Timecode Control Toggle
Timecode Control Toggle Posted on: 17.10.2013 by Brunilda Kora Can anyone tell me how I'd set up a switch for toggling between Timecode Control of 2 decks? I want to toggle between Deck B and D.I've had a bash - but I'm getting in all sorts of trouble! The functionality I want (attached to the deck toggle switch on the Zomo MC-1000) is: Timecode control of Deck B. Flick switch, and Deck B switches to internal mode, and Timecode Control switches to Deck D. Flick switch again, and Deck D switches to internal mode, and Deck B switches BACK to timecode control. I had some success - but it started to get confusing when I tried to have Timecode Control turn off and Internal mode turn on on a single deck. This is the key for me to use 4 decks with control vinyl. Can it be done? | |
| Lorri Bobar 18.12.2013 | You were pretty close, just that you weren't switching one deck off when you switched the new deck onto timecode. Here is an edit on the mapping you attached: Timcode Control Switch (PKF) fix.tsi I did the edits in xtreme mapping, so it should work in traktor 2.6.0 and up. |
| Brunilda Kora 08.12.2013 | Nice one trux - check it out: Timcode Control Switch (PKF).tsi |
| Lorri Bobar 23.12.2013 | i played around with switching timecode on synced tracks, and the sync doesn't turn off. in fact if it is out of phase when you switch it slows the record til it catches up to the master track. is that what u are getting? |
| Brunilda Kora 23.12.2013 | Button A Sync Ch01.Note.D#0 Button C Sync Ch03.Note.D#0 Button B Sync Ch02.Note.D#0 Button D Sync Ch04.Note.D#0 I can see now why all you mapping ninjas are complaining about there only being 8 modifiers available!!! |
| Lorri Bobar 23.12.2013 | yeah, its like you need a condition on the reset tempo that says 'if deck # is synced, don't do this'. traktor doesn't natively let u pick that, but it's possible to do, using some pretty crazy modifier magics. what is the button you use for sync? is it the same button for deck A and deck C? |
| Brunilda Kora 23.12.2013 | When a deck changes from Timecode Control to Internal Playback, Sync stays engaged, but it changes from Internal Playback to Timecode control, Sync disengages... So, switching Timecode control over to a deck that is currently in internal playback, will cause sync to disengage. Switching to Internal on a deck that is sync'd, stay's sync'd. |
| Lorri Bobar 23.12.2013 | ah, gotcha... hmm i don't use sync a whole lot so i'll have to do some experimenting. can u explain where the synced deck is and what u are switching to when it turns off? i.e. are u switching your timecode to a playing track that is already sync enabled, or are you switching to internal on a deck that is sync enabled? |
| Brunilda Kora 23.12.2013 | I was believeing more a way of STOPPING it switching off in the first place... |
| Alphonso Deitchman 24.12.2013 | Map Sync On to the switch? |
| Brunilda Kora 24.12.2013 | Hey - I've checked your mapping, and we're NEARLY there (you had the timecode assigned to the wrong side of the switch, though..) The problem I'm having now, is that when you switch between internal and timecode, I start to have sync issues. Sync will turn off during the switch. Any idea how to keep sync engaged during the switch, so that we don't get tracks going out of sync??? |
| Lorri Bobar 18.12.2013 | You were pretty close, just that you weren't switching one deck off when you switched the new deck onto timecode. Here is an edit on the mapping you attached: Timcode Control Switch (PKF) fix.tsi I did the edits in xtreme mapping, so it should work in traktor 2.6.0 and up. |
| Brunilda Kora 08.12.2013 | Nice one trux - check it out: Timcode Control Switch (PKF).tsi |
| Lorri Bobar 08.12.2013 | oops, been so busy i forgot about getting back to u on this stuff. i'm doing some mapping work today to get my new mixer up and running. if u wanna upload your latest mapping i can check it out |
| Brunilda Kora 08.12.2013 | ARGH!!! I'm so close to getting this working I could SCREAM!!! I'm pretty sure I've found a way using NO modifiers, just using Play/Pause and Playback Mode (REL) commands... So close I can taste it! |
| Brunilda Kora 26.10.2013 | Groovy - look forward to it! |
| Lorri Bobar 26.10.2013 | stay tuned, i have done a similar mapping on quneo before - just gonna check it out to see if it will work for you. i believe it will be an easy mapping adjustment for you. |
| Brunilda Kora 26.10.2013 | ^ Yup. |
| Kellie Myrum 26.10.2013 | Well if your hardware says A/C that usually mean this switch must send two different note or at least one same in a different MIDI channels |
| Brunilda Kora 26.10.2013 | Cheers makar1. Switch for Deck A/Deck C Switch in DECK A position: CH01.Note.C#2 Switch in DECK C position: CH01.Note.B1 Switch for Deck B/Deck D Switch in DECK B position: CH01.Note.D2 Switch in DECK D position: CH01.Note.C2 (Just noticed how completely useless my last post was when I tried to describe the switch behaviour...) |
| Alphonso Deitchman 26.10.2013 | My CDJ switches send an "On" when flicked down, and an "Off" when flicked back up. You can check how your switch behaves by using the "Learn" feature in the Traktor Controller Manager, or with a monitoring program like MIDI-OX. If they do in fact send separate notes you can use the modifier that was also within the image I linked. |
