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NI, why this? What does this mean? (Z4 speculation)
Posted on: 03.06.2013 by Dannie Dimora
Sooo received this today in the mail.
Seems like they're making room for something.. I just hope we'll know what i'll be soon

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Dannie Dimora
15.06.2013
Originally Posted by KieranSmith
OMG THE KONTROL Y10 HAS JUST BEEN RELEASED! CHECK IT OUT!

That video is frickin' amazing.
Federico Vilas
12.06.2013
Originally Posted by hellnegative
Dj Tech + audio 6 + X1 = $600
Z2 = $600

The advantage the Dj Tech has over the Z2 are the faders. I do love the crossfader int he Z2, but the dj tech does have a smoother and more comfortable feel. The channel faders on the dj tech also have a little less resistance which feels perfect.
Z2 and DJ-Tech have the same crossfader... I didn't like the DJ Tech b/c I prefer a smooth surface instead of the matte surface when scratching... the Z2 tension can be adjusted... I absolutely HATED the line faders on the DJ-Tech

here is the link to the line fader mod for the Z2: CLICK HERE :-D
Libbie Orion
06.06.2013
Originally Posted by djspacecamp
NI always does summer sales of something, it's pretty classic.
Price drop reflected in the DJTT store: https://store.djranking s.com/products/ni-kontrol-z2
maybe they will have a typo on the package and we can get it for pennies
Dannie Dimora
15.06.2013
Originally Posted by KieranSmith
OMG THE KONTROL Y10 HAS JUST BEEN RELEASED! CHECK IT OUT!

That video is frickin' amazing.
Johanna Eggerson
15.06.2013
OMG THE KONTROL Y10 HAS JUST BEEN RELEASED! CHECK IT OUT!

Sina Haggans
15.06.2013
I'd be really intrigued to see the layout of a hypothetical z4, and also find comparisons of sound quality to allen&heath mixers.
Federico Vilas
16.06.2013
Vekked had mentioned on another community that he had bleeding issues BUT I have never personally experienced it. I sold my dif-1s bc I didn't like the height and matte finish... My Z2 should be here by Wednesday so I'm going to test it out... I don't see much of a difference in feel or performance of the mini as opposed to the full version but I do know that Elliot stands behind his products and will make it right if there is an issue
Emelina Chillson
12.06.2013
It could be an issue with wear on the Z2's Ive played on, but both had bleeding issues on the crossfader. The dif 1s I messed around on was brand new. If this is an issue with the innofader mini that sucks.
Federico Vilas
12.06.2013
Originally Posted by hellnegative
Dj Tech + audio 6 + X1 = $600
Z2 = $600

The advantage the Dj Tech has over the Z2 are the faders. I do love the crossfader int he Z2, but the dj tech does have a smoother and more comfortable feel. The channel faders on the dj tech also have a little less resistance which feels perfect.
Z2 and DJ-Tech have the same crossfader... I didn't like the DJ Tech b/c I prefer a smooth surface instead of the matte surface when scratching... the Z2 tension can be adjusted... I absolutely HATED the line faders on the DJ-Tech

here is the link to the line fader mod for the Z2: CLICK HERE :-D
Libbie Orion
06.06.2013
Originally Posted by djspacecamp
NI always does summer sales of something, it's pretty classic.
Price drop reflected in the DJTT store: https://store.djranking s.com/products/ni-kontrol-z2
maybe they will have a typo on the package and we can get it for pennies
Lang Abriel
06.06.2013
I don't believe this will affect the Z2 sales at all...even if the prices come out to be equal, the integration of the Z2 is definately worth a premium. I will probably pick up the Z2 and it will be about the same amount of work (if not less) to just bring the Z2 to a gig instead of a midi controller and a soundcard (since no djm-900s exist around here). And before someone says it will be impossible to fit in a booth, I don't see that problem with my situation and I am keeping my audio 8 just in case.
Alphonso Deitchman
06.06.2013
The Scratch A6 is $300, the X1 $200, and the TR-1S is $200. =$700
Emelina Chillson
06.06.2013
Dj Tech + audio 6 + X1 = $600
Z2 = $600

The advantage the Dj Tech has over the Z2 are the faders. I do love the crossfader int he Z2, but the dj tech does have a smoother and more comfortable feel. The channel faders on the dj tech also have a little less resistance which feels perfect.
Alphonso Deitchman
06.06.2013
The DJ Tech mixer is just a basic standalone mixer that has additional internal RCA routing to let you switch between regular and timecode vinyl more easily. I doubt it has any impact on the Z2 as they're very different mixers.
Dedra Kreinbring
07.06.2013
I'll PM so as not to hijack thread
Wilson Durrum
07.06.2013
Thanks! I have a gig this weekend so I will still be using my S2 but after that I plan on getting started with the Z2. Which turntables did you get? I am on the fence between a pair of used Technics or new Stantons. I was believeing about the Stanton T62 to keep the cost down and be sure this is the direction I want to go in.
Dedra Kreinbring
07.06.2013
Congrats mate. Mine arrived yesterday (although I am on holiday so haven't managed to have a play yet). I had the same decision, and went for the turntables.
Wilson Durrum
07.06.2013
I just picked up a Z2 from guitar center, with the 15% off coupon the mixer came to $550 with tax. WOO HOO!!! Now I am trying to decide if I want to pick up a pair of cdjs or turntables to go with it.
Brunilda Kora
07.06.2013
Is the DJ Tech Scratch certified?

