new hdd and installed a fresh copy of windows 7.
Waveforms are sluggish in both serato and traktor (vdj works fine tho), and traktor is MIGHTY slow. It takes about 10 seconds to get into the settings menu, let alone browsing and loading tracks.
Serato also crashes when i load some of the tracks, and i have these weird cpu spikes when doing absolutely nothing.

My specs are: quadcore i7 (2ndgen) @2ghz, 8gb ram @1333, WD caviar black 7200rpm 750gb, nvidia gt540m 2gb.
OS: Win7 Ultimate x64 (genuine), followed every optimization guide out there.
The disk is defragmented every week by a good third party defragger, i have about 180gb used on the disk, now this is only music, on the laptop i have installed just serato, traktor, vdj, chrome, itunes and the defragger. NOTHING ELSE.


TL;DR
So if any of you know of any slipstreamed installs of windows 7 that are specifically targeted at and optimized for music production/djing, that would be GREAT.


Thank you
Luka

EDIT:
-also, "get a mac" , yeah i would, i'm just waiting for the next-gen retinas to come out because the 15 has an overheating issue.
Delila Vandommelen
24.04.2013
Originally Posted by scooterADAM
- battery management driver (ndis.sys)
- wifi (acpi.sys)
That's the other way around FYI
Dannie Dimora
23.04.2013
Originally Posted by jhoward06
Yeah, I'm out of ideas at this point. Completely fresh install Windows, install only the necessary drivers and a copy of Traktor or Serato and see what happens.
I'm desperate xD
http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1366739969012.jpg
Cora Younginer
23.04.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
Tried, even uninstalled all the usb devices then reinstalled them one by one (card reader, usb ports, webcam), but nope, problm still there.
USB ports are cool, no dropouts, i guess it's an OS problem..
HD is squeaky clean , defragmented and has 500gb free.
I'm actually a quite active member on tomshw, i'll try asking those guys (even tho most of them probably don't have experiences with djing software..)
Yeah, I'm out of ideas at this point. Completely fresh install Windows, install only the necessary drivers and a copy of Traktor or Serato and see what happens.
Malcolm Leckenby
23.04.2013		RE.. TOPIC

I have used nlite stripped down versions of windows xp pro with slipstreamed service packs, drivers etc. on both my dj pc
Dannie Dimora
23.04.2013
Originally Posted by jhoward06
Before swapping drives try any add on cards if applicable and USB devices. It may also be USB drivers not reading accurately (Both on devices and within the actual motherboard), Windows 7 has a weird habit of not picking up high speed USB 2.0's from time to time (Both in the GUI and via drivers). I would actually peg it here, but I can't say for sure since this is such a random issue (Been fixing/diag'ing for years and never had any interrupt problems crop up). The hard drive wouldn't seem like the issue to me unless there are signs of slowing, issues with any other software, read and write speed lag and so forth. All else fails direct yourself to Toms Hardware if you haven't already and start firing away on their community s. The guys there put me to shame and will likely have you sorted out in no time.
Tried, even uninstalled all the usb devices then reinstalled them one by one (card reader, usb ports, webcam), but nope, problm still there.
USB ports are cool, no dropouts, i guess it's an OS problem..
HD is squeaky clean , defragmented and has 500gb free.
I'm actually a quite active member on tomshw, i'll try asking those guys (even tho most of them probably don't have experiences with djing software..)
Cora Younginer
23.04.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
I updated everything. I will try replacing the HD with the old 320gb one that came with the laptop (all original drivers on there), that might "solve" the problem..
Prime is completely stable, haven't tried memtest yet
Before swapping drives try any add on cards if applicable and USB devices. It may also be USB drivers not reading accurately (Both on devices and within the actual motherboard), Windows 7 has a weird habit of not picking up high speed USB 2.0's from time to time (Both in the GUI and via drivers). I would actually peg it here, but I can't say for sure since this is such a random issue (Been fixing/diag'ing for years and never had any interrupt problems crop up). The hard drive wouldn't seem like the issue to me unless there are signs of slowing, issues with any other software, read and write speed lag and so forth. All else fails direct yourself to Toms Hardware if you haven't already and start firing away on their community s. The guys there put me to shame and will likely have you sorted out in no time.
Dannie Dimora
23.04.2013
Originally Posted by jhoward06
Do you have accurate chipset drivers? Easily overlooked and can cause issues. You could also try using the exact drivers that are shipped with the unit. That may matter, may not. I'd guess it's a driver problem if anything - if it were hardware it would be more consistent. But for what its worth you could try Memtest86 for the memory, Prime95's torture test for a combo of both, and whatever WD tools are available for the drive. But again, this may be a waste of time and it doesn't sound like a direct hardware issue.
I updated everything. I will try replacing the HD with the old 320gb one that came with the laptop (all original drivers on there), that might "solve" the problem..
Prime is completely stable, haven't tried memtest yet
Dannie Dimora
23.04.2013
Originally Posted by Theghostwhowalks
Both Traktor and Serato are amazing pieces of Digital Djing software but to be honest, as a graduate software engineer i can tell you that they are so badly optimized for the windows platform that quite frankly its hilarious that they are considered "Compatible with Windows". I've had both programs running on 4 different Windows setups with various hardware configurations and from what i can tell, getting either program to run on windows consistently without crashes is essentially a fluke. There's a reason every dj who is apparently "Worth their salt" uses a mac, not because the hardware is any better, but the software has been designed around the BSD operating system. As for your question about slipstreamed windows ISO's, i highly recommend using a pretty common digital platform known as the Pioneer CDJ range. Works best with just taking flash drives and cd's to gigs. less hassle to setup and typically, crash free!
Yeah OS optimization seems to be the problem, but still, i would understand it not working properly on a c2d, but on an i7?

