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Posted on: 28.04.2013 by Peggy Gabrielson
I now mix only once a week and one of the reasons (not the only one) is that when I had my 1210s I believe I was more inspired to mix compared to my current S4 + Laptop setup. The spinning platters combined with an actual mixer was more enticing compared to the buttons and jogwheel of the S4. I'm not sure it's all about the tactile nature of the 1210 either. The history, weight and asthetic beauty of the 1210s also helped. When I was mixing on 1210s I felt like I was part of a larger community. The S4 is popular sure, but the 1210s were like a real symbol of DJing.

I have still not had one person comment on my S4 setup, but almost everyone who saw my 1210s made a comment. Everyone knew what 1210s represented.

/end ramblings...

PS: I love my s4...but I thought this topic might generate some empathy - I know there are lots of people who've sold their 1210s to go digital
Shan Bauerly
02.05.2013
Originally Posted by hellnegative
Whyd you have to get your coffin custom order bruv? Outside of the states?

Road Ready and Odyssey still sell turntable based coffins out here (Had new ones to display at MBLV this year too).
Cause i wanted a black one with tt in standard mode. Can't do the battle mode thing.
Mora Sobieck
30.04.2013
Originally Posted by The Mighty FV
if you love vinyl then play it. If you love digital then play it.
The answer to all these retarded "vinyl vs digital" arguments
Tamela Batara
30.04.2013
Originally Posted by djproben
Pretty sure KRKs would not be an upgrade at least in terms of sound quality (though I guess it depends which KRKs you get). But I'd expect your wharfdales and your amp to outperform my Rokit 6's.
Oh right. So I would have to spend serious money to actually upgrade then. Like I said, I probably won't upgrade the gear anyway. Well, I "may" upgrade the speakers, as I have a bit of a B&W fettish, so might replace them with B&W 686's or 685's at some point.
Danae Dumler
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by xs2man
Cheers.

They aint monitors, 15 year old Wharfedale HiFi speakers (Diamond 7.1), run through an even older NAD (SIA 310) HiFi Amp. Does me fine if I'm honest. MAY upgrade to some KRK's at a later date, but probably not.
Pretty sure KRKs would not be an upgrade at least in terms of sound quality (though I guess it depends which KRKs you get). But I'd expect your wharfdales and your amp to outperform my Rokit 6's.
Shan Bauerly
02.05.2013
Originally Posted by hellnegative
Whyd you have to get your coffin custom order bruv? Outside of the states?

Road Ready and Odyssey still sell turntable based coffins out here (Had new ones to display at MBLV this year too).
Cause i wanted a black one with tt in standard mode. Can't do the battle mode thing.
Emelina Chillson
30.04.2013
Ah. I believe both their new cases were only for 12 inch mixers. Makes sense. Dude. You just made me miss using my vestax pmc. Might have to hook it up today for old times sake.
Tamela Batara
30.04.2013
I got a Coffin for 12's and 3 ch mixer in black here (UK). If that's any use? Cheap (-ish).
Emelina Chillson
30.04.2013
Whyd you have to get your coffin custom order bruv? Outside of the states?

Road Ready and Odyssey still sell turntable based coffins out here (Had new ones to display at MBLV this year too).
Mora Sobieck
30.04.2013
Originally Posted by The Mighty FV
if you love vinyl then play it. If you love digital then play it.
The answer to all these retarded "vinyl vs digital" arguments
Shan Bauerly
30.04.2013
I used the S4 with timecode for a bit. Worked fine for me, but I don't scratch (worth a damn.) But yeah, every time I offer to bring the Techs to a gig, 8 out of 10 times they go for it. Most get really excited to know an actual DJ will be there - that's just their perception, of course, I don't mind playing a controller at all. But, people enjoy seeing something for their DJ cash, I believe. Plus, it helps to dilute the Serato Face effect just a little. I just got a new black coffin because it is becoming more frequent, for me. Sad thing is, they actually had to build it to order -

Denon SC 3900 are about as much fun as real Techs, and not nearly as fussy, FWIW.
Emelina Chillson
30.04.2013
I have always and will always keep my turntables closest to the mixer. I love my vinyl way too damned much man. Plus its nice flippin a switch and mixing wihtout having to power on the laptop and booting traktor up.
Hank Guidas
30.04.2013
I understand the OP. I recently got back into vinyl again and it's much more fun imho. But I just need the fix once in a while
Tamela Batara
30.04.2013
Originally Posted by djproben
Pretty sure KRKs would not be an upgrade at least in terms of sound quality (though I guess it depends which KRKs you get). But I'd expect your wharfdales and your amp to outperform my Rokit 6's.
Oh right. So I would have to spend serious money to actually upgrade then. Like I said, I probably won't upgrade the gear anyway. Well, I "may" upgrade the speakers, as I have a bit of a B&W fettish, so might replace them with B&W 686's or 685's at some point.
Danae Dumler
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by xs2man
Cheers.

