dubfire mixing technique Hey guys,
i would like to know how a dj like dubfire or other techno djs like hawtin etc. mix? do they use loops only? how do they arrange things so that they sound well together? which transitions between tracks du they use?
i can not really find much about techno mixing techniques. so it would be great to hear some secrets etc.
thanks! |
Efrain Scharr
11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by CodeMorse
...with regards to boring or not, it's more down to taste than anything else...
This. |
Efrain Scharr
11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
haha |
Jetta Drenzek
09.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Anyone who buys one of those needs to give their head a good wobble. |
Margaretta Hebenstreit
09.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
oh wow that is sad... and the tracks are not even good... |
Kristofer Krauel
08.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by xonetacular
wow! |
Verlene Geevarghese
08.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by keithace
oh no no no
I was using charlie may as an example...my friend produced for a big name out of LA...
Ah, okay. Was about to say, you have a very famous good friend! |
Margie Pavell
07.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by geminimech
You're good friends with Charlie May? Is he a good chap? I know he's produced tracks with and for Sasha with Barry Jamieson, is this the 'big name' you speak of?
oh no no no
I was using charlie may as an example...my friend produced for a big name out of LA... |
Joetta Zhuk
07.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Do some research instead of living in a bubble where you need all of your information spoon fed. Like i said there are plenty of articles out there, if you want to read one go google it. I have written tracks for people, I have friend's who have written tracks for people... Like others have said here, when you ghost write a track an artist is paying you to make a track and keep your name out of it... You can possibly be this naive?
I know there are people that ghostwrite tracks for artist, but what I was referring to is this:
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Some of the Drumcode artists don't even produce their own tracks.
I can't find any specific evidence for this, because it's not there.
I'm simply asking questions. |
Efrain Scharr
07.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Hermes
You talk a lot, but you tell nothing.
Do some research instead of living in a bubble where you need all of your information spoon fed. Like i said there are plenty of articles out there, if you want to read one go google it. I have written tracks for people, I have friend's who have written tracks for people... Like others have said here, when you ghost write a track an artist is paying you to make a track and keep your name out of it... You can possibly be this naive? |
Julissa Serrone
05.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Hermes
You talk a lot, but you tell nothing.
You talk alot but don't search much. Google is your friend. |
Margie Pavell
05.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Hermes
You talk a lot, but you tell nothing.
I have a good friend from Los Angeles that has produced tracks for big names and he wasnt allowed to put his name on it because they wanted the big name to get recognition for it. Which is fine he says "I got paid well".
Please google "Charlie May" |
Bunny Sockel
04.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Oleboi
shame on all of you who say hawtin and dubfire are boring. it takes extensive knowledge of music to really appreciate their sounds. Not only is dubfire amazing, his label sci-tec puts out so much fire its ridiculous. Shaded (half of shdwplay) and carlo lio are his prized players at the moment and their sounds push the barrier of minimal music imo. the dolphins, the junkies, macronism, i believe the only reason dubfires not so "hot" anymore is because hes marketing his label and trying to promote everyone rather than him. Hes only released a handful of tracks within a couple years but hes still in the tops for me. if you like gaiser youd love shaded. Shaded works with a cntrl:R like a mad scientist its intense. I was at exchange in la a while back and saw the three go at it and quite honestly it was a spaceship party it was mental. I guess i can understand why some would not enjoy a hawtin set only because his style is very abstract but to say hes not talented is a farce. hawtin's use of technology is extraterrestrial. i dont know any artist that has done something like hawtin did with contakt back in like 2009 or whatever, that takes talent. not trying to hate whatsoever everyones entitled to their opinion but id give them another chance. maybe try and give a listen to their recent sets?
dubs set at wmc was more deep which i really enjoyed
I love shaded love bug and be my Binge are regular tracks in my sets, the junkies and dolphins are releasing crazy stuff at the moment as well. I agree with you about Hawtin and Dubfire their styles are crazy and something I've been doing something similar for awhile (it's not easy what they are doing). I love how when Dubfire plays long sets he usually starts very deep and minimal and then kills it towards the end. |
Joetta Zhuk
04.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
There have been a handful of articles in the past few years exposing this... As a producer who has produced tracks for others for money I can confirm that this happens. Some people just don't know.(
You talk a lot, but you tell nothing. |
Efrain Scharr
11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by CodeMorse
...with regards to boring or not, it's more down to taste than anything else...
