Which laptop is better for Traktor Pro 2.6.1...i3/6GB or i5/4GB? If want to run Traktor Pro 2.6.1 with just doing 2 decks which laptop configuration would be better for me as far as speed, power, and low latency assuming that the RAM on both machines are not upgradeable.
A 3rd Gen i3-3227U with 6GB RAM or 3rd Gen i5-3337U with 4GB RAM?
Would the extra 2GB RAM with the i3 offset the power of the i5 or i5 would be a much powerful machine even with just 4GB? |
Dannie Dimora
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by joemann002
I was leaning in the direction of the Lenovo as well since it will have better build quality, has the i5, and 24GB SSD. I believe the i5 with turbo and 4GB of RAM should be plenty for mixing with TP and a few other things as well.
You'll be fine with the lenovo
Also, i'd suggest downgrading do w7, unless you plan on making extensive use of the touch screen.
When, in a couple years time, you'll feel it getting heavy, just add more ram |
Alberta Cuttler
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by Polygon
OP: get the lenovo, i hate hp's build quality in non-probook models..
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
HP sucks. Get Lenovo.
Never buying another HP again.
I was leaning in the direction of the Lenovo as well since it will have better build quality, has the i5, and 24GB SSD. I believe the i5 with turbo and 4GB of RAM should be plenty for mixing with TP and a few other things as well. |
Dannie Dimora
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by jhoward06
You're believeing of desktop models in which the i5 does not feature hyper threading because it's a native quad core. The i5 laptop line has hyper threading to simulate four cores but it's actually a dual core. The i7 line unless noted with a Q in the product name is actually a dual core as well with hyper threading. The architecture is the same in all lines assuming they're all sandy or ivy etc.
I expressed myself badly, not a different architecture, but a much more watered down one.
And no, i was talking about mobile processors Go compare some i5 and i3, the performance gap is massive |
Alberta Cuttler
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Looks like it is an error. So no Turbo Boost with the i3 at 1.9GHz while the i5 at 1.8GHZ can be boosted up to 2.7GHz. So that should be a big advantage over the i3 I assume. |
Cora Younginer
30.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by Polygon
Lol. I5 all the way.
An i5 is basically an i7 that is factory-set not to have hyperthreading and some advanced functions. But at the core they're practically the same.
An i3 is a completely different architecture, slower, stupider.
Ram isn't half as important as the cpu. Unless you have massive libraries. But believe about this: your ram, you can upgrade; while your cpu you cannot. And your warranty's going to expire in 2yrs max. anyways, so opening up the laptop to upgrade the ram will not void anything. Until then, 4gb will be plenty, thanks to win's memory management, as mdcdesign stated.
You're believeing of desktop models in which the i5 does not feature hyper threading because it's a native quad core. The i5 laptop line has hyper threading to simulate four cores but it's actually a dual core. The i7 line unless noted with a Q in the product name is actually a dual core as well with hyper threading. The architecture is the same in all lines assuming they're all sandy or ivy etc. |
Alberta Cuttler
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
The fact still stands that the only difference between the two processors in question is the Turbo Boost, which is not a particularly useful feature for consistent audio performance.
Well both machines seem to have turbo boost feature. The two machines I'm comparing are these two:
http://www.staples.com/Lenovo-IdeaPa...product_141488
http://www.staples.com/HP-Pavilion-1...product_193666
The Lenovo does have a 24GB SSD drive. |
Dannie Dimora
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
The fact still stands that the only difference between the two processors in question is the Turbo Boost, which is not a particularly useful feature for consistent audio performance.
I know one thing: that i hate having non-responsive machines. And i've extensively used i3s, i5s and i7s. And while dualcore i7 and i5s are practically identical in terms of responsiveness, and i3s always feel sluggish and slow. So if i were the OP, i'd definitely get the i5 over the i3, based on my needs. |
Dannie Dimora
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by joemann002
I was leaning in the direction of the Lenovo as well since it will have better build quality, has the i5, and 24GB SSD. I believe the i5 with turbo and 4GB of RAM should be plenty for mixing with TP and a few other things as well.
You'll be fine with the lenovo
Also, i'd suggest downgrading do w7, unless you plan on making extensive use of the touch screen.
When, in a couple years time, you'll feel it getting heavy, just add more ram |
Alberta Cuttler
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by Polygon
OP: get the lenovo, i hate hp's build quality in non-probook models..
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
HP sucks. Get Lenovo.
Never buying another HP again.
I was leaning in the direction of the Lenovo as well since it will have better build quality, has the i5, and 24GB SSD. I believe the i5 with turbo and 4GB of RAM should be plenty for mixing with TP and a few other things as well. |
Gaynell Rydberg
29.05.2013 | HP sucks. Get Lenovo.
