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copying NI TC Cds to usb?
Posted on: 20.08.2013 by Chandra Lean
Can i copy my Timecode CDs to USB and play them off of my players?

one of my CD player's lense isn't working (or so i am inclined to believe)
Keturah Wasco
22.08.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Those are not bugs. They are inherent limitations of using timecode.

You don't see any track names on the CDJ screen do you? Or waveforms, current BPM, current track position?
If you used different software like Serato or Cross (both support HID on the 850) you would get all this information on your CDJ screens.
BPM on CDJ via USB. yes. well.. the topic in here I was talking about was BPM and Timecode bend which works well back in 2.1.3 versions.
but not anymore so people call it bug. but now limtation. and looks like NI gave up fixing it.
Keturah Wasco
22.08.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
CDJ 850s do not have HID control in Traktor. You only get basic MIDI control.

I have used timecode on several versions after 2.6 and never had any bugs.
hmm strange.
even it says it has bug with cdj2000.

"Sliding a timecode CD into a state-of-the-art CDJ-2000 will mean a number of limitations on functionality a CDJ offers. A big issue here is that any ‘smart’ functions of the CD deck when it comes to looking at the audio file, such as BPM detection, auto looping, and so on, won’t work"

http://www.djranking s.com/2012/03/0...ntrol-systems/

and actually I can do browse songs on 850, hotques on 850 almost every feature via USB. just need to map those buttons in preferences.
Keturah Wasco
22.08.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
I don't use timecode for mixing that often, but when I have it has worked as expected.

Connecting via USB is not a "solution" to timecode problems, it is just an alternative method of control. If you're talking about using 850s in Traktor that involves basic MIDI which some people find worse than timecode. HID on the other hand works much better.
No, just in formal basic way to use CD timecode with CDJ(at least my 850 and other on NI community and here) won't display BPM correctly and Tempobend isn't instantly updated (about 3 seconds lag). I don't know about other CDJs. it isn't that every CDJs working flawlessly.

and I don't know about your meaning of HID, but I thought using USB cable is HID.

EDIT: anyways, I like how it works with via USB, everythings are instant response even faster than Timecodes also I can modify all those buttons on 850 customized. also please try timecode CD on TSP2.6 if you haven't tried from later version of 2.1.3 which the bug started from.
Keturah Wasco
22.08.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
There are no CD players that have problems with timecode. They all work the same.
are you using Traktor with "timecode CD"? or straight USB to your laptop?
NI couldnt fix it.
check the link below.

Pioneer's solution was connect USB straight to the laptop without Timecode CD.

http://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=53452
Keturah Wasco
22.08.2013
Originally Posted by no_rex4u
So i used WMP, ripped them in .WAV, and put them on my USB's along with the rest of my music.
Best decision ever

Traktor receives the timecode just fine, and it works as well as my controllers.
I see, sounds like all the Pioneer CDJ have problem with timecode.
Keturah Wasco
21.08.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
where did you get that info. kinda weird that they still ship all NI soundcards with timecode cd's.

also white traktor vinyl is the only way to go.... i saw it in your sig...
I don't remember but I believe there were many complains on NI community but NI could not fix it until now.
and then I found the solution on Pioneer DJ support(smarter than the original manufacture?!)

Lannie Kutay
21.08.2013
Originally Posted by djoh
Traktor CD timecodes are not recommended since TP 2.1 (not sure the exact version) because of slow response from the timecode and BPM or Temp-bend problems. (still able to mix with ear though).
if you are using Pioneer CDJ or other USB compatible CD players, you can just hook up with USB directly to the laptop (need driver installation and import CDJ midi setting), in this method, you don't need to CD timecodes.
where did you get that info. kinda weird that they still ship all NI soundcards with timecode cd's.

also white traktor vinyl is the only way to go.... i saw it in your sig...
Chandra Lean
22.08.2013		i have 2.6.3, using Reloop RMP-3a cd players (so not expensive pioneers)
BPM does not, nor is it able to be displayed on your cd player via timecode.
Yes there is a slight delay of BPM being displayed on Traktor, which is expectedd, but that is not a deal breaker, since you should have a general idea of your song's tempo.

Long story short, my initial question worked So Thread Closed.
Keturah Wasco
22.08.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
Those are not bugs. They are inherent limitations of using timecode.

You don't see any track names on the CDJ screen do you? Or waveforms, current BPM, current track position?
If you used different software like Serato or Cross (both support HID on the 850) you would get all this information on your CDJ screens.
BPM on CDJ via USB. yes. well.. the topic in here I was talking about was BPM and Timecode bend which works well back in 2.1.3 versions.
but not anymore so people call it bug. but now limtation. and looks like NI gave up fixing it.
Alphonso Deitchman
22.08.2013		Those are not bugs. They are inherent limitations of using timecode.

You don't see any track names on the CDJ screen do you? Or waveforms, current BPM, current track position?
If you used different software like Serato or Cross (both support HID on the 850) you would get all this information on your CDJ screens.
Keturah Wasco
22.08.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
CDJ 850s do not have HID control in Traktor. You only get basic MIDI control.

I have used timecode on several versions after 2.6 and never had any bugs.
hmm strange.
even it says it has bug with cdj2000.

