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Kontrol Z2 with Denon SC3900 issues please help

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Kontrol Z2 with Denon SC3900 issues please help Posted on: 21.06.2013 by Wilson Durrum I picked up a Z2 a couple weeks ago when it went on sale. I then ordered a Denon SC3900 and it arrived last evening . I was able to get it to work for the most part but I am having some issues. 1st in the Midi Hybrid mode under preferences on the SC3900 it will not allow me to change the PC/MAC setting to MAC. When I turn the SC3900 on and use the midi mode it links as a PC and will not let me change to a MAC. I have updated the firmware and configured the MAC audio/midi setup on my laptop. The SC3900 midi controls (cue points, loops, browse knob, etc) works in Traktor but it will not let me switch from PC to MAC. 2nd the timecode does not calibrate and is very glitchy. If I run the track deck in thru mode I can hear the hybrid timecode signal coming through and changing when I move the pitch slider. Sometimes the play/cue buttons will start a track, sometimes not. My biggest issue is the pitch slider, it will be at zero (in the middle) but Traktor will show it all the way up or down plus it is greyed out so I cannot change it manually. I have a week before my next gig and would like to use this set up if possible. I do still have my S2 if all else fails. My current set up is a mid 2010 Macbook Pro running the current version of Mountian Lion, Traktor Scratch Pro 2.6 with the Z2 & SC3900. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Wilson Durrum 24.06.2013	Originally Posted by DjLiquitATL ha, that would be NEVER I do have dicers and a maschine mk1 available if you want to get cue/fx crazy I kinda figured that, they look really nice then again blue is my favorite color. I am not much on fx or cue juggling even though I was having fun Saturday on my friends Technics juggling from deck A to B on vinyl.
Federico Vilas 24.06.2013	Originally Posted by DJ G-REG When you are ready to sell your Technics let me know. ha, that would be NEVER I do have dicers and a maschine mk1 available if you want to get cue/fx crazy
Wilson Durrum 24.06.2013	Originally Posted by DjLiquitATL back in the day I would never suggest CDJ's...but i'm growing tired of having to update software and computers every couple of years When you are ready to sell your Technics let me know.
Wilson Durrum 25.06.2013	Originally Posted by GeekGod Glad you got everything sorted! My money would be on the 3900's but then again I am biased as I own a pair I am leaning in that direction.
Federico Vilas 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by DJ G-REG I may just have to buy another one so I do not have to keep switching decks with the one. lol Or you can be a boss like zeke... But you need a really fast and updated cpu
Rosina Steinkuehler 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Better for other software, worse for Traktor. Yep. Mixx works really well with SCS.1D but Traktor not so much. I don't notice any lag at all on my 3900s with 3k timecode. It's quite incredible actually.
Doreen Schurle 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by Hippie The SCS1s don't use timecode or do any timecode magic jiggery pokery via Da Router. They send out hi res midi pulses iirc. He's got the Traktor decks set to scratch control but the play button is lit so he's using midi to control them. According to this article (http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/...ardware-128422) you're right. Unlike many other digital vinyl systems (including FinalScratch), the SCS.1d doesn't send a timecode signal. Stanton says that this ensures that movements on the deck are instantly reflected in your software. That's even better then tbh
Doreen Schurle 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 How does it show the lack of lag? I wasn't aware the 3900 had significant lag issues in Hybrid Mode? The SCS is being used as a basic MIDI controller in that video btw, with no timecode involved. Therefore it will have the same MIDI limitations as any other 3rd party controller in Traktor. No timecode involved? You didn't notice that the top two (playing) decks were in timecode mode?
Alphonso Deitchman 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign From what I can gather, DaRouter generates a timecode signal when the platter is moving; transport controls are handled through MIDI so basically hitting Cue/Play works as normal, but when the platter is up to speed it starts sending timecode. I believe nem0nic knows more about this if someone wants to ask him specifically. Kinda like the SC-3900's hybrid mode, but with transport duties done via MIDI. There's a video here which shows the lack of lag compared to the 3900: How does it show the lack of lag? I wasn't aware the 3900 had significant lag issues in Hybrid Mode? The SCS is being used as a basic MIDI controller in that video btw, with no timecode involved. Therefore it will have the same MIDI limitations as any other 3rd party controller in Traktor.
Wilson Durrum 24.06.2013	Originally Posted by DjLiquitATL ha, that would be NEVER I do have dicers and a maschine mk1 available if you want to get cue/fx crazy I kinda figured that, they look really nice then again blue is my favorite color. I am not much on fx or cue juggling even though I was having fun Saturday on my friends Technics juggling from deck A to B on vinyl.
Federico Vilas 24.06.2013	Originally Posted by DJ G-REG When you are ready to sell your Technics let me know. ha, that would be NEVER I do have dicers and a maschine mk1 available if you want to get cue/fx crazy
Wilson Durrum 24.06.2013	Originally Posted by DjLiquitATL back in the day I would never suggest CDJ's...but i'm growing tired of having to update software and computers every couple of years When you are ready to sell your Technics let me know.