This. |
Efrain Scharr
11.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
haha |
Verlene Geevarghese
11.06.2013 | You could be hand tossing pizza crust behind the decks for all I care, just make sure your set doesn't bore me off the floor. |
Shaquana Wesselhoff
11.06.2013 | Is it really so much about what they use or what comes out of the speakers?
I saw Mike Denhert a while back and I was stunned by what he was doing compared to what was coming out of the sound system.
with regards to boring or not, it's more down to taste than anything else, track selection and flow are the most important thing imo, the fx and tricks are very much the cherry on the cake, no? |
Jetta Drenzek
09.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Anyone who buys one of those needs to give their head a good wobble. |
Margaretta Hebenstreit
09.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
oh wow that is sad... and the tracks are not even good... |
Kristofer Krauel
08.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by xonetacular
wow! |
Verlene Geevarghese
08.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by keithace
oh no no no
I was using charlie may as an example...my friend produced for a big name out of LA...
Ah, okay. Was about to say, you have a very famous good friend! |
Romelia Stankard
08.06.2013 | speaking of ghost productions- now for only $450 or $550 you can buy your very own tech house track
http://www.producerfactory.com/products.php?cat_id=3 |
Margie Pavell
07.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by geminimech
You're good friends with Charlie May? Is he a good chap? I know he's produced tracks with and for Sasha with Barry Jamieson, is this the 'big name' you speak of?
oh no no no
I was using charlie may as an example...my friend produced for a big name out of LA... |
Joetta Zhuk
07.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Do some research instead of living in a bubble where you need all of your information spoon fed. Like i said there are plenty of articles out there, if you want to read one go google it. I have written tracks for people, I have friend's who have written tracks for people... Like others have said here, when you ghost write a track an artist is paying you to make a track and keep your name out of it... You can possibly be this naive?
I know there are people that ghostwrite tracks for artist, but what I was referring to is this:
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Some of the Drumcode artists don't even produce their own tracks.
I can't find any specific evidence for this, because it's not there.
I'm simply asking questions. |
Efrain Scharr
07.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Hermes
You talk a lot, but you tell nothing.
Do some research instead of living in a bubble where you need all of your information spoon fed. Like i said there are plenty of articles out there, if you want to read one go google it. I have written tracks for people, I have friend's who have written tracks for people... Like others have said here, when you ghost write a track an artist is paying you to make a track and keep your name out of it... You can possibly be this naive? |
Julissa Serrone
05.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Hermes
You talk a lot, but you tell nothing.
You talk alot but don't search much. Google is your friend. |
Johnetta Olewine
05.06.2013 | Its well known that May has produced "with" Sasha since before time.
And despite the frothing about how genius the guy is, Dubfire is pretty much the single most boring DJ I have ever seen. And I've seen him twice to give him the benefit of the doubt. All hype no fucking substance. |
Verlene Geevarghese
05.06.2013 | You're good friends with Charlie May? Is he a good chap? I know he's produced tracks with and for Sasha with Barry Jamieson, is this the 'big name' you speak of? |
Margie Pavell
05.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Hermes
You talk a lot, but you tell nothing.
I have a good friend from Los Angeles that has produced tracks for big names and he wasnt allowed to put his name on it because they wanted the big name to get recognition for it. Which is fine he says "I got paid well".
