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What is with MP3 Music Packs for sale on Ebay?
Posted on: 29.08.2013 by Cammy Demos
Hey Guys,

I searched for this in the community s but didn't come across anything.

What's the deal with Ebay sellers putting up collections of 100+ new house/tech/prog/etc. MP3s up for sale? It seems to me like this is illegal, but ebay doesn't pull it down. I always want to support the artist, so I am assuming I would never purchase these. I wanted to get some other peoples take on them.

-Steve
Sonja Roybal
03.09.2013
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
I hear you. But I believe if that were really true, the seller would have posted the track list.
If the seller posts the tracklist, he's opening himself up to more scrutiny as the producer and label can search for their names. They contact EBay, Ebay bans user and seller loses his rating.
Nedra Fresneda
02.09.2013		Link removed.

Originally Posted by 031999
I really don't have an intention of using them. But I did some research and most of the tracks were free download off soundcloud, or off Artist Facebook pages. Some were from music blogs.
If the tracks are taken off any of those sources they more often than not are under CC or ALR. In any case, no one has a right to resell them (they were offered for free ffs)
Lannie Kutay
02.09.2013
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
How does posting a list of free tracks promote "obtaining music in a questionable way"? It's the exact opposite. The Ebay seller doesn't even list the tracks, because he wants you to buy the pack from him rather than acquiring the individual tracks legitimately (or for free). This list actually allowed me to genuinely check out some of those artists on Soundcloud. And, like I said before, the post with the link to the actual Ebay auction is still in this thread! If anything, that should have been removed. Whatever.
Yes but it was illustrated to me this way.

"if someone see tracks they like on that list, they might be much more prone to purchase the pack off ebay, than If they really didn't know what the pack contains."

It would be like promoting the pack. which I wouldn't feel right about.

hey... im just going along with the rules.
Lannie Kutay
02.09.2013
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
Probably deleted because its theft.
yeah i was actually asked to remove it.

Because it was promoting "Obtaining music in a questionable way"

I completely understand, and FULLY agree!!

I merely purchased it to resolve the OP question "Whats with MP3 music packs on Ebay"

I really don't have an intention of using them. But I did some research and most of the tracks were free download off soundcloud, or off Artist Facebook pages. Some were from music blogs.
Delena Katherman
02.09.2013
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
Probably deleted because its theft.
Maybe, but they kept the post with the link to the ebay auction where you can actually buy it. The list would actually help you BUY the individual tracks from a legitimate source rather than buy the pack just to see what's in it.
Sonja Roybal
02.09.2013
Originally Posted by kooper1980
Where has the post with the tracklist gone?
Probably deleted because its theft.
Lannie Kutay
01.09.2013
Originally Posted by DJSigma
In the last 30 days he's sold 155 DVDs and made
Lina Rawie
01.09.2013		In the last 30 days he's sold 155 DVDs and made
Doreen Schurle
01.09.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
Wow just got the tracks.

I must say, pretty awesome stuff. It was some real house!! Im gonna say I did not have one of the tracks in my library!!!??

Yes it is all very high quality (320) stuff. Alot of artists I've never heard of and a couple pretty deep tracks.

All in all, definitely worth the $$.

Well I guess that makes me some kind of pirate now.... Aaarrgggg Bitches!!
Tracklist dude!
Anibal Hoormann
31.08.2013
Originally Posted by Kwal
Wait, do you mean I should not use 128k rips m8?!?!?!?

Forever doomed.
Hahh laughed at that, so damn true, sometimes in small clubs you don't have 258+ and 320 is like heaven .

I should record a 128 mix.
Doreen Schurle
31.08.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
im actually curious to see if anything shows up. Haven't received a DL link. But if might also come on cd, we'll see.

I do not promote copyright infringement!!! I am betting I probably have every one of these tracks in my collection already.
Says at the bottom of that listing that royalties have been paid to MCPS; that alone would put me off, since the PRS are basically a big, semi-legalised group of con artists.

Will be interested to see what you end up with though; my money is on a bunch of generic tracks made in Fruitloops.
Delena Katherman
03.09.2013		Great point.
Sonja Roybal
03.09.2013
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
I hear you. But I believe if that were really true, the seller would have posted the track list.
If the seller posts the tracklist, he's opening himself up to more scrutiny as the producer and label can search for their names. They contact EBay, Ebay bans user and seller loses his rating.
Nedra Fresneda
02.09.2013		Link removed.