Federico Vilas 24.06.2013	back in the day I would never suggest CDJ's...but i'm growing tired of having to update software and computers every couple of years
Wilson Durrum 25.06.2013	Originally Posted by GeekGod Glad you got everything sorted! My money would be on the 3900's but then again I am biased as I own a pair I am leaning in that direction.
Wilson Durrum 25.06.2013	That is another reason I would like another SC3900 so I would not have to DJ with the laptop if I didnt want too. When I mentioned to a friend of mine about getting the Stanton STR8-150 he told me not to get them and get the Technics. All the old school guys tell me that. lol
Rosina Steinkuehler 25.06.2013	Glad you got everything sorted! My money would be on the 3900's but then again I am biased as I own a pair
Federico Vilas 25.06.2013	all the old heads like me will suggest 1200s BUT I am about to invest in some cdj's or 3900's so I don't have to use my laptop at gigs anymore
Wilson Durrum 24.06.2013	I fixed my timecode issues Saturday with the SC3900. I was using the RCA's that came with the SC3900, sometimes it would work but most of the time the track would play in reverse and the pitch fader would be all the way up or down (within Traktor) and I could not change it. I flipped the RCA's on the mixer and it works perfect now. I did have the red/white in the correct jacks on the mixer and SC3900 but had to flip them to get the timecode to work correctly. I tossed those cables and used another pair just to be sure I have NO more issues. I also went to another DJ's house Saturday to try out his set up, Rane mixer with Serato and two Technics 1200's. I also swapped out mixers so I could use the Z2 with his Technics and I fell in love with this set up so I am ready to say goodbye to my Kontrol S2. lol I am debating now on whether I should send the SC3900 back and get two turntables or just get another SC3900.
Federico Vilas 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by DJ G-REG I may just have to buy another one so I do not have to keep switching decks with the one. lol Or you can be a boss like zeke... But you need a really fast and updated cpu
Tania Somppi 21.06.2013	That sounds about right now. You can switch off the pitch fader display in Traktor's preferences. It's the same with my 3700s in hybrid mode too. The calibration fails cos it's not a real timecode vinyl or CD and Traktor can't work out which track signal it's receiving. So long as the calibration circles are good then you're good to go
Addie Engbrecht 21.06.2013	yea pitch fader will be grayed out since you're using timecode
Wilson Durrum 21.06.2013	I was able to change the computer setting to MAC by not plugging the USB into the computer and not selecting midi on the SC3900. Even though I changed the setting I do not notice any difference. lol I was able to get the timecode working as far as I can tell. It does say calib fail in Traktor but the platter on the SC3900 & Traktor spin and work together. The pitch fader in Traktor is greyed out but works and changes the pitch when I move it on the SC3900. I will say that the integration with Traktor is very tight through midi & timecode. I do not see any lag when I press a cue point, move the platter or hit play on the SC3900 within Traktor. I may just have to buy another one so I do not have to keep switching decks with the one. lol
Rosina Steinkuehler 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Better for other software, worse for Traktor. Yep. Mixx works really well with SCS.1D but Traktor not so much. I don't notice any lag at all on my 3900s with 3k timecode. It's quite incredible actually.
Alphonso Deitchman 21.06.2013	Better for other software, worse for Traktor.
Doreen Schurle 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by Hippie The SCS1s don't use timecode or do any timecode magic jiggery pokery via Da Router. They send out hi res midi pulses iirc. He's got the Traktor decks set to scratch control but the play button is lit so he's using midi to control them. According to this article (http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/...ardware-128422) you're right. Unlike many other digital vinyl systems (including FinalScratch), the SCS.1d doesn't send a timecode signal. Stanton says that this ensures that movements on the deck are instantly reflected in your software. That's even better then tbh
Tania Somppi 21.06.2013	The SCS1s don't use timecode or do any timecode magic jiggery pokery via Da Router. They send out hi res midi pulses iirc. He's got the Traktor decks set to scratch control but the play button is lit so he's using midi to control them.
Alphonso Deitchman 21.06.2013	Could you point out a timestamp that indicates where timecode is being used? Whenever the camera is panned towards the laptop I only see it playing in internal MIDI mode. Do you know what a timecode deck looks like?
Doreen Schurle 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 How does it show the lack of lag? I wasn't aware the 3900 had significant lag issues in Hybrid Mode? The SCS is being used as a basic MIDI controller in that video btw, with no timecode involved. Therefore it will have the same MIDI limitations as any other 3rd party controller in Traktor. No timecode involved? You didn't notice that the top two (playing) decks were in timecode mode?
Alphonso Deitchman 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign From what I can gather, DaRouter generates a timecode signal when the platter is moving; transport controls are handled through MIDI so basically hitting Cue/Play works as normal, but when the platter is up to speed it starts sending timecode. I believe nem0nic knows more about this if someone wants to ask him specifically. Kinda like the SC-3900's hybrid mode, but with transport duties done via MIDI. There's a video here which shows the lack of lag compared to the 3900: How does it show the lack of lag? I wasn't aware the 3900 had significant lag issues in Hybrid Mode? The SCS is being used as a basic MIDI controller in that video btw, with no timecode involved. Therefore it will have the same MIDI limitations as any other 3rd party controller in Traktor.