Also, answering the slipstreaming question with "buy cdjs" doesn't help me a lot now does it
I don't have money to buy 2000's or 900's, and i wouldn't settle for less because of the low feature count on more basic models (call me snob, but IMO my ddj-sx has more features than a pair of 850ks)
Serato and traktor have everything i need, but damn the programmers -.-
Dannie Dimora
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Tried disabling ACPI in Device Manager? And Hyperthreading in BIOS?

Which issues are you having right now?
No help... Hyperthreading cannot be disabled in bios , tried deactivating the logical processors to no avail... Still the same problems.
Elwanda Ganzalez
24.04.2013		Far stretch but I say replace the HD
Karolis Petrauskas
24.04.2013		Use SmiTTTen's optimizer, it will sort you out.

http://themixtrain.wordpress.com/res...r/beta-script/
Delila Vandommelen
24.04.2013
Originally Posted by scooterADAM
- battery management driver (ndis.sys)
- wifi (acpi.sys)
That's the other way around FYI
Maile Dekerlegand
24.04.2013		+1 latencymon

for me the three biggest culprits have been:
- battery management driver (ndis.sys)
- wifi (acpi.sys)
- nvidia gfx

regarding the nvidia gfx, google powermizer and d/l a script to disable it

with Serato check you don't have any virtual midi stuff running like midiyoke for instance

also gamebooster and the djtt script are good to get rid of unwanted services
Emelina Chillson
24.04.2013		msconfig is your best friend. Use it.....
Trista Karle
23.04.2013		Honestly I have seen clean installs fuck up like this. And if you've been in your case an improperly seated piece of hardware can cause this also... And sorry an i7 is great but if the software is not working with the instruction set correctly this can cause problems... Try running throttle stop conservatively ad see what happens. Also what about heat? Have you installed any other audio programs. On my laptop for some reason I can not have Ableton installed with certain vsti's or it fucks up my serato. And trust me my laptop is anything but under powered. Ic2 x9100 8gb DDR3 Dual ssd drives and a nvidia graphics card before the gimped their mobile cards. So yeah could be something like that cause issues.
Makeda Vandersall
23.04.2013		I cast a second vote for Tom's hardware, very skilled gents over there.
Delila Vandommelen
23.04.2013		Just had to point that out - you can ignore the peaks when starting up ssl/traktor... you're hitting the harddrive quite a bit then.
Interrupts will never show a thread - they'll be a mix of what's coming from the hardware and to some extent dpc calls. Some precision logging and analysis with xperf will help pinpoint where the dpc latency surges are coming from. Who knows, you might actually have to *downgrade* a driver, but only after looking at that will you be able to know specifically which part is going amok. If it's in usbport.sys however... that's a bit more problematic.

Tried a different usb cable and/or port for the audio interface(s) maybe?

Re: tweaking - it's probably a better idea to do a clean install, add the essential components, do some basic setup (most significantly, a competent power profile) *then* run dpclat/latencymon/xperf/rattv3 (on xp) and such to track performance while idle and under your expected workload.
At this point you still have a relatively untainted system and whatever arises can be tracked down easier.
Now you can tweak subtly, ie no agressively mucking about with services and registry tweaks, then start adding less essential packages to your machine and see how that goes.
Dannie Dimora
23.04.2013
Originally Posted by jhoward06
Yeah, I'm out of ideas at this point. Completely fresh install Windows, install only the necessary drivers and a copy of Traktor or Serato and see what happens.
I'm desperate xD
http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1366739969012.jpg
Cora Younginer
23.04.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
Tried, even uninstalled all the usb devices then reinstalled them one by one (card reader, usb ports, webcam), but nope, problm still there.
USB ports are cool, no dropouts, i guess it's an OS problem..
HD is squeaky clean , defragmented and has 500gb free.
I'm actually a quite active member on tomshw, i'll try asking those guys (even tho most of them probably don't have experiences with djing software..)
Yeah, I'm out of ideas at this point. Completely fresh install Windows, install only the necessary drivers and a copy of Traktor or Serato and see what happens.
Malcolm Leckenby
23.04.2013		RE.. TOPIC