Never buying another HP again. |
Dannie Dimora
29.05.2013 | OP: get the lenovo, i hate hp's build quality in non-probook models.. |
Dannie Dimora
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by jhoward06
You're believeing of desktop models in which the i5 does not feature hyper threading because it's a native quad core. The i5 laptop line has hyper threading to simulate four cores but it's actually a dual core. The i7 line unless noted with a Q in the product name is actually a dual core as well with hyper threading. The architecture is the same in all lines assuming they're all sandy or ivy etc.
I expressed myself badly, not a different architecture, but a much more watered down one.
And no, i was talking about mobile processors Go compare some i5 and i3, the performance gap is massive |
Alberta Cuttler
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Looks like it is an error. So no Turbo Boost with the i3 at 1.9GHz while the i5 at 1.8GHZ can be boosted up to 2.7GHz. So that should be a big advantage over the i3 I assume. |
Alphonso Deitchman
30.05.2013 | All of the mobile Ivy Bridge i processors have hyperthreading now, so the differences between the tiers isn't as significant as before. |
Cora Younginer
30.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by Polygon
Lol. I5 all the way.
An i5 is basically an i7 that is factory-set not to have hyperthreading and some advanced functions. But at the core they're practically the same.
An i3 is a completely different architecture, slower, stupider.
Ram isn't half as important as the cpu. Unless you have massive libraries. But believe about this: your ram, you can upgrade; while your cpu you cannot. And your warranty's going to expire in 2yrs max. anyways, so opening up the laptop to upgrade the ram will not void anything. Until then, 4gb will be plenty, thanks to win's memory management, as mdcdesign stated.
You're believeing of desktop models in which the i5 does not feature hyper threading because it's a native quad core. The i5 laptop line has hyper threading to simulate four cores but it's actually a dual core. The i7 line unless noted with a Q in the product name is actually a dual core as well with hyper threading. The architecture is the same in all lines assuming they're all sandy or ivy etc. |
Alphonso Deitchman
30.05.2013 | Looks like an error on the Staples website then, the i3 won't have Turbo.
http://ark.intel.com/products/72057/...Cache-1_90-GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/72055/ |
Alberta Cuttler
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
The fact still stands that the only difference between the two processors in question is the Turbo Boost, which is not a particularly useful feature for consistent audio performance.
Well both machines seem to have turbo boost feature. The two machines I'm comparing are these two:
http://www.staples.com/Lenovo-IdeaPa...product_141488
http://www.staples.com/HP-Pavilion-1...product_193666
The Lenovo does have a 24GB SSD drive. |
Dannie Dimora
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
The fact still stands that the only difference between the two processors in question is the Turbo Boost, which is not a particularly useful feature for consistent audio performance.
I know one thing: that i hate having non-responsive machines. And i've extensively used i3s, i5s and i7s. And while dualcore i7 and i5s are practically identical in terms of responsiveness, and i3s always feel sluggish and slow. So if i were the OP, i'd definitely get the i5 over the i3, based on my needs. |
Olin Easley
29.05.2013 | There's hardly any difference between the two computers, so pick whichever you want. (unless there's a difference in the GPU and/or HDD, but I doubt that) Also, CPU speed doesn't matter nowadays cos processors are so fast that it's actually memory read/write speed which matters. |
Alphonso Deitchman
29.05.2013 | The fact still stands that the only difference between the two processors in question is the Turbo Boost, which is not a particularly useful feature for consistent audio performance. |
Dannie Dimora
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
The i3 is not a "different architecture" and the only difference between the two processors in this topic is the ability to auto-overclock (Turbo Boost). The i5 is not a 2.7GHz processor - its base clock speed is actually 1.8GHz vs the 1.9GHz of the i3.
It looks like the RAM in both machines is in fact upgradeable so that whole point is insignificant.
Ok, i may have phrased my post wrongly, but the fact still stands: differences between i3 and i5 are abyssal when compared to those between i5 and i7. |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
You must be trolling again.
Who in the world with half a brain would use IE...
Nah, I just want to know what half wit Technical college he went to that would feed his brain such rubbish about Windows and application design/programming |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by haze324
man all this talk about ram and processors.....the real answer is get the one that is made by Apple.
Lemme reword that for you "Overpay for a machine because you are to lazy to do research" :P |
Gaynell Rydberg
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
IE doesn't. Plus, what most people don't realise is that due to the way Windows manages memory, applications SCALE to the available memory on each system. An application which uses 200mb of RAM on a system with 4GB will use 50mb on one with only a gig.
You must be trolling again.
Who in the world with half a brain would use IE... |
Alphonso Deitchman
29.05.2013 | The i3 is not a "different architecture" and the only difference between the two processors in this topic is the ability to auto-overclock (Turbo Boost). The i5 is not a 2.7GHz processor - its base clock speed is actually 1.8GHz vs the 1.9GHz of the i3.
It looks like the RAM in both machines is in fact upgradeable so that whole point is insignificant. |
Dannie Dimora
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
IE
Really? |
Dannie Dimora
29.05.2013 | Lol. I5 all the way.
