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The Little Man Just Got Killed
Posted on: 05.09.2013 by Kory Carby
So I just read and saw the video about serato dj 1.5 and i thought to myself this is great news for serato users it well be more like traktor and that a good thing. But then i thought what and then the little man (like myself) I only have been djing for a year or so i started with traktor and a s2 and i sold that and brought a z2 two turntables and been have fun learning and owning the craft but i only paid about 600 for my mixer and 400 for each turntable thats 1400 and i say i made my money back doing party so its cool. I never used serato but always wanted to use it but when i learned that the rane 62 is 2000 and now the 57 cant use serato dj1.5 i believe in my head they just killed the little guy nobody really what to pay 2500 for a mixer and the not make thousands dollars a year for this stuff most of us that buy the stuff have real job and this is a side job.I cant understand why there is no intro price to use serato ur going be paying a hell of alot just to use serato so i guess i'll stick with traktor no big thing i like traktor i just wanted to know how use serato (just my thoughts) p.s. the rane sl2 is 500 and for 399 u get traktor s2 i just convicted serato is high for no reason
Kory Carby
11.09.2013
Originally Posted by Panotaker
To the original OP. If you want to try Serato and have a Z2, you might want to do what I did. I also have two turntables plugged into my Z2. I also have two Numark V7's plugged into the line inputs of the Z2. The V7's are running Serato Itch right now, but the free upgrade to SDJ is coming. So I can run Traktor on the turntables, or run Serato Itch on the V7's, not at the same time, but I can run either program without having to unplug anything except for the USB cables. If you look around, you can buy a couple of used V7's for the price of a Serato sound card.
Good Idea Still expensive but i understand why u did it the whole purpose of this thread was to ask people is they through searto was over price and to try to figure out why but people are stupid and got carried away talking about libraries so i see now just keep my thoughts to myseft
Kristofer Krauel
07.09.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
......I take it that you missed the word "not" out of that sentence, as in "this community is NOT RAN by Traktor"..?
ooops! Good spot!!
Maile Dekerlegand
07.09.2013
Originally Posted by smiTTTen
Whatever you do - Just don't use Serato with a PC with less than 16GB of RAM.
why? SDJ is 32bit

what you really need to watch out for is how big your library is... that IMO is Seratos biggest prob at the mo...
http://serato.com/community /discussion/837589
Addie Engbrecht
07.09.2013
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
I'm from the US, but according to many people on this community , a majority of the "professional and experienced DJ's" outside of the US use Traktor. The prominence of Serato among working DJ's is very much a North American thing. NI is an international company, and making their products accessible to newcomers doesn't necessarily make them less appropriate for professionals. In fact, if you start out as a rookie using Traktor, you may likely continue with the software as you progress to pro status. For whatever reason, the culture is just different in the US at the moment in regards to software choice.
No doubt, I agree. If you start out using Traktor, you're more than likely to continue using it
Nancey Inderlied
07.09.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Agreed; moaning about Traktor's browser is just whack. Map a knob to select up/down, Shift+Knob for playlist up/down, and push knob to load; problem solved.
What do I map to allow for tag filtering, or any kind of filtering beyond sorting a playlist? What do I map to differentiate "all of the actual music" and "every single audio file and sample ever brought through Traktor?" What do I map to allow for inertial scrolling? What do I map to allow for a tag hierarchy?

When a CDJ-2000, with a single knob, two buttons, and a 6" screen, handles libraries better and faster than unlimited MIDI mapping over a 13"-17" laptop screen, you know your software needs a bit of an overhaul.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
06.09.2013
Originally Posted by haze324
You can tell this is Traktor ran community .....there is so much misinformation about Serato.
Dude please, you do not believe that. There is misinformation about Serato because a lot of people know jack-shit about Serato and assume a load rubbish (just like people do about NI also)... but you know there are dyed-in-the-wool Traktor users that have a great deal of respect and experience of Serato or Rane products, me for one. This is clearly a Traktor-centric community but that is just down to sheer numbers of users.


Originally Posted by kooper1980
And as far as I know this community is RAN by Traktor (or Native Instruments if you want to be technically correct). It just so happens that this is where the Traktor heads gather.
I take it that you missed the word "not" out of that sentence, as in "this community is NOT RAN by Traktor"..?
Doreen Schurle
06.09.2013
Originally Posted by haze324
This is turning into Serato vs Traktor. I'm out. Pointless argument.
This thread was about an expensive mixer....
Julissa Serrone
06.09.2013
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
How is that even possible? I had an S4 for about 6 months, back when I had a ~300 track library. I still can't fathom how people can rail on about Traktor's "features" and ignore the fact that the browser is practically unworkable. What good are addons and piles of random effects when the software actively hampers you finding and sorting through your library?
+100

There's guys on here that used Traktor and now use Serato stating the library is MUCH better. There's guys who use Traktor and NEVER used Serato and say what's the big deal. I'm telling you guys it's MUCH better. Simply having a prepare screen is wonderful while playing gigs. Also no need for the "collection" and also no need to map anything....it just works. What folks who rant on about features forget that the biggest reason folks use Serato is workflow --- not features.

