Trakor Timecode Problem (tracks playing backward)

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Trakor Timecode Problem (tracks playing backward)
Posted on: 29.04.2013 by Lannie Kutay
i know there have been a number of traktor timecode problems lately, but mine is strange. Ive tried to troubleshoot the problem, no luck.
My Setup-
2- Stanton t62 tables
2- BRAND NEW stanton carts
Audio 8 DJ
BRAND NEW traktor white timecode
Traktor Scratch Pro (legit)
Macbook Pro quad i7, 8gb ram (mtn lion)
both tables run at 45 and set accordingly in traktor, my timecode graph things look fine. (blue and orange like they should be)

But the tracks play backwards no matter what. If i switch to internal its fine. But as soon as i set it to vinyl control, starts playing backwards...???

I've been using this setup for a year now with no changes and no problems. Whats going on?
Hayden Raugh
30.04.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
Lol I'm stupid, I just recalibrated all good now duh...
HAHAHAA

I recalibrate everytime!
Delila Vandommelen
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by joemanton
That's crazy that it worked. How come swapping your RCA cables had any difference?

I'm not playing devils advocate, I've just never heard of that before. Knowledge is power and all that KDoog
DVS playing backwards is a pretty common thing, with the channel swapping as the go-to quick fix. You can indeed recalibrate the faulty channel in Traktor and it'll invert things for you.

Why?
Supposedly, there is a phase offset in the sine tone between the left and right channels, which the software uses to determine direction. Swap the channels, the phase is inverted and therefore, so must be the direction - and thus playback goes the opposite way.
You can make that happen on purpose by swapping the wires, or swapping between cartridges with different wiring (or swap the white and red terminals in your headshell mounted carts for fun).
Corollary : if you unplug one of the channels while playing, cueing back and forth only makes the playback go forth-forth-forth-forth instead of back-forth-back-forth (depends on the unplugged channel and dvs software).

@OP: you mentioned...
BRAND NEW stanton carts
.
Brand new compared to your unchanged-for-a-year setup?
Elvis Woodis
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by city_boy07
On your soundcard inputs swap your turntbales input phonos to the opposite of what you do now.. i.e. instead of red in red, white in white.. have white in red, red in white...

^ that has fixed the issue for my mates serato when he used my turntables, no idea why it happend since it works fine on my traktor.
That's crazy that it worked. How come swapping your RCA cables had any difference?

I'm not playing devils advocate, I've just never heard of that before. Knowledge is power and all that KDoog
Elvis Woodis
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
But the tracks play backwards no matter what. If i switch to internal its fine. But as soon as i set it to vinyl control, starts playing backwards...???

I've been using this setup for a year now with no changes and no problems. Whats going on?
Your Stanton's are possessed.
Lannie Kutay
29.04.2013
i know there have been a number of traktor timecode problems lately, but mine is strange. Ive tried to troubleshoot the problem, no luck.
My Setup-
2- Stanton t62 tables
2- BRAND NEW stanton carts
Audio 8 DJ
BRAND NEW traktor white timecode
Traktor Scratch Pro (legit)
Macbook Pro quad i7, 8gb ram (mtn lion)
both tables run at 45 and set accordingly in traktor, my timecode graph things look fine. (blue and orange like they should be)

But the tracks play backwards no matter what. If i switch to internal its fine. But as soon as i set it to vinyl control, starts playing backwards...???

I've been using this setup for a year now with no changes and no problems. Whats going on?
Hayden Raugh
30.04.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
Lol I'm stupid, I just recalibrated all good now duh...
HAHAHAA

I recalibrate everytime!
Lannie Kutay
29.04.2013
Lol I'm stupid, I just recalibrated all good now duh...
Jerica Salava
29.04.2013
maybe you hooked up the tiny leads on the Stanton carts reversed.
Hayden Raugh
29.04.2013
^^ at least summoned knows why!!
Delila Vandommelen
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by joemanton
That's crazy that it worked. How come swapping your RCA cables had any difference?

I'm not playing devils advocate, I've just never heard of that before. Knowledge is power and all that KDoog
DVS playing backwards is a pretty common thing, with the channel swapping as the go-to quick fix. You can indeed recalibrate the faulty channel in Traktor and it'll invert things for you.

Why?
Supposedly, there is a phase offset in the sine tone between the left and right channels, which the software uses to determine direction. Swap the channels, the phase is inverted and therefore, so must be the direction - and thus playback goes the opposite way.
You can make that happen on purpose by swapping the wires, or swapping between cartridges with different wiring (or swap the white and red terminals in your headshell mounted carts for fun).
Corollary : if you unplug one of the channels while playing, cueing back and forth only makes the playback go forth-forth-forth-forth instead of back-forth-back-forth (depends on the unplugged channel and dvs software).

@OP: you mentioned...
BRAND NEW stanton carts
.
Brand new compared to your unchanged-for-a-year setup?
Hayden Raugh
29.04.2013
hope it works, let us know!
Lannie Kutay
29.04.2013
im gonna give it all a try as soon as i get home thanks guys!
Hayden Raugh
29.04.2013
im not entierly sure tbh joe!

it might have had summat to do with my Shure Carts, cos wen we put his stanton carts on the 1210s and plugged the rca's in his SL2 box the right way it worked, then we put my M447s in and it went backwards untill we swapped the rca's the other way around.

Its not happend on any1 elses Serato box ive tried it on though

Good thing about traktor is you can put the rca's either way around if its going backwards then its getting a signal and all u press is recalibrate and itll play forwards... Serato seems like you have to plug them in whichever way it likes...

although this is all just my experience!!

Off topic: joe u shudda come down to rum & bass on sat, was a epic evening !
Ervin Calvery
29.04.2013
Have you contacted support from NI?
Elvis Woodis
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by city_boy07
On your soundcard inputs swap your turntbales input phonos to the opposite of what you do now.. i.e. instead of red in red, white in white.. have white in red, red in white...

^ that has fixed the issue for my mates serato when he used my turntables, no idea why it happend since it works fine on my traktor.
That's crazy that it worked. How come swapping your RCA cables had any difference?

I'm not playing devils advocate, I've just never heard of that before. Knowledge is power and all that KDoog
Hayden Raugh
29.04.2013
try this...

Recalibrate your vinyls while there playing backwards, they may start playin the right way (its happend a few times)

On your soundcard inputs swap your turntbales input phonos to the opposite of what you do now.. i.e. instead of red in red, white in white.. have white in red, red in white...

^ that has fixed the issue for my mates serato when he used my turntables, no idea why it happend since it works fine on my traktor.

Hope either of these helps...

Let us know
Elvis Woodis
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
But the tracks play backwards no matter what. If i switch to internal its fine. But as soon as i set it to vinyl control, starts playing backwards...???

I've been using this setup for a year now with no changes and no problems. Whats going on?
Your Stanton's are possessed.

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