Originally Posted by 031999
I really don't have an intention of using them. But I did some research and most of the tracks were free download off soundcloud, or off Artist Facebook pages. Some were from music blogs.
If the tracks are taken off any of those sources they more often than not are under CC or ALR. In any case, no one has a right to resell them (they were offered for free ffs)
Delena Katherman
02.09.2013		I hear you. But I believe if that were really true, the seller would have posted the track list.
Lannie Kutay
02.09.2013
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
How does posting a list of free tracks promote "obtaining music in a questionable way"? It's the exact opposite. The Ebay seller doesn't even list the tracks, because he wants you to buy the pack from him rather than acquiring the individual tracks legitimately (or for free). This list actually allowed me to genuinely check out some of those artists on Soundcloud. And, like I said before, the post with the link to the actual Ebay auction is still in this thread! If anything, that should have been removed. Whatever.
Yes but it was illustrated to me this way.

"if someone see tracks they like on that list, they might be much more prone to purchase the pack off ebay, than If they really didn't know what the pack contains."

It would be like promoting the pack. which I wouldn't feel right about.

hey... im just going along with the rules.
Delena Katherman
02.09.2013		How does posting a list of free tracks promote "obtaining music in a questionable way"? It's the exact opposite. The Ebay seller doesn't even list the tracks, because he wants you to buy the pack from him rather than acquiring the individual tracks legitimately (or for free). This list actually allowed me to genuinely check out some of those artists on Soundcloud. And, like I said before, the post with the link to the actual Ebay auction is still in this thread! If anything, that should have been removed. Whatever.
Hellen Mindrup
02.09.2013		Nice work 031999.
Lannie Kutay
02.09.2013
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
Probably deleted because its theft.
yeah i was actually asked to remove it.

Because it was promoting "Obtaining music in a questionable way"

I completely understand, and FULLY agree!!

I merely purchased it to resolve the OP question "Whats with MP3 music packs on Ebay"

I really don't have an intention of using them. But I did some research and most of the tracks were free download off soundcloud, or off Artist Facebook pages. Some were from music blogs.
Delena Katherman
02.09.2013
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
Probably deleted because its theft.
Maybe, but they kept the post with the link to the ebay auction where you can actually buy it. The list would actually help you BUY the individual tracks from a legitimate source rather than buy the pack just to see what's in it.
Sonja Roybal
02.09.2013
Originally Posted by kooper1980
Where has the post with the tracklist gone?
Probably deleted because its theft.
Kristofer Krauel
01.09.2013		Where has the post with the tracklist gone?
Lannie Kutay
01.09.2013
Originally Posted by DJSigma
In the last 30 days he's sold 155 DVDs and made
Lina Rawie
01.09.2013		In the last 30 days he's sold 155 DVDs and made
Augustine Mitzen
01.09.2013		ok, so now just go and buy them
Doreen Schurle
01.09.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
Wow just got the tracks.

I must say, pretty awesome stuff. It was some real house!! Im gonna say I did not have one of the tracks in my library!!!??

Yes it is all very high quality (320) stuff. Alot of artists I've never heard of and a couple pretty deep tracks.

All in all, definitely worth the $$.

Well I guess that makes me some kind of pirate now.... Aaarrgggg Bitches!!
Tracklist dude!
Lannie Kutay
01.09.2013		Wow just got the tracks.

I must say, pretty awesome stuff. It was some real house!! Im gonna say I did not have one of the tracks in my library!!!??

Yes it is all very high quality (320) stuff. Alot of artists I've never heard of and a couple pretty deep tracks.

All in all, definitely worth the $$.

Well I guess that makes me some kind of pirate now.... Aaarrgggg Bitches!!
Anibal Hoormann
31.08.2013
Originally Posted by Kwal
Wait, do you mean I should not use 128k rips m8?!?!?!?

Forever doomed.
Hahh laughed at that, so damn true, sometimes in small clubs you don't have 258+ and 320 is like heaven .

I should record a 128 mix.
Doreen Schurle
31.08.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
im actually curious to see if anything shows up. Haven't received a DL link. But if might also come on cd, we'll see.

I do not promote copyright infringement!!! I am betting I probably have every one of these tracks in my collection already.
Says at the bottom of that listing that royalties have been paid to MCPS; that alone would put me off, since the PRS are basically a big, semi-legalised group of con artists.