I have used nlite stripped down versions of windows xp pro with slipstreamed service packs, drivers etc. on both my dj pc
Dannie Dimora
23.04.2013
Originally Posted by jhoward06
Before swapping drives try any add on cards if applicable and USB devices. It may also be USB drivers not reading accurately (Both on devices and within the actual motherboard), Windows 7 has a weird habit of not picking up high speed USB 2.0's from time to time (Both in the GUI and via drivers). I would actually peg it here, but I can't say for sure since this is such a random issue (Been fixing/diag'ing for years and never had any interrupt problems crop up). The hard drive wouldn't seem like the issue to me unless there are signs of slowing, issues with any other software, read and write speed lag and so forth. All else fails direct yourself to Toms Hardware if you haven't already and start firing away on their community s. The guys there put me to shame and will likely have you sorted out in no time.
Tried, even uninstalled all the usb devices then reinstalled them one by one (card reader, usb ports, webcam), but nope, problm still there.
USB ports are cool, no dropouts, i guess it's an OS problem..
HD is squeaky clean , defragmented and has 500gb free.
I'm actually a quite active member on tomshw, i'll try asking those guys (even tho most of them probably don't have experiences with djing software..)
Cora Younginer
23.04.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
I updated everything. I will try replacing the HD with the old 320gb one that came with the laptop (all original drivers on there), that might "solve" the problem..
Prime is completely stable, haven't tried memtest yet
Before swapping drives try any add on cards if applicable and USB devices. It may also be USB drivers not reading accurately (Both on devices and within the actual motherboard), Windows 7 has a weird habit of not picking up high speed USB 2.0's from time to time (Both in the GUI and via drivers). I would actually peg it here, but I can't say for sure since this is such a random issue (Been fixing/diag'ing for years and never had any interrupt problems crop up). The hard drive wouldn't seem like the issue to me unless there are signs of slowing, issues with any other software, read and write speed lag and so forth. All else fails direct yourself to Toms Hardware if you haven't already and start firing away on their community s. The guys there put me to shame and will likely have you sorted out in no time.
Dannie Dimora
23.04.2013
Originally Posted by jhoward06
Do you have accurate chipset drivers? Easily overlooked and can cause issues. You could also try using the exact drivers that are shipped with the unit. That may matter, may not. I'd guess it's a driver problem if anything - if it were hardware it would be more consistent. But for what its worth you could try Memtest86 for the memory, Prime95's torture test for a combo of both, and whatever WD tools are available for the drive. But again, this may be a waste of time and it doesn't sound like a direct hardware issue.
I updated everything. I will try replacing the HD with the old 320gb one that came with the laptop (all original drivers on there), that might "solve" the problem..
Prime is completely stable, haven't tried memtest yet
Dannie Dimora
23.04.2013
Originally Posted by Theghostwhowalks
Both Traktor and Serato are amazing pieces of Digital Djing software but to be honest, as a graduate software engineer i can tell you that they are so badly optimized for the windows platform that quite frankly its hilarious that they are considered "Compatible with Windows". I've had both programs running on 4 different Windows setups with various hardware configurations and from what i can tell, getting either program to run on windows consistently without crashes is essentially a fluke. There's a reason every dj who is apparently "Worth their salt" uses a mac, not because the hardware is any better, but the software has been designed around the BSD operating system. As for your question about slipstreamed windows ISO's, i highly recommend using a pretty common digital platform known as the Pioneer CDJ range. Works best with just taking flash drives and cd's to gigs. less hassle to setup and typically, crash free!
Yeah OS optimization seems to be the problem, but still, i would understand it not working properly on a c2d, but on an i7?