Won't be much of an issue if Deckadance 2 or VDJ 8 delivers any time soon.....
Dedra Kreinbring
07.06.2013
DJ TECH - TR-1S Thud Rumble Mixer

Maybe the reason for the price drop....
Lang Abriel
05.06.2013
Just to clarify, I'm not hating on the Z2 or potential Z4 from my earlier post. I believe that the Z2 deal right now is far and away a new value in the dj industry that has never been seen. I believe the month of deals will really have an impact on the industry. That being said, I have a similar opinion to others here....NI's next move will be a standalone platter and an updated S4. I have no idea what it will involve or the features but it is the only logical step for them to make. I believe they will release a media player that accepts flash drives but primarily uses HID with traktor. It will be MUCH cheaper than the PIO options but won't play CDs. I would guess it will cost $300 a piece (would make sense to be able to buy an entire traktor setup for $1300). I believe the standalone platters would be a big hit too!

If I had $1000 bucks right now I would be buying the djm 850 as opposed to the Z2 but luckily this deal allows me to afford something new. Next year I will ditch the Z2 and get some 'industry-standard' gear, just need to get my sign on bonus first.
Isa Erik
05.06.2013
Originally Posted by MaxOne
NI gonna bring out an update to S4. I'd love hid platter separates personally
this.
updated S4 or single deck controller.
Brunilda Kora
05.06.2013
Looks abit over engineered to me. But stops scallies from pinching your fader caps!!!

I assume this also stops you being able to fit chroma caps, too?
Hipolito Scionti
05.06.2013
Yeah new pios have P lock shizzle... Much harder to remove
Alphonso Deitchman
05.06.2013
Originally Posted by hellnegative
the djm850 feels good. My only beef with it is that pioneer still has yet to find a way to keep their fader caps from flying off during turntablist routines. haha
Do the caps fall off the 850 that easily? They added "P lock" caps to their newer mixers which are much harder to remove.

As for the audio interfaces I believe the Z2 has an Audio 6, whereas the DJM 850/900 have the equivalent to an Audio 8.
Brunilda Kora
05.06.2013
Been doing this for years. Perfect for "flyaway" fader caps!

I really prefer it to sticking label in record holes, too. Need more thickness? Fold that Rizla in half!
Cassie Sangermano
05.06.2013
Originally Posted by Patch
That's what Rizla's are for!

Well, that and making a nice snug fit between record and spindle.

PRO-TIP: ALWAYS have Rizla's in your DJ bag!
I have never thought about doing that!! The crossfader cap on my MC6000 is a bit loose and falls off sometimes, thats a perfect solution!!
Brunilda Kora
05.06.2013
That's what Rizla's are for!

Well, that and making a nice snug fit between record and spindle.

PRO-TIP: ALWAYS have Rizla's in your DJ bag!
Emelina Chillson
05.06.2013
the djm850 feels good. My only beef with it is that pioneer still has yet to find a way to keep their fader caps from flying off during turntablist routines. haha
Hipolito Scionti
05.06.2013
Originally Posted by Patch
I believe you just convinced me to by a DJM850 (K).

In Black.

To match the Zomo MC-1000 that will be SWEET with the DJM850.

EDIT: I assume that the AI in a Z2 is a Traktor A4? Same components, anyway? Anyone know what the AI is in a DJM850?
Same as a djm900... Basically crystal clear. I did a gig plugging my laptop into djm900 with 2knex in HID with traktor and having the wave forms, playlists in order and browser show up on the cdj display with the mixer working just as it should was far and away the best set up I have ever played on.

DJM 850 is really temping too
Latoria Kavulich
05.06.2013
Do you guys want some bibs? ya'll are droolin.
Brunilda Kora
05.06.2013
Originally Posted by Rukks
Do you believe most dj's would buy a Z2 with four line channels compared to a DJM 850 for $100 more? I know I would still either buy a Z2 or a DJM-700/850/900 if the Z4 was priced at $950 to $1000. Also, to have the Z4 be a club install mixer the quality would need to go up ALOT, so price would need to go up to around $1200...
I believe you just convinced me to by a DJM850 (K).

In Black.

To match the Zomo MC-1000 that will be SWEET with the DJM850.

EDIT: I assume that the AI in a Z2 is a Traktor A4? Same components, anyway? Anyone know what the AI is in a DJM850?
Emelina Chillson
05.06.2013
The Z4 wont happen. Thanks to Pioneer mixers being Scratch Certified it is kinda useless to try and replace them as the industry standard.
Matt Kane
05.06.2013
imho i wouldn
Johnsie Kingrea
04.06.2013
Originally Posted by Rukks
I honestly don't see how NI could/would release a Z4 right now...I have no doubt in my mind they have a fully functional prototype but why/where would they release it in the market?