Please google "Charlie May" |
Bunny Sockel
04.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Oleboi
shame on all of you who say hawtin and dubfire are boring. it takes extensive knowledge of music to really appreciate their sounds. Not only is dubfire amazing, his label sci-tec puts out so much fire its ridiculous. Shaded (half of shdwplay) and carlo lio are his prized players at the moment and their sounds push the barrier of minimal music imo. the dolphins, the junkies, macronism, i believe the only reason dubfires not so "hot" anymore is because hes marketing his label and trying to promote everyone rather than him. Hes only released a handful of tracks within a couple years but hes still in the tops for me. if you like gaiser youd love shaded. Shaded works with a cntrl:R like a mad scientist its intense. I was at exchange in la a while back and saw the three go at it and quite honestly it was a spaceship party it was mental. I guess i can understand why some would not enjoy a hawtin set only because his style is very abstract but to say hes not talented is a farce. hawtin's use of technology is extraterrestrial. i dont know any artist that has done something like hawtin did with contakt back in like 2009 or whatever, that takes talent. not trying to hate whatsoever everyones entitled to their opinion but id give them another chance. maybe try and give a listen to their recent sets?
dubs set at wmc was more deep which i really enjoyed
I love shaded love bug and be my Binge are regular tracks in my sets, the junkies and dolphins are releasing crazy stuff at the moment as well. I agree with you about Hawtin and Dubfire their styles are crazy and something I've been doing something similar for awhile (it's not easy what they are doing). I love how when Dubfire plays long sets he usually starts very deep and minimal and then kills it towards the end. |
Joetta Zhuk
04.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
There have been a handful of articles in the past few years exposing this... As a producer who has produced tracks for others for money I can confirm that this happens. Some people just don't know.(
You talk a lot, but you tell nothing. |
Olin Easley
04.06.2013 | Noone said Richie Hawtin's not talented. It's just that people are really overrating him and his use of technology. I used to love their mixes and I still enjoy them every now and then, but there are artists who do less in terms of technicality, but end up with better sets. I just believe that Hawtin's too focused on doing as much as he can and not just picking better music. |
Tessa Gerou
04.06.2013 | shame on all of you who say hawtin and dubfire are boring. it takes extensive knowledge of music to really appreciate their sounds. Not only is dubfire amazing, his label sci-tec puts out so much fire its ridiculous. Shaded (half of shdwplay) and carlo lio are his prized players at the moment and their sounds push the barrier of minimal music imo. the dolphins, the junkies, macronism, i believe the only reason dubfires not so "hot" anymore is because hes marketing his label and trying to promote everyone rather than him. Hes only released a handful of tracks within a couple years but hes still in the tops for me. if you like gaiser youd love shaded. Shaded works with a cntrl:R like a mad scientist its intense. I was at exchange in la a while back and saw the three go at it and quite honestly it was a spaceship party it was mental. I guess i can understand why some would not enjoy a hawtin set only because his style is very abstract but to say hes not talented is a farce. hawtin's use of technology is extraterrestrial. i dont know any artist that has done something like hawtin did with contakt back in like 2009 or whatever, that takes talent. not trying to hate whatsoever everyones entitled to their opinion but id give them another chance. maybe try and give a listen to their recent sets?
dubs set at wmc was more deep which i really enjoyed
|
Efrain Scharr
04.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Hermes
If there is so much evidence, why don't you show it to us.
There have been a handful of articles in the past few years exposing this... As a producer who has produced tracks for others for money I can confirm that this happens. Some people just don't know.
Originally Posted by Hermes
The beatport thing was meant sarcasticly, hence the wink. But you're right about the Tale of Us track. It's just easier for those guys to get in the top 10 of the techno genre, than lets say Deep or Tech House. I believe that's the reason. But on the other hand, who is lead by charts when it comes to music selection?
Unfortunately many of the shitty DJs today are lead by the charts... |
Joetta Zhuk
03.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
There is nothing at all bold about his statement. There is plenty of evidence of these guys not making their own tracks as well as a very good handful of other artists in the industry...
If there is so much evidence, why don't you show it to us.
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
No they shouldn't, beatport should just focus more on placing proper techno into the techno genre. For instance that terrible track by Tale of Us that is in beatport top 10 techno has no business being in there... its just pure garbage along with half the other crap clogging up the techno genre.