They aint monitors, 15 year old Wharfedale HiFi speakers (Diamond 7.1), run through an even older NAD (SIA 310) HiFi Amp. Does me fine if I'm honest. MAY upgrade to some KRK's at a later date, but probably not.
Pretty sure KRKs would not be an upgrade at least in terms of sound quality (though I guess it depends which KRKs you get). But I'd expect your wharfdales and your amp to outperform my Rokit 6's.
Darren Teboe
29.04.2013
I'm in the same boat. I have a setup with a pair of 1210's and a DJM 800 that I used to use for gigs, but since it was never wired together at home, I never used it since set up ate up any motivation and creativity I had. I went out and got an S4 so I could play at home after that. It was an amazing piece of kit and I loved what it did, but it just wasn't as much fun for me as the 1:1 setup that decks gave me. I ended up selling my S4, getting a DJM T1 for my gig kit, and now my 800 is my home setup to use with a couple of CDJ's and a turntable. Feels a LOT more fun for me now.

As for some of the comments in this thread, who cares about the negativity. If a person looks down on you for preferring the way that makes this hobby/job more fun, they've lost sight of the reason we are all supposed to be doing it, and their opinion isn't worth much of anything in that department anyhow.
Judi Sissel
29.04.2013
Yeah... sorry guys, I figured after an hour or so, those questions were gonna draw some flack. As I said before though, those are honest questions for me. I dunno... Either the BR Sven Vath set ruined me or I am looking for a reason to let RGAS set in.... or both...
Joesph Kasian
29.04.2013
I have 4 x Technic 1210s and they sit there doing nothing - I moved over to digital because I felt it was time to push my creativity forward. I need new music and new technology to do that and I felt vinyl was too limiting. I had been mixing on it for 10 years though.

Alot of posts I read on here is people overbelieveing about things - stop worrying about what others believe, do what makes you happy in life - if you love vinyl then play it. If you love digital then play it.
Latina Samon
30.04.2013
I can definitely understand the the first poster's sentiments and I've not even started using vinyl yet. I loved my S2 which was the first thing I bought but moved onto CDJs. I go back to my S2 to record mixes with Traktor and it's no where near as fun. I definitely understand the 'lifeless' feeling. I'll probably end up using a Timecode setup, whether that be with turntables or CDJs, to get the best of both worlds.
Tamela Batara
30.04.2013
Cheers.

They aint monitors, 15 year old Wharfedale HiFi speakers (Diamond 7.1), run through an even older NAD (SIA 310) HiFi Amp. Does me fine if I'm honest. MAY upgrade to some KRK's at a later date, but probably not.
Dannie Dimora
30.04.2013
Originally Posted by xs2man
I LOVE my 1210's.

Just to rub it in:




Just go digital WITH 1210's...
GAWD DAYUM that's a nice setup!
Btw, what monitors are those?
Jeffrey Akinsanya
30.04.2013
M447 shures are defo the one to choose... believe the hype.
alot of post have gone off topic lol.

i'm similar to haze i started on turntables when they were industry standard had years gap now trying to get back on it...

theres no need to get defence about it making it a "controller VS turnable", some people will relate some people wont.
this kinda vs saturates the internet if its not fruit its phones if its not phones its tablets etc etc zzzz...zzzzz
Janyce Henningson
30.04.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Wish I could just order some now but my mrs would go BALLISTIC... It's a one in/one out policy at the moment
Originally Posted by Patch

I've got 2xM-447G's sat here mounted on Technics headshells that I haven't even used yet.
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Looking to sell them Patch..?


love it
nayit ruiz jaramillo
30.04.2013
Looking to sell them Patch..?
Brunilda Kora
29.04.2013
skiplessness.