They won't win club installs yet until there is a high enough market in traktor (like 50% of club djs atleast)....probably why they are dropping the price on the Z2. I could see alot of serato users picking up the Z2 just to try it out at this price, especially believeing the price will go back up and they can get their money back.

So from my opinion, I believe they are just trying to increase market share of traktor. Which is good for current traktor users because it means there may be more clubs with traktor boxes (I have not seen one yet!)

Back to the Z4....the Z2 will go back up to 700 atleast after the sale. So to release a Z4 and have anyone buy the Z2 they will need to price it around $950-$1000(minimum). For that price, the Z4 will be same quality (components) as the Z2.

Do you believe most dj's would buy a Z2 with four line channels compared to a DJM 850 for $100 more? I know I would still either buy a Z2 or a DJM-700/850/900 if the Z4 was priced at $950 to $1000. Also, to have the Z4 be a club install mixer the quality would need to go up ALOT, so price would need to go up to around $1200...

The djm's are already certified so traktor can't win on that feature, so basically they have buttons/integration to compete against pioneers onboard effects/industry leader/higher quality or A&H sound quality/effects/etc. Do you believe they would win?

I welcome all arguments/comments but they better have some solid evidence, not just blah blah blah im an NI fanboy...giving a warning ahead of time so I can bash
While the DJM 850/900 are great Traktor certified mixers, my main issue with them is they have no midi control for Traktor. This requires an additional midi controller such as the X1, which increases the price some more. If NI released a Z4 it would surely have all the necessary midi controls for Traktor. Although you could argue that the DJM 850 is only slightly more, you have to add in the cost of midi controllers for Traktor and this also increases the footprint of your DJ setup (maybe it's just me, but I like my turntables to be as close to the mixer as possible, this is why I love the Z2, the control:size ratio is awesome).

I could see them releasing a Z4 for no more then $1000. They would likely release a new software feature that ties in with the new hardware somehow. The only challenge I see with a Z4 is the size. I'd want full controls and i'd hate for there to be a deck A/C B/D switch like the S4.
Lang Abriel
04.06.2013
I honestly don't see how NI could/would release a Z4 right now...I have no doubt in my mind they have a fully functional prototype but why/where would they release it in the market?

They won't win club installs yet until there is a high enough market in traktor (like 50% of club djs atleast)....probably why they are dropping the price on the Z2. I could see alot of serato users picking up the Z2 just to try it out at this price, especially believeing the price will go back up and they can get their money back.

So from my opinion, I believe they are just trying to increase market share of traktor. Which is good for current traktor users because it means there may be more clubs with traktor boxes (I have not seen one yet!)

Back to the Z4....the Z2 will go back up to 700 atleast after the sale. So to release a Z4 and have anyone buy the Z2 they will need to price it around $950-$1000(minimum). For that price, the Z4 will be same quality (components) as the Z2.

Do you believe most dj's would buy a Z2 with four line channels compared to a DJM 850 for $100 more? I know I would still either buy a Z2 or a DJM-700/850/900 if the Z4 was priced at $950 to $1000. Also, to have the Z4 be a club install mixer the quality would need to go up ALOT, so price would need to go up to around $1200...

The djm's are already certified so traktor can't win on that feature, so basically they have buttons/integration to compete against pioneers onboard effects/industry leader/higher quality or A&H sound quality/effects/etc. Do you believe they would win?

I welcome all arguments/comments but they better have some solid evidence, not just blah blah blah im an NI fanboy...giving a warning ahead of time so I can bash
Hipolito Scionti
04.06.2013
Originally Posted by DarioJ
I say go BIG or RGAS is just gonna rear its ugly head again.
If I thought like that I'd go get this

http://www.decks.co.uk/products/cdpl...n#.Ua58b0C9LCQ

I hear what you're saying though... Honestly I'd take a db2 over a db4 anyway... I prefer the simplicity.

Soz got OT

NI gonna bring out an update to S4. I'd love hid platter separates personally
Gaynell Rydberg
04.06.2013
Originally Posted by willisnz
Lots of people are very happy with their Z2 and as such would not consider it a bad purchase. Not everyone needs a 4 (or even a 2+2) channel mixer.

When you buy any new product you know that at some point the price will come down. Perhaps not this soon. You have a choice to buy it when it comes out or wait in the knowledge that at some point it will be cheaper.

This is not some unique NI business model.
I believe that's why he put bad in quotes. To imply that it's bad for the person selling it.
Sonja Roybal
04.06.2013
There's a used one on EBay for $500 with 31 bids. LOL
Marjorie Fallucca
04.06.2013
Originally Posted by SlayForMoney
true. first they made a "bad" purchase, then they get raped with this price drop.
Lots of people are very happy with their Z2 and as such would not consider it a bad purchase. Not everyone needs a 4 (or even a 2+2) channel mixer.

When you buy any new product you know that at some point the price will come down. Perhaps not this soon. You have a choice to buy it when it comes out or wait in the knowledge that at some point it will be cheaper.

This is not some unique NI business model.

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