Time for a change?
Time for a change? Posted on: 19.06.2013 by Pamala Avilas Hey djranking
ers.For the last few years I've had dj'ing as my main income. I've used a variety of controllers launchpads, triggerfingers, ipads and BCF2k - and I've always been using Ableton as my main software. The reason for this is that I started using Ableton for producing and when I was offered DJ jobs for the first time, I really just stuck to what I know. I've always taken good use of the many features in Ableton, which I cannot dj without, since I do alot of mash-ups and really enjoy it for harmonic mixing. During the years, I've grown more and more fond of old funk, afrobeat and balkan as dancing music. It's been tricky to really incorporate these tracks into my set, since the tracks are really drifting and have a lot of tempo changes. What I'd normally do is sort of "creative solutions" in ableton, where I'd warp the intro and the outro, but it's not flexible enough. A full track warp is not an option, since it really kills the groove and build-up of these songs. For years I've wanted Ableton to incorporate a feature, where the the clips can control the BPM of the Ableton set, but since that ain't happening, I need a new solution. Since I love and know Ableton, I still want it as a part of my setup, but I was believeing of combining it with somekind of DVS, though I'm unsure which one. I'm a record collector, so dj'ing with records (and still being able to use the wav's on vinyl) really appeals to me and "manual" beatmatching is not a must, even though I've never tried it before. What would you recommend to combine with Ableton? It seems like Serato has great integration because of the flawed, even though I'd like Serato in ableton and not the other way around. Is traktor superior in this context? I'm sorry for this long ass post, but I'd really like to hear your input and experiences, when it comes to combining Ableton with a more "classic" dj'ing program. Best regards, Fred | |
| Maryann Afoa 20.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Fredddy
So you could have whatever songs with tempo changes chopped up into different clips and still be able to automate the BPM changes. |
| Pamala Avilas 19.06.2013 | Hey djranking
ers. For the last few years I've had dj'ing as my main income. I've used a variety of controllers launchpads, triggerfingers, ipads and BCF2k - and I've always been using Ableton as my main software. The reason for this is that I started using Ableton for producing and when I was offered DJ jobs for the first time, I really just stuck to what I know. I've always taken good use of the many features in Ableton, which I cannot dj without, since I do alot of mash-ups and really enjoy it for harmonic mixing. During the years, I've grown more and more fond of old funk, afrobeat and balkan as dancing music. It's been tricky to really incorporate these tracks into my set, since the tracks are really drifting and have a lot of tempo changes. What I'd normally do is sort of "creative solutions" in ableton, where I'd warp the intro and the outro, but it's not flexible enough. A full track warp is not an option, since it really kills the groove and build-up of these songs. For years I've wanted Ableton to incorporate a feature, where the the clips can control the BPM of the Ableton set, but since that ain't happening, I need a new solution. Since I love and know Ableton, I still want it as a part of my setup, but I was believeing of combining it with somekind of DVS, though I'm unsure which one. I'm a record collector, so dj'ing with records (and still being able to use the wav's on vinyl) really appeals to me and "manual" beatmatching is not a must, even though I've never tried it before. What would you recommend to combine with Ableton? It seems like Serato has great integration because of the flawed, even though I'd like Serato in ableton and not the other way around. Is traktor superior in this context? I'm sorry for this long ass post, but I'd really like to hear your input and experiences, when it comes to combining Ableton with a more "classic" dj'ing program. Best regards, Fred |
| Pamala Avilas 21.06.2013 | Yeah, but to change during songs is just too tedious. And it doesn't solve my problem with drifting songs where I'd like to maintain the drift. Does no software allow the the songs BPM to be a master of the main BPM, while still maintaining auto beatmatching capabilities? |
| Maryann Afoa 20.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Fredddy
So you could have whatever songs with tempo changes chopped up into different clips and still be able to automate the BPM changes. |
| Gaynell Rydberg 19.06.2013 | If you don't mind learning how to beatmatch, I don't believe the rigid beatgrids in Traktor should really deter you. You can set cue points in advance for where tempo changes occur and just use those as a signal to remind you when you might need to adjust the tempo. |
| Dannie Dimora 20.06.2013 | The bridge isn't a thing anymore. Doesn't work with live9. I'd go with traktorSP and midisync it to ableton... even tho warpable beatgrids ain't happening till 2.7, or even later than that.. Still, i believe the creative effects you can use in traktor and the mapping capabilities are far superior than seratos. |
| Hipolito Scionti 19.06.2013 | I've never used it but isn't there ms pinky you can use with max for live http://mspinky.com/2011/06/28/ms-pinky-max-for-live/ |
| Pamala Avilas 19.06.2013 | And using The Bridge? What is the typical workflow if want to beatmatch a warped ableton track "on time" and a drifting track in Ableton? Would you use a beatgrid in Serato or just completely by ear? |
| Janella Gripe 19.06.2013 | For your situation, I would go with Serato. When it comes down to creativity, Traktor has the upper hand, remixdecks, mappings, effect combo's... But you mentioned you play a lot of tracks with tempo changes. Traktor doesn't have not a flexible beatgrid. So for songs with much tempo changes, Traktor isn't ideal. Serato does have nice flexible beatgridding. |
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