| Brunilda Kora 26.10.2013 | Massive thanks to makar1 for the image, and to Stewe for the help too! I'll be back! (I believe the issue here is that the switch send 2 completely separate, different notes when in the up or down position...) Thanks for your patience, guys - I am FAR from an expert in mappings at the moment... (Also, I'm defrosting the fridge and the freezer right now, and my Traktor machine is separate to my internet machine - so I'm doing a bit of juggling over here! Which, coincidentally, is the whole reason I'm trying to create this mapping in the first place!!!) |
| Kellie Myrum 26.10.2013 |
Originally Posted by Patch
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| Kellie Myrum 26.10.2013 | Pat, your Zomo switch act as a toggle type modifier so you wouldn't be needing a mod to achieve this. |
| Alphonso Deitchman 26.10.2013 | This is how my switch mapping looks, with the Invert option at the bottom. What's different in your mapping? http://imgur.com/jrY7NZ0 |
| Brunilda Kora 26.10.2013 | But the invert option only shows up when the button type is set to a different type than "Direct". And I need it set to "Direct" so that I can have Internal Playback/Scratch Control selected. Don't I? |
| Alphonso Deitchman 26.10.2013 | Set both of them as "Button", having one inverted basically combines two button mappings into a Switch mapping. |
| Brunilda Kora 26.10.2013 | I don't get a "switch" option in my controller editor? |
| Alphonso Deitchman 26.10.2013 | If you want to modify a mapping from a pair of buttons to a switch, you map both functions to the switch and select "Invert" for one of them. |
| Brunilda Kora 26.10.2013 | Thanks makar1 - I've had a bash at this and came up with a FAIL. I got REALLY close a couple of times, even when I added in the "Relative" mappings - but I just couldn't get the right behaviour. I'd be really grateful if you could do a more detailed explanation. |
| Alphonso Deitchman 26.10.2013 | Look at my 1st reply. I was using the switch on my CDJs which should behave the same as the one on your Zomo. |
| Brunilda Kora 26.10.2013 | Hey trux - I've recreated your mapping (thanks for the awesome image!) but have run into a problem. I'm using a SWITCH (not Buttons) to toggle vinyl control. For info, the midi messages that the switches send: Switch for Deck A/Deck C Switch in DECK A position: CH01.Note.C#2 Switch in DECK C position: CH01.Note.B1 Switch for Deck A/Deck C Switch in DECK A position: CH01.Note.D2 Switch in DECK C position: CH01.Note.C2 Any idea how I would assign these switches in your mapping? Or does it require a different mapping bearing in mind I'm using a switch, not buttons? |
| Brunilda Kora 24.10.2013 | Haven't had time to try it - but I appreciate the help and will let you know how I get on! |
| Lorri Bobar 24.10.2013 | hey patch, did that work out for you? lemme know if u have any more q's |
| Lorri Bobar 20.10.2013 | so i was told that tsi isn't working for u guys cos it is in latest version. here is a mini tutorial that explains what is in the mapping, it is very easy to recreate howtoSwapTimecodeControl.jpg |
| Brunilda Kora 20.10.2013 | Thanks trux - I'll give that a go today and let you know how I get on! |
| Lorri Bobar 19.10.2013 | yikes, i wouldn't use that tempo adjust, cos you'll be resetting the tempo bend every time u switch. you wanna use deck common > timecode > reset tempo offset. it usually takes a second or two for traktor to 'refresh' the display of tempo offset, but it doesn't matter cos the turntable will be playing at whatever speed u have set it at. anyway, here is a mapping that u can try. I use the deck swap buttons on my Kontrol S4, but you can map these to any buttons - one for switching A & C, one for switching B & D. swapTimecodeControl.tsi so, do a little import of this mapping - and assign one button to all the 'A & C' ones, and a different button to all the 'B & D' ones and let me knnow if u have any questions about it and... if u are putting it on a button with midi out (led feedback) then i would use the 'modifier out' to get that led to show on/off. |
| Alphonso Deitchman 18.10.2013 | Deck Common > Tempo Adjust, Direct mode, Set to value 0. Not exactly complicated. Same for Rel/Abs. Just map them to the same button or switch in direct mode. |
| Lorri Bobar 18.10.2013 | yeah, fairly sure there is a function that resets the tempo control - it doesn't zero it out but it 'refreshes' it to what the turntable is actually doing. |
| Tania Somppi 18.10.2013 | I don't believe I used a modifier when I did this - I just mapped rel/abs/int as the deck will switch to internal playback automatically as soon as you assign the timecode control to another deck. I never switched back from internal to timecode tho because of the pitch fader being out of sync when you do ... and I had a pair of SCS3Ds with relative pitch faders and pitchbend controls for that lol There should be no real need to switch back to timecode control if you map pitch bend controls to a controller or keyboard mapping tho. |
| Halley Wurzer 18.10.2013 | Ya I always struggled with the getting the tempo in sync with the TT when switching deck control from internal back to relative. |
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