Addie Engbrecht 21.06.2013	I'm not sure but I believe I remember seeing that the player will not actually say Mac linked after you select Mac. I believe it always says PC. Traktor will always say calibration failed, but it won't affect it's use in hybrid MIDI. Make sure you have the 2.5 KHz setting checked not the 2.0 KHz.
Tania Somppi 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Sounds exactly like ALL timecode setups tbh. Timecode will not start instantly with cue/play the way it does with MIDI controllers, you have to slip-cue. I know someone who wasted
Doreen Schurle 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 If it doesn't have a CD/USB slot then it can't even run timecode, meaning it suffers from the usual Traktor MIDI issues surely? From what I can gather, DaRouter generates a timecode signal when the platter is moving; transport controls are handled through MIDI so basically hitting Cue/Play works as normal, but when the platter is up to speed it starts sending timecode. I believe nem0nic knows more about this if someone wants to ask him specifically. Kinda like the SC-3900's hybrid mode, but with transport duties done via MIDI. There's a video here which shows the lack of lag compared to the 3900:
Alphonso Deitchman 21.06.2013	If it doesn't have a CD/USB slot then it can't even run timecode, meaning it suffers from the usual Traktor MIDI issues surely?
Doreen Schurle 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by GeekGod The SCS.1d is garbage (I am not being dramatic).. I have one sitting here collecting dust. It uses a 3rd party piece of software to sit in between itself and traktor. It crashes all the time by simply speeding up or slowing down the tempo. Avoid it if you are serious about Traktor. Have you tried it with the latest firmware/version of DaRouter? I've heard nothing but good things about it recently... saying that, if you want to sell yours to me for $50 I'll happily take it off your hands
Wilson Durrum 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Hmmm... if I was in your situation, and I wasn't 100% a scratch DJ, the frustrations with timecode would drive me insane to the point where I'd probably buy a different deck. Unfortunately, because Traktor doesn't natively support moving platters, the only real options are the SC-3900 (which still suffers from the timecode issues EVERY other deck does) and the SCS.1d, which - although I could be wrong as I haven't used one in real life - judging from the YouTube videos has a MUCH tighter implementation of a hybrid MIDI/timecode setup. From the looks of it, all the transport controls use MIDI to actually control Traktor, and only use the timecode signal when you're manipulating the platter. Only downside is you have to sacrifice that CD slot, although you could still have someone give you an MP3 on CD or USB stick and load it into Traktor during your set. The place I ordered the SC3900 has a 30-day return policy so if I cannot get the timecode to work or it just drive me crazy I will be returning it. lol I friend of mine uses timecode turntables & cdj with serato and I am planning on getting together with him to compare how serato scratch works compared to traktor scratch. Not that I am planning on switching sides but I would like to compare the two. I have had to load a cd onto my laptop and load into traktor while I was spinning before but I would like to avoid that if possible. I also want to have two cd/media player so I can begin to practice spinning with out using a laptop. I do DJ some places where I would not need my entire libary of music and can just take a select list of tunes with me. I doubt I would ever spin on vinyl but would like to learn from cds or usb drives.
Rosina Steinkuehler 21.06.2013	The SCS.1d is garbage (I am not being dramatic).. I have one sitting here collecting dust. It uses a 3rd party piece of software to sit in between itself and traktor. It crashes all the time by simply speeding up or slowing down the tempo. Avoid it if you are serious about Traktor.
Alphonso Deitchman 21.06.2013	The SC3900 manual seems to suggest that only the Play/Pause button and the pitch fader are used for Timecode, making no mention of the Cue button which is the main issue with timecode. In what way does the SCS.1d have tighter implementation of hybrid timecode?
Doreen Schurle 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by DJ G-REG No, but I want to learn. I am a mobile DJ and was on the fence on whether to get turntables or cdjs. I want to learn how to scratch but I also need a cd player due events and weddings I may need to play a cd so someone can sing or perform. Hmmm... if I was in your situation, and I wasn't 100% a scratch DJ, the frustrations with timecode would drive me insane to the point where I'd probably buy a different deck. Unfortunately, because Traktor doesn't natively support moving platters, the only real options are the SC-3900 (which still suffers from the timecode issues EVERY other deck does) and the SCS.1d, which - although I could be wrong as I haven't used one in real life - judging from the YouTube videos has a MUCH tighter implementation of a hybrid MIDI/timecode setup. From the looks of it, all the transport controls use MIDI to actually control Traktor, and only use the timecode signal when you're manipulating the platter. Only downside is you have to sacrifice that CD slot, although you could still have someone give you an MP3 on CD or USB stick and load it into Traktor during your set.
Wilson Durrum 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Just out of interest, are you a scratch DJ? No, but I want to learn. I am a mobile DJ and was on the fence on whether to get turntables or cdjs. I want to learn how to scratch but I also need a cd player due events and weddings I may need to play a cd so someone can sing or perform.
Doreen Schurle 21.06.2013	Originally Posted by DJ G-REG mdcdesign - I am sure I have a lot to learn going to timecode from a midi controller and there will be some differences. lol Just out of interest, are you a scratch DJ?

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