"Sliding a timecode CD into a state-of-the-art CDJ-2000 will mean a number of limitations on functionality a CDJ offers. A big issue here is that any ‘smart’ functions of the CD deck when it comes to looking at the audio file, such as BPM detection, auto looping, and so on, won’t work"

http://www.djranking s.com/2012/03/0...ntrol-systems/

and actually I can do browse songs on 850, hotques on 850 almost every feature via USB. just need to map those buttons in preferences.
Alphonso Deitchman
22.08.2013		CDJ 850s do not have HID control in Traktor. You only get basic MIDI control.

I have used timecode on several versions after 2.6 and never had any bugs.
Keturah Wasco
22.08.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
I don't use timecode for mixing that often, but when I have it has worked as expected.

Connecting via USB is not a "solution" to timecode problems, it is just an alternative method of control. If you're talking about using 850s in Traktor that involves basic MIDI which some people find worse than timecode. HID on the other hand works much better.
No, just in formal basic way to use CD timecode with CDJ(at least my 850 and other on NI community and here) won't display BPM correctly and Tempobend isn't instantly updated (about 3 seconds lag). I don't know about other CDJs. it isn't that every CDJs working flawlessly.

and I don't know about your meaning of HID, but I thought using USB cable is HID.

EDIT: anyways, I like how it works with via USB, everythings are instant response even faster than Timecodes also I can modify all those buttons on 850 customized. also please try timecode CD on TSP2.6 if you haven't tried from later version of 2.1.3 which the bug started from.
Alphonso Deitchman
22.08.2013		I don't use timecode for mixing that often, but when I have it has worked as expected.

Connecting via USB is not a "solution" to timecode problems, it is just an alternative method of control. If you're talking about using 850s in Traktor that involves basic MIDI which some people find worse than timecode. HID on the other hand works much better.
Keturah Wasco
22.08.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
There are no CD players that have problems with timecode. They all work the same.
are you using Traktor with "timecode CD"? or straight USB to your laptop?
NI couldnt fix it.
check the link below.

Pioneer's solution was connect USB straight to the laptop without Timecode CD.

http://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=53452
Alphonso Deitchman
22.08.2013		There are no CD players that have problems with timecode. They all work the same.
Keturah Wasco
22.08.2013
Originally Posted by no_rex4u
So i used WMP, ripped them in .WAV, and put them on my USB's along with the rest of my music.
Best decision ever

Traktor receives the timecode just fine, and it works as well as my controllers.
I see, sounds like all the Pioneer CDJ have problem with timecode.
Chandra Lean
21.08.2013		So i used WMP, ripped them in .WAV, and put them on my USB's along with the rest of my music.
Best decision ever

Traktor receives the timecode just fine, and it works as well as my controllers.
Chandra Lean
21.08.2013		1) i have Reloop RMP-3a's
2) Traktor Timecode Cd mk2 are the timoecode CDs i have, and they aren't that bad

i don't like using my cd players in midi mode, and i don't like pioneer players. If anything i will probably sell off my Cd players soon and keep two X1's
Keturah Wasco
21.08.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
where did you get that info. kinda weird that they still ship all NI soundcards with timecode cd's.

also white traktor vinyl is the only way to go.... i saw it in your sig...
I don't remember but I believe there were many complains on NI community but NI could not fix it until now.
and then I found the solution on Pioneer DJ support(smarter than the original manufacture?!)

Lannie Kutay
21.08.2013
Originally Posted by djoh
Traktor CD timecodes are not recommended since TP 2.1 (not sure the exact version) because of slow response from the timecode and BPM or Temp-bend problems. (still able to mix with ear though).
if you are using Pioneer CDJ or other USB compatible CD players, you can just hook up with USB directly to the laptop (need driver installation and import CDJ midi setting), in this method, you don't need to CD timecodes.
where did you get that info. kinda weird that they still ship all NI soundcards with timecode cd's.

also white traktor vinyl is the only way to go.... i saw it in your sig...
Keturah Wasco
21.08.2013		Traktor CD timecodes are not recommended since TP 2.1 (not sure the exact version) because of slow response from the timecode and BPM or Temp-bend problems. (still able to mix with ear though).
if you are using Pioneer CDJ or other USB compatible CD players, you can just hook up with USB directly to the laptop (need driver installation and import CDJ midi setting), in this method, you don't need to CD timecodes.
Audrey Pinda
20.08.2013		What kind of CDJ's are you using?
Chandra Lean
20.08.2013		and.... i believe one of my laser's on my CD player is broken since im getting a disc error.
Yong Aptekar
20.08.2013		Makes sense.
Chandra Lean
20.08.2013		because my tunes are all organized, marked, gridded and ready to go in TSP2
Yong Aptekar
20.08.2013		I'm confused as to why? If you are going to use usbs, why not just put your tunes on the usbs and spinning from them?
Alphonso Deitchman
20.08.2013		Not anymore
Doreen Schurle
20.08.2013		Pretty sure you can just download the MP3 off their site can't you?
Alphonso Deitchman
20.08.2013		Yes, you can rip them to WAV or MP3 and they'll work fine.
Lannie Kutay
20.08.2013		i dont see why not.

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