Will be interested to see what you end up with though; my money is on a bunch of generic tracks made in Fruitloops.
Lannie Kutay
30.08.2013		im actually curious to see if anything shows up. Haven't received a DL link. But if might also come on cd, we'll see.

I do not promote copyright infringement!!! I am betting I probably have every one of these tracks in my collection already.
Libbie Orion
30.08.2013		how about contacting the label and sending them a URL to the auction?
that would probably get EBAY working on this really quickly
Lannie Kutay
30.08.2013		like $9 US
Hellen Mindrup
30.08.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
hey so what the hell! I went ahead an ordered one of the "House" packs. I guess I really cant knock it if I never try it. So i'll keep everyone updated.

(we'll see if its "Real" house, or just commercial stuff....)
For how much.....?
Lannie Kutay
30.08.2013		hey so what the hell! I went ahead an ordered one of the "House" packs. I guess I really cant knock it if I never try it. So i'll keep everyone updated.

(we'll see if its "Real" house, or just commercial stuff....)
Brunilda Kora
29.08.2013		Illegal is a VERY interesting word.

Suggest (if people are interested) they do some light reading on the difference when something is "legal" or "lawful".
Ara Tima
28.08.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
Some light reading http://www.riaa.com/physicalpiracy.p...online_the_law

Yes making a copy and selling it or even giving it away for that matter is illegal.

Now with so many mixes and demos and just tracks flying around on the net, the lines become a little hazy..but...

Selling multiple copies of a track and not paying royalties is highly illegal....at least in America.

You might be surprised to find out that all evening clubs are REQUIRED to pay ASCAP and BMI royalties for its dj's to be able to play tracks. (based on the number of people the club holds).
All of this is very country dependent.

Yes it is illegal at the moment in Australia, but they are trying to change it, the recent study the government did into geo blocking etc had a lot of recommendations regarding allowing digital files to be resold.

This article isn't a bit more australian central... http://apo.org.au/commentary/selling...have-stuck-cds


With regards to evening clubs in Australia, clubs (actually any business that plays music, even cafes, clothes shops etc) have to pay a license fee to APRA every year (similar to the ASCAP/BMI stuff in the US)

That money gets 'distributed' to artists on the club charts. So the system is a little crooked. Big artists get lots, the smaller guys get f*ck all.
Lannie Kutay
28.08.2013
Originally Posted by kooper1980
So if I sold my entire MP3 library without making a copy of the tracks is that ok? Is it the act of making a copy thats illegal?

I honestly find this topic fascinating.
Some light reading http://www.riaa.com/physicalpiracy.p...online_the_law

Yes making a copy and selling it or even giving it away for that matter is illegal.

Now with so many mixes and demos and just tracks flying around on the net, the lines become a little hazy..but...

Selling multiple copies of a track and not paying royalties is highly illegal....at least in America.

You might be surprised to find out that all evening clubs are REQUIRED to pay ASCAP and BMI royalties for its dj's to be able to play tracks. (based on the number of people the club holds).
Kristofer Krauel
28.08.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
No they are just selling the same tracks over and over again!!

Say you sold all your vinyls, but before you did. You made 200 copies of each on cd. and then sell them for profit. See a problem there?!
So if I sold my entire MP3 library without making a copy of the tracks is that ok? Is it the act of making a copy thats illegal?

I honestly find this topic fascinating.
Lannie Kutay
28.08.2013
Originally Posted by kooper1980
I struggle with this discussion. Its not right but how is it any different to someone selling a crate of their vinyls? (there is a thread on this very community and countless vinyl sales on ebay that dont get closed down or removed)

I have a mate into northern soul and he buys 7" LP's on ebay all of the time and no-one bats an eyelid!

Peoples opinion on piracy seems to be selective depending on the media in question.
No they are just selling the same tracks over and over again!!

Say you sold all your vinyls, but before you did. You made 200 copies of each on cd. and then sell them for profit. See a problem there?!
Kristofer Krauel
28.08.2013		I struggle with this discussion. Its not right but how is it any different to someone selling a crate of their vinyls? (there is a thread on this very community and countless vinyl sales on ebay that dont get closed down or removed)

I have a mate into northern soul and he buys 7" LP's on ebay all of the time and no-one bats an eyelid!

Peoples opinion on piracy seems to be selective depending on the media in question.

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