That is a beautiful word.

But, skiplessness is in the hard of the scratcher... (Sometimes).

I've got 2xM-447G's sat here mounted on Technics headshells that I haven't even used yet. I'm just too attached to my Stanton 500AL MKII's...
Lillia Datson
29.04.2013
Im going to agree with the 'more alive' feel for TT's. I got a set to get savvy on them and naturally they kick the S4's to the curb as they are a lot more fun to use. I dont do much mixing above 2 decks anyway, so the S4 will be on the way out for a decent mixer, as the Jogwheels look kind of sad sitting there on their own.

But it's each to their own and style i suppose. Someone who mixes a lot of loops and samples etc wont have the need and feel for TT's where Scratch (naturally!) and blend DJ's may prefer TT's. I certainly do.
Hayden Raugh
29.04.2013
i use 444gs and 447s karlos...

dependent on your level of scratching there isnt much in them at all...

i use the 444gs in the club as they have a warmer sound (when i stick on some actual vinyl and bypass traktor)

best thing is you can us the 47 and 4G stylus on either cart, so you can choose whats best for you
nayit ruiz jaramillo
29.04.2013
Wish I could just order some now but my mrs would go BALLISTIC... It's a one in/one out policy at the moment so I'll shift these Qberts and then get the M447's.
I read that the G's are louder but I definitely want the skiplessness (real word?) of the 477's.
Hayden Raugh
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Don't... just don't entertain him. You do not need to explain yourself to him. He will find something to tug at no matter what you say.

Off topic: How you liking the Shure M447's. Buying some as a soon as I sell my Q.Bert's. The Q's are great, I just fancy a change.
Sorry karlos, i shall refrain from enticing him.

Yeah buddy, the 447s or even the 44Gs are absolutley amazing, once weighted properly you really have to try and skip them. Sound clarity is good on both i believe the G's have a slightly louder signal then the 447s but the 447s have even more 'anti skip'

both are great especailly if your using DVS
Lilliana Perris
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by haze324
I had some Orotofon Concorde Nightclubs, never used Q-berts.....much prefer the M447's. Cheaper as well!
I have never tried the M447's. But have Ortofon Concorde Electro's and Scratch's (them pink ones).

Both seem really nice to me. Dont get much skipping etc. BUT....I don't play out on TT's. Just at home for fun.
Lilliana Perris
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by haze324
I don't get it either. Plenty of us will not agree and that's cool, and I'm sure some folks feel very strongly about their opinion, and even sometimes the bickering is entertainig and even educational --- but I just don't get the negativity?

Oh and I checked out the set you posted on the other thread. I've never really listened to Psy before --- couldn't tell if you were on 2 decks or 12! I guess that's a good thing It was a fun listen.
Ahh cheers dude.
Yeah...was just going balls to the wall there.

2 track decks playing them songs and a 3rd with a loop on it and 4th deck with samples.

Nothing MAJOR...but proving to the nay-sayers here locally that you CAN play 4 deck Psy....albeit it not being 4 songs at once.

Only Minimal Tech sounds good like that...to me anyways.

Julissa Serrone
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos

Off topic: How you liking the Shure M447's. Buying some as a soon as I sell my Q.Bert's. The Q's are great, I just fancy a change.
I had some Orotofon Concorde Nightclubs, never used Q-berts.....much prefer the M447's. Cheaper as well!
Julissa Serrone
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by sarasin
Geeez....so many Negative Nancies on this site lately.
I don't get it either. Plenty of us will not agree and that's cool, and I'm sure some folks feel very strongly about their opinion, and even sometimes the bickering is entertainig and even educational --- but I just don't get the negativity?

Oh and I checked out the set you posted on the other thread. I've never really listened to Psy before --- couldn't tell if you were on 2 decks or 12! I guess that's a good thing It was a fun listen.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by city_boy07
Dont know, jus the fact ive never had a problem in my 7 years of using OS that makes me stick with it.
Don't... just don't entertain him. You do not need to explain yourself to him. He will find something to tug at no matter what you say.

Off topic: How you liking the Shure M447's. Buying some as a soon as I sell my Q.Bert's. The Q's are great, I just fancy a change.
Lilliana Perris
29.04.2013
Geeez....so many Negative Nancies on this site lately.

Trolls...and people just wanting to argue.