Also, answering the slipstreaming question with "buy cdjs" doesn't help me a lot now does it
I don't have money to buy 2000's or 900's, and i wouldn't settle for less because of the low feature count on more basic models (call me snob, but IMO my ddj-sx has more features than a pair of 850ks)
Serato and traktor have everything i need, but damn the programmers -.-
Cora Younginer
22.04.2013		Do you have accurate chipset drivers? Easily overlooked and can cause issues. You could also try using the exact drivers that are shipped with the unit. That may matter, may not. I'd guess it's a driver problem if anything - if it were hardware it would be more consistent. But for what its worth you could try Memtest86 for the memory, Prime95's torture test for a combo of both, and whatever WD tools are available for the drive. But again, this may be a waste of time and it doesn't sound like a direct hardware issue.
Erik Hanges
21.04.2013		Both Traktor and Serato are amazing pieces of Digital Djing software but to be honest, as a graduate software engineer i can tell you that they are so badly optimized for the windows platform that quite frankly its hilarious that they are considered "Compatible with Windows". I've had both programs running on 4 different Windows setups with various hardware configurations and from what i can tell, getting either program to run on windows consistently without crashes is essentially a fluke. There's a reason every dj who is apparently "Worth their salt" uses a mac, not because the hardware is any better, but the software has been designed around the BSD operating system. As for your question about slipstreamed windows ISO's, i highly recommend using a pretty common digital platform known as the Pioneer CDJ range. Works best with just taking flash drives and cd's to gigs. less hassle to setup and typically, crash free!
Marshall Aby
20.04.2013		DDPC latency...try installing different GFX drivers. Perhaps your computer manufacturer releases OEM ones or you could try some older drivers. I had this problem with my nVidia chipset on my old laptop.
Dannie Dimora
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Tried disabling ACPI in Device Manager? And Hyperthreading in BIOS?

Which issues are you having right now?
No help... Hyperthreading cannot be disabled in bios , tried deactivating the logical processors to no avail... Still the same problems.
Dannie Dimora
20.04.2013		Ok, update: Got the spikes in serato. Two tracks are loaded on A and B, but NEITHER OF THEM IS PLAYING.
The hell?!?
In resource monitor "system interrupts" shows in the top spot for cpu usage, description: "deferred procedure calls and interrupt service routines", and it shows up with 0 threads...
Alphonso Deitchman
20.04.2013		Tried disabling ACPI in Device Manager? And Hyperthreading in BIOS?

Which issues are you having right now?
Dannie Dimora
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Clock speed is not a significant measurement of CPU processing power. The CPU in question (2nd gen i7) certainly isn't underpowered for audio use.

And the waveforms are graphically extremely basic. They are no more handled by the GPU than the rest of the UI. The CPU will be responsible for producing waveforms from the audio data, and once analysed the waveform is stored on the hard drive. Traktor of course prioritises audio over visuals, so waveforms may lag a little at times.
this. PC is more than capable handling serato & traktor...
Dannie Dimora
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by synthet1c
you could try disabling your wireless and bluetooth adapters and any antivirus protection when using traktor/serato, this one is really only for underpowered cpu's though, if your using a single thread of your cpu's then 2Ghz is pretty low to run music software, although the waveforms are probably handled by the GPU.

Also if you laptop is plugged in to the wall, you should remove your battery to preserve it's charge and remove any chance of a ground loop "static from your PSU".
Cpu speed isn't as important as instructions per clock, and i7s have very good ratios. Plus it's a quad core, so it really shouldn't be a problem. For example i run cubase with 50+tracks no problem on this...

Removed the battery, nothing changed...
Alphonso Deitchman
20.04.2013		Clock speed is not a significant measurement of CPU processing power. The CPU in question (2nd gen i7) certainly isn't underpowered for audio use.

And the waveforms are graphically extremely basic. They are no more handled by the GPU than the rest of the UI. The CPU will be responsible for producing waveforms from the audio data, and once analysed the waveform is stored on the hard drive. Traktor of course prioritises audio over visuals, so waveforms may lag a little at times.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
20.04.2013		you could try disabling your wireless and bluetooth adapters and any antivirus protection when using traktor/serato, this one is really only for underpowered cpu's though, if your using a single thread of your cpu's then 2Ghz is pretty low to run music software, although the waveforms are probably handled by the GPU.

Also if you laptop is plugged in to the wall, you should remove your battery to preserve it's charge and remove any chance of a ground loop "static from your PSU".
Emelina Chillson
20.04.2013		If you are having acpi issues, I have a fix for that as well that involves not removing your battery.
Emelina Chillson
20.04.2013		right click ont he shortcut on your desktop, go to properties, change the target to C:\Windows\System32\cmd.exe /C start /affinity 2 C:\"Program Files"\"Native Instruments"\"Traktor 2"\Traktor.exe

Turn on Multicore suppor tin traktor's settings. That fixed my issue.
Dannie Dimora
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
My reply came off very assholish. I apologize. Good luck.
No it didn't haha
I know the people you're talking about, the guys who ask " my serato no work and pc screen es no worky why?" without giving any further explanation of the problem
Sonja Roybal
20.04.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
Believe me i do know what i'm doing with the computer. I tried everything humanly possible, from manually disabling services one by one to modifying registry keys. Nothing helped...
My reply came off very assholish. I apologize. Good luck.
Brunilda Kora
21.04.2013		I was seeing hardpage faults being caused by ACPI. No battery, no ACPI pagefaults.
Dannie Dimora
21.04.2013
Originally Posted by Patch
Try taking out the battery. Run it with the power adaptor only.
I have heard that one before, but i still don't get how it could help.. i'll try

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