Important information regarding transferring Traktor licence's bundled with F1

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Important information regarding transferring Traktor licence's bundled with F1
Posted on: 31.05.2012 by Faustino Stringfellow
I tried to give my colleague an unregistered serial number from my new F1 controller. He couldn't register it, so he contacted NI registration support.

I also contacted them, and have just got the reply.

THEY WILL NOT ALLOW TRANSFERS, to give the serial to someone else you now have to give them the hardware too.

I now have several serial numbers, I can only use one at a time ! ... Why can't I give away a serial if I want?


Has anyone had this problem before?

Is this a new thing ?

Has anyone been successful in giving away a serial from the bundled TP2.5 that comes with the F1?


Quote from N.I.

Hello Mark,

this won't work, because the soft,- and hardware are bundled.

So he need the F1 hardware as qualifying base product.

Best regards
Christian, Native Instruments Support Team

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NATIVE INSTRUMENTS GmbH
Schlesische Strasse 29-30
D-10997 Berlin, Germany
http://www.native-instruments.com/
Cristian Carmona
05.06.2012		it sounds like NI wants to do a psuedo-dongle serial with the Hardware/Software.

They should just bundle the hardware to activate extra features in the software, ie the Audio 4/6/8/10 activates the SCRATCH feat. I could be wrong. but TBH i hate S/N and they mess they caused for me in the past. Ive upgraded from T2.5 to T3>TS>TP & TSP1> TS4> TSP2, and now TSP2.5
Werner Bile
05.06.2012
Originally Posted by djproben
Then in theory at least, so would the software.
Not exactly. While you have purchased the hardware, you have only purchased a licence to use the software. The company retains some rights with regard to what you do with it. For instance, a company can limit the number of machines the software can be installed on per licence, or if its on a server they can limit the number of machines that can use it at the same time.
Danae Dumler
05.06.2012
Originally Posted by shr3dder
If you have receipt and proof of purchase the hardware would LEGALLY be yours. Especially if you paid on-line with a credit card.
Then in theory at least, so would the software. I believe what he's objecting to - and I kind of agree - is the idea that NI can enjoin you from transferring a product that you own in a legitimate transaction. Besides the fact that NI's stance is unenforceable (at least in a legal sense), it's a poor PR move as it makes things harder for legitimate users of their products, and may even push some such users to acquiring the software illicitly, which is just not in NI's interest, whatever your feelings about the piracy itself.
Ara Tima
05.06.2012
Originally Posted by JSM
Nothing to do with Spain, it is NI Germany who made the rules.
I'm pretty sure the hardware ownership laws though would dictated by the country they were sent to.

For example to sell something in/within Australia NI would have to follow our consumer law and regulations regarding warranties etc etc. not whatever rules they have in Germany.

If you have receipt and proof of purchase the hardware would LEGALLY be yours. Especially if you paid on-line with a credit card.

However in NI's eyes the product would be owned by your friend. Which would only matter for issues such as updates etc. like you mentioned, but surely you're exisitng version of Traktor would entitle you to the updates, and driver/firmware updates generally aren't restricted to only being available to the registered user of the F1.

I'd guarantee you'd have a legal leg to stand on in your own country if he did try claim it through product registration.
Werner Bile
05.06.2012
Originally Posted by rdale
I believe it would do them more good in the long run to play nice with the serials now. Their hardware is compelling to me, but would have never been as compelling until playing with the software. I can't really see getting an S4 or F1 and not wanting to run Traktor, but I can see running Traktor and then really wanting NI hardware. If I'm forced into buying a new serial every time I get a new piece of kit, that too is unfair, and it needs to come with an NI upgrade pricing, that doesn't have software attached.
If you compare the price on NI hardware to that of comparable devices that don't come with Traktor, I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that they're charging you extra for the software. The F1 costs less than a K2 and the allen & heath doesn't even have lite software
Marshall Aby
05.06.2012
Originally Posted by rdale
I'm forced into buying a new serial every time I get a new piece of kit
You're not. It's free.
Freida Leash
05.06.2012		I believe it would do them more good in the long run to play nice with the serials now. Their hardware is compelling to me, but would have never been as compelling until playing with the software. I can't really see getting an S4 or F1 and not wanting to run Traktor, but I can see running Traktor and then really wanting NI hardware. If I'm forced into buying a new serial every time I get a new piece of kit, that too is unfair, and it needs to come with an NI upgrade pricing, that doesn't have software attached.
Marshall Aby
05.06.2012
Originally Posted by slainbybeats
What is their aim by not letting us resell the Software we don't need? It won't make them loose 1 cent
Yes it will. Software you sell on won't make NI a cent. The free copy of Traktor is for the person who bought the hardware, not anyone else.
Mariano Weigold
05.06.2012		What's wrong with NI? Nearly everyone who is getting an f1 right now will have a previous TP serial. What is their aim by not letting us resell the Software we don't need? It won't make them loose 1 cent, but we, as their customers, could save some peanuts. There are so many useless serial numbers because nobody will ever register them. What a nonsense!! Guess I need to email/call them before purchasing my f1...
Faustino Stringfellow
05.06.2012		I'll call them about multiple installs of the F1 and report back.

I wouldn't actually GIVE him the F1, but under the registration it would have his name, address, email addy etc. and he would be the registered owner.

He would then have any freebies, updates, etc to the F1, not me.

And at any point, he could lay claim to it, and I'd not have any argument against it.

This has run it's coarse now, he ended up DL an illegal copy of TSP2.5. So in reality NI haven't done themselves any favours by locking the software to the hardware
Tatum Untiedt
05.06.2012		If it works the same way traktor does, you can install the software past the cap that the terms of use states. I believe you're only allowed two installs per license and I easily have it on about 5 computers of mine by now, maybe the F1 registering works the same?