The major problem that is causing all of this terrible "techno" to be surging through the systems is the lack of talent, or the abunance of no talent artists. Artists without the know how to create good techno tracks, and kids just getting shitty loop packs and believeing they are now producers and releasing junk. There is a true art in knowing how to work hardware as well as how to work a VST and make good sounds and put them together properly. I personally feel the true sound of techno is coming back around again to where it originated from. Proper analog sounds are resurfacing and this is what many of us artists have been pushing for quite some time. To the people who are younger these sounds are a new sound, but in reality is the sound that this genre and most electronic music was built on...
The beatport thing was meant sarcasticly, hence the wink. But you're right about the Tale of Us track. It's just easier for those guys to get in the top 10 of the techno genre, than lets say Deep or Tech House. I believe that's the reason. But on the other hand, who is lead by charts when it comes to music selection? |
Bunny Sockel
03.06.2013 | I'm really loving this sort of minimal/techno at the moment. Gaiser is really original.
|
Efrain Scharr
03.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Hermes
That's a bold statement. Got any names, tracks or, most importantly, evidence?
There is nothing at all bold about his statement. There is plenty of evidence of these guys not making their own tracks as well as a very good handful of other artists in the industry...
Originally Posted by Hermes
Looking at these artists, it's understandable that you don't like Drumcode. Beatport should make up new genres to divide these different kinds of techno
No they shouldn't, beatport should just focus more on placing proper techno into the techno genre. For instance that terrible track by Tale of Us that is in beatport top 10 techno has no business being in there... its just pure garbage along with half the other crap clogging up the techno genre.
The major problem that is causing all of this terrible "techno" to be surging through the systems is the lack of talent, or the abunance of no talent artists. Artists without the know how to create good techno tracks, and kids just getting shitty loop packs and believeing they are now producers and releasing junk. There is a true art in knowing how to work hardware as well as how to work a VST and make good sounds and put them together properly. I personally feel the true sound of techno is coming back around again to where it originated from. Proper analog sounds are resurfacing and this is what many of us artists have been pushing for quite some time. To the people who are younger these sounds are a new sound, but in reality is the sound that this genre and most electronic music was built on... |
Dayle Boyles
03.06.2013 | I saw dubfire live yesterday. And his 2 hour set was great. Not any track that was bad |
Joetta Zhuk
03.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Some of the Drumcode artists don't even produce their own tracks.
That's a bold statement. Got any names, tracks or, most importantly, evidence?
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
People like Mike Parker, Terrence Fixmer, Drumcell, Rod, Perc, Developer, Silent Servant, Xhin, Audio Injection/Truncate, Lucy, Shifted, Dustin Zahn, Raiz, Static Sense, etc.. Plus there are tons of other more underground people all pushing similar interesting sounds.
Looking at these artists, it's understandable that you don't like Drumcode. Beatport should make up new genres to divide these different kinds of techno |
Romelia Stankard
03.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Hermes
I really love the Drumcode sound. Beyer, Fitzpatrick and Capriati are heroes. So which DJs have more interesting sounds in your opinion?
I mean to me what makes techno special is that it's cutting edge, futuristic, experimental, and pushing boundaries. Stuff that often makes you wonder where those sounds came from and has sounds and textures you've never heard before, and isn't necessarily always perfectly clean and shiny. The newer Drumcode sound and the likes of what those people put out has little to none of that- it has no edges and is perfectly smooth and uses all the same sounds and seems to follow a formula that plays it very safe.
It's successful in that it's groovey and well engineered but most of it doesn't really inspire me. I don't believe I've listened to anything from any of those guys lately that has made me stop and wonder how they did something. There's the occasional good drumcode release but that's what i believe of the majority of it. Some of the Drumcode artists don't even produce their own tracks.
Originally Posted by Hermes
So which DJs have more interesting sounds in your opinion?
People like Mike Parker, Terrence Fixmer, Drumcell, Rod, Perc, Developer, Silent Servant, Xhin, Audio Injection/Truncate, Lucy, Shifted, Dustin Zahn, Raiz, Static Sense, etc.. Plus there are tons of other more underground people all pushing similar interesting sounds. |