Why?

Don't you have anything better to do?

FFS....

*Not directing at you Haze....*
Hayden Raugh
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by balakoth
Any two bit refurbished pc would run better and cheaper than a Mac mini. Seriously. Is it the operating system that gets you people to pay double markup or what.
Dont know, jus the fact ive never had a problem in my 7 years of using OS that makes me stick with it.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by balakoth
Any two bit refurbished pc would run better and cheaper than a Mac mini. Seriously. Is it the operating system that gets you people to pay double markup or what.
It was because I wanted to use Logic and my mate is a Logic tutor. Logic won't work with a "two bit refurbished pc" or any PC... Try to read and understand the whole post before you pour your usual bile on something.
Julissa Serrone
29.04.2013
I'll send you some chocoloate sunshine --- sounds like your inner child is hurt.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by haze324
Sounds like you are the one with the egotistical and short sided view pal. You choose to quote what I said and perhaps don't agree with what I'm writing ---- but the topic of this thread is exactly what I'm relaying to the guy who asked above.

To give you some background because it seems like you know plenty about me from your post. I played on 1200's when I was a teen in the mid-90's and stopped DJing all together for about 10 years. Decided to take it up as a hobby at some point and bought a controller. It was cool, easy, and like most who get a controller now a days it was easy to play some tunes at the house and for friends. I got all into traktor, developed plenty of custom mappings, shared them with the community , etc. ended up with the CDJ's for a while, tried those, and although fun....it wasn't until i got some 1200's nearly 15 years since I had played on one that I really enjoyed playing tunes. Same goes for SSL, i prefer it to Traktor. It's no ego my man ----- it's choices, tastes, likes, etc.

...plenty of other folks on this community have expressed the same "feeling" when using tables vs. a controller.
Well I wrote a response.. but eh its not worth it.. you can't read, you are making generalized statements, and now need to defend your "personal" life to me because I some how mentioned a damn thing about it in my post. In the future ill remember not to quote those who are going to take general quotes (referring to the MANY lifeless comments in this thread) and get but hurt over them on a personal level

What a joke, lol
Julissa Serrone
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by balakoth
Ill never get this line of believeing "it doesnt feel the same". Of course it doesnt, but because of your egotistical view towards a turntable or how it should "feel" you in no way help advance the current future. Or attempting to advance your own understanding of it.

Sounds like you are the one with the egotistical and short sided view pal. You choose to quote what I said and perhaps don't agree with what I'm writing ---- but the topic of this thread is exactly what I'm relaying to the guy who asked above.

To give you some background because it seems like you know plenty about me from your post. I played on 1200's when I was a teen in the mid-90's and stopped DJing all together for about 10 years. Decided to take it up as a hobby at some point and bought a controller. It was cool, easy, and like most who get a controller now a days it was easy to play some tunes at the house and for friends. I got all into traktor, developed plenty of custom mappings, shared them with the community , etc. ended up with the CDJ's for a while, tried those, and although fun....it wasn't until i got some 1200's nearly 15 years since I had played on one that I really enjoyed playing tunes. Same goes for SSL, i prefer it to Traktor. It's no ego my man ----- it's choices, tastes, likes, etc.

...plenty of other folks on this community have expressed the same "feeling" when using tables vs. a controller.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
29.04.2013
Originally Posted by haze324
Yes. Honest answer is after playing on tons of different controllers and set-ups, including an S4....and man I tried to love that S4, came up with user mappings, etc. it all felt "lifeless" compared to a turntable. Same as having to midimap, and prepapring samples....felt as if I was more focused on computer programming than music.
See the issue I have with this.. Do people not realize if you are going to change methods to madess, you actually have to change the method?

I feel alot more "alive" and in control, doing alot more things with my Traktor setup. If you expect to go from vinyl to a digital setup and some how work it the same way to create the same feeling, you are far far far mistaken.

Ill never get this line of believeing "it doesnt feel the same". Of course it doesnt, but because of your egotistical view towards a turntable or how it should "feel" you in no way help advance the current future. Or attempting to advance your own understanding of it.

Turntable away, they are great for the bedroom. You would never catch me hauling a 1210 to a club now a days, and i believe even 2 clubs here even have a pair of house tables anymore.

For the sake of fun and progression of your own mixing, TTs are great, they arent practical now a days for a standard club dj

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