Find out if you can have your F1 registered to more than one copy of traktor (call up and ask if you can install it on more than one computer), and if you can just let your friend register through both the F1 and the traktor license of yours.
Werner Bile
05.06.2012		I understand NI's position on registration, what I'm saying is that at least in this country, product registration does not constitute legal ownership. Native Instruments can decide who holds a software licence, but its not up to them to decide who owns a piece of hardware.

What people in this thread are having trouble understanding, I believe, is why you would give him the actual F1 unit, rather than simply giving him the serial number. Your concerns about warranty and upgrades and such are certainly valid, but you would not give up ownership of your F1.
Faustino Stringfellow
05.06.2012		Nothing to do with Spain, it is NI Germany who made the rules.

The same thing has been raised on the NI community s and their position is clear.

If you buy the F1, the software with it can only be registered with BOTH serial numbers. The NI hardware one that starts with 1401- and the NI software one starting with 1301.

When you go to register the software it redirects you to an F1 registration page

http://www.native-instruments.com/ha...gistration/f1/


If he registers the F1, it will legally belong to him (at least the only ownership papers will reflect that).

There is no way around it ... try it if you don't believe me, it will only cost you $300 to find out.
Werner Bile
05.06.2012
Originally Posted by JSM
more than warranty, it will no longer belong to me.
I don't know how things work in Spain but I'm pretty sure in most places registration with the company doesn't carry with it any legal rights whatsoever. At least not WRT the hardware.
Ara Tima
05.06.2012		Well if you don't really know the guy then yeah sure I get what you're saying, but you wouldn't have to give him the actual unit.

But otherwise dude you need some more trustworthy friends.
Faustino Stringfellow
05.06.2012
Originally Posted by guiltyblade
I'm believe he may be concerned about warranty issues? I dunno.
more than warranty, it will no longer belong to me. I couldn't sell, RMA, or install it legally. Neither could I upgrade or crossgrade.

From what I have been told, this will be the way for all new releases of hardware.


As the serial is already registered to me, I have to de-register the F1, transfer ownership to him and at any time he could refuse to give it back and I don't have a legal leg to stand on.
Faustino Stringfellow
05.06.2012
Originally Posted by ekwipt
I'm with Xone, if he's a good mate it really doesn't matter
then you give your gear away ......
Ara Tima
05.06.2012		It's just EULA nonsense, if its a good mate it won't matter. It's probably not 100% legal but.

The software is dirt cheap these days anyway, who knows why they're being difficult about it all.
Rochel Gleese
04.06.2012		I'm with Xone, if he's a good mate it really doesn't matter
Alla Bluemke
04.06.2012		I'm believe he may be concerned about warranty issues? I dunno.
Romelia Stankard
04.06.2012
Originally Posted by JSM
erm nope, didn't you read ?

They have to REGISTER the F1 as theirs at the same time as registering the serial.
ok- let's say your friend registered your f1, so what?
Faustino Stringfellow
04.06.2012		erm nope, didn't you read ?

They have to REGISTER the F1 as theirs at the same time as registering the serial.
Romelia Stankard
05.06.2012
Originally Posted by JSM
to register the traktor software serial (and activate it) you need both serials.


So if i gave someone this version of Traktor I'd have to give him the F1 too, hardly going to happen.
right, so if you just wanted to give it away you could technically just give them the f1 serial to register it. you don't need to give them your f1 and it's not like the software and hardware are linked beyond that.
Faustino Stringfellow
05.06.2012
Originally Posted by MiL0
in that case, do these particular versions of Traktor only work when the F1 is plugged in?

if not, what would happen if you lend him your F1 and then he installs Traktor? Once it's up and running you get the F1 back...

(I'm sure NI has thought of this lol)

The software functions without the F1 or anything else for that matter. The software isn't crippled, just that it's serial number is tied to the hardware. You have to use both to activate the software.

If i gave him my F1 serial as well, it would show that HE owns it and not me.
Faustino Stringfellow
05.06.2012		to register the traktor software serial (and activate it) you need both serials.

In other words if, like me, you have a fair bit of hardware you'll end up with a load of software you can't do anything with.

So in effect, the software bundle is nothing more than a way of increasing the sale price, as it has no function for those people who already own TSP etc.


So if i gave someone this version of Traktor I'd have to give him the F1 too, hardly going to happen.

Anyway, it's no longer a problem, I was giving this away to prevent someone using the cracked software. All this messing about and they chose to DL the cracked version instead (which works with both my S4 and my F1).
Romelia Stankard
04.06.2012
Originally Posted by MiL0
if not, what would happen if you lend him your F1 and then he installs Traktor? Once it's up and running you get the F1 back...

(I'm sure NI has thought of this lol)
+1

pretty sure you just need an f1 SN to register it
Arcelia Siebeneck
04.06.2012		in that case, do these particular versions of Traktor only work when the F1 is plugged in?

if not, what would happen if you lend him your F1 and then he installs Traktor? Once it's up and running you get the F1 back...

(I'm sure NI has thought of this lol)
Faustino Stringfellow
31.05.2012		i'd lose the scratch upgrade that way. I asked about doing that way.

I will just give him another serial as I now have 5 ! and it looks like every purchase I make with NI i'll get another one that I can't give away.
Albertina Fay
31.05.2012		I guess you can try to unregister the serial that you are currently using (the one that did not come with the F1.) and give it to your friend.

Then, register your F1 and your F1 software serial under your account.

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