An i5 is basically an i7 that is factory-set not to have hyperthreading and some advanced functions. But at the core they're practically the same.
An i3 is a completely different architecture, slower, stupider.
Ram isn't half as important as the cpu. Unless you have massive libraries. But believe about this: your ram, you can upgrade; while your cpu you cannot. And your warranty's going to expire in 2yrs max. anyways, so opening up the laptop to upgrade the ram will not void anything. Until then, 4gb will be plenty, thanks to win's memory management, as mdcdesign stated. |
Latoria Kavulich
29.05.2013 | 4 gb ram at the absolute minimum. |
Doreen Schurle
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by joemann002
So with your 13.3" MBP no issue with running TP and screen size is not a problem?
Between the two laptops that I'm debating the i5/4gb is 13.3 while the i3/6gb is 14".
Ideally I'd like a bigger screen but as long as it's not TOO far away from you it'll be okay. The difference between 13 and 14 isn't really that significant tbh. Ideally I'd like a 15" tablet, but since there aren't any on the market yet - and unlikely to be any cheaply available any time soon - I'll most likely save up for the Dell XPS 18. |
Alberta Cuttler
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
I use a 2012 MBP 13" currently, and I hate it. Absolutely hate it with a passion. The ONLY reason I use it is because it was free; if I'd had to go out and BUY something, I'd have gotten myself a ThinkPad or a Vaio.
So with your 13.3" MBP no issue with running TP and screen size is not a problem?
Between the two laptops that I'm debating the i5/4gb is 13.3 while the i3/6gb is 14". |
Doreen Schurle
29.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by haze324
OP -- I hear ya man. A deal is a deal, and by no means is this a Mac vs PC debate. Get what you can afford.
However, if I was gigging out 3-4 times a week and the most critical piece of gear I had was the brains of the operation -- my laptop, I would not shortchange on that piece of gear.
I use a 2012 MBP 13" currently, and I hate it. Absolutely hate it with a passion. The ONLY reason I use it is because it was free; if I'd had to go out and BUY something, I'd have gotten myself a ThinkPad or a Vaio. |
Julissa Serrone
28.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by hellnegative
you can get away with a lot on a windows system utilizing msconfig.
OP -- I hear ya man. A deal is a deal, and by no means is this a Mac vs PC debate. Get what you can afford.
However, if I was gigging out 3-4 times a week and the most critical piece of gear I had was the brains of the operation -- my laptop, I would not shortchange on that piece of gear. |
Alberta Cuttler
28.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by haze324
man all this talk about ram and processors.....the real answer is get the one that is made by Apple.
Well it is tough to pass on i5/4gb Lenovo Touch Screen laptop for $260 brand new. Ya if I had spent like $600-$700 for this one (which it is normally sellng for) I then would have considered a MBP 13.3". |
Emelina Chillson
28.05.2013 | I disagree with the apple statement. Honestly its about preference. With general knowledge of what is needed to run the system minimally, you can get away with a lot on a windows system utilizing msconfig. |
Julissa Serrone
28.05.2013 | man all this talk about ram and processors.....the real answer is get the one that is made by Apple. |
Doreen Schurle
28.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
I can barely use my computer with 4 GB of ram.
Chrome and all the web browsers eat up way too much memory now. If you're using just Traktor, that's another thing, but you need at minimum 4 GB of ram if you plan to use the computer daily.
IE doesn't. Plus, what most people don't realise is that due to the way Windows manages memory, applications SCALE to the available memory on each system. An application which uses 200mb of RAM on a system with 4GB will use 50mb on one with only a gig. |
Gaynell Rydberg
28.05.2013 | I can barely use my computer with 4 GB of ram.
Chrome and all the web browsers eat up way too much memory now. If you're using just Traktor, that's another thing, but you need at minimum 4 GB of ram if you plan to use the computer daily. |
Doreen Schurle
28.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by smittten
I'd be very interested to see some screenshots of this. Can you share?
I'd have to install it in a VM but I'll see what I can do tomorrow Still got 400 photos from the weekend to edit haha |
Len Lukawski
28.05.2013 | I'd be very interested to see some screenshots of this. Can you share? |
Doreen Schurle
28.05.2013 |
Originally Posted by smittten
I agree that ram is the cheapest and often easiest thing to upgrade. "Anything over 1 GB" being fine is not accurate. I've tested more laptops with Traktor than I care to believe about and none of them use less than 1GB. Unless you are going to strip out the OS (which is I recommend) their shipped state often requires more than 1.5GB, check my s4 sticky and the optimization articles on the blog.
On a system with less than 1GB of RAM, Windows 7/8 will use less than 100mb of RAM. the 900-odd you're left with is plenty to run Traktor with a full 4 deck setup, all 4 effects units, even remix decks.
People often under-estimate memory management on Windows. |