This is turning into Serato vs Traktor. I'm out. Pointless argument.
This thread was about an expensive mixer....


.....which by the way is also MUCH better than the Z2 ha!
Vallie Pac
11.09.2013		My advice to you since you are just getting started, is to stick to one program and master it, especially if you are just a bedroom DJ. Switching to Serato is not going to make you any better, it's just different. Only reason I have both, is because I have been at this game for over 30 years and have accumulated a lot of gear. I already had the 1200's and the V7's, so it was a no brainer to plug them into the Z2. One thing you might want to get if you don't have them already is get an X1mk2 and an F1. You can always get a used Serato box later and try out Serato. DJ's are always selling their gear and a good used one will pop up sooner or later.
Kory Carby
11.09.2013
Originally Posted by Panotaker
To the original OP. If you want to try Serato and have a Z2, you might want to do what I did. I also have two turntables plugged into my Z2. I also have two Numark V7's plugged into the line inputs of the Z2. The V7's are running Serato Itch right now, but the free upgrade to SDJ is coming. So I can run Traktor on the turntables, or run Serato Itch on the V7's, not at the same time, but I can run either program without having to unplug anything except for the USB cables. If you look around, you can buy a couple of used V7's for the price of a Serato sound card.
Good Idea Still expensive but i understand why u did it the whole purpose of this thread was to ask people is they through searto was over price and to try to figure out why but people are stupid and got carried away talking about libraries so i see now just keep my thoughts to myseft
Vallie Pac
09.09.2013		To the original OP. If you want to try Serato and have a Z2, you might want to do what I did. I also have two turntables plugged into my Z2. I also have two Numark V7's plugged into the line inputs of the Z2. The V7's are running Serato Itch right now, but the free upgrade to SDJ is coming. So I can run Traktor on the turntables, or run Serato Itch on the V7's, not at the same time, but I can run either program without having to unplug anything except for the USB cables. If you look around, you can buy a couple of used V7's for the price of a Serato sound card.
Kristofer Krauel
07.09.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
......I take it that you missed the word "not" out of that sentence, as in "this community is NOT RAN by Traktor"..?
ooops! Good spot!!
Maile Dekerlegand
07.09.2013
Originally Posted by smiTTTen
Whatever you do - Just don't use Serato with a PC with less than 16GB of RAM.
why? SDJ is 32bit

what you really need to watch out for is how big your library is... that IMO is Seratos biggest prob at the mo...
http://serato.com/community /discussion/837589
Addie Engbrecht
07.09.2013
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
I'm from the US, but according to many people on this community , a majority of the "professional and experienced DJ's" outside of the US use Traktor. The prominence of Serato among working DJ's is very much a North American thing. NI is an international company, and making their products accessible to newcomers doesn't necessarily make them less appropriate for professionals. In fact, if you start out as a rookie using Traktor, you may likely continue with the software as you progress to pro status. For whatever reason, the culture is just different in the US at the moment in regards to software choice.
No doubt, I agree. If you start out using Traktor, you're more than likely to continue using it
Delena Katherman
07.09.2013		I'm from the US, but according to many people on this community , a majority of the "professional and experienced DJ's" outside of the US use Traktor. The prominence of Serato among working DJ's is very much a North American thing. NI is an international company, and making their products accessible to newcomers doesn't necessarily make them less appropriate for professionals. In fact, if you start out as a rookie using Traktor, you may likely continue with the software as you progress to pro status. For whatever reason, the culture is just different in the US at the moment in regards to software choice.
Addie Engbrecht
07.09.2013		I believe NI's main focus is bringing in new customers. They do this by creating new features that appeal to those starting out, great marketing, and offering their products at much lower prices. I believe Serato's main focus is catering to professional or experienced DJ's. They do this by having the most stable product and by offering features that appeal to experienced DJ's (video, CDJ integration, more organized playlist systems, iTunes integration, etc).
Delena Katherman
07.09.2013		For what it's worth, I believe the newest version of Traktor added inertial scrolling. Just sayin'.

All that browsing stuff sounds great, and I would welcome it to Traktor. But, I don't really have a need for it, and many other users obviously don't either. I do everything by playlist and it works perfectly for the way I play. That's what's great about there being two (major) options for everyone - Traktor and Serato. You can use your choice, and I can use the better one (kidding).
Nancey Inderlied
07.09.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Agreed; moaning about Traktor's browser is just whack. Map a knob to select up/down, Shift+Knob for playlist up/down, and push knob to load; problem solved.
What do I map to allow for tag filtering, or any kind of filtering beyond sorting a playlist? What do I map to differentiate "all of the actual music" and "every single audio file and sample ever brought through Traktor?" What do I map to allow for inertial scrolling? What do I map to allow for a tag hierarchy?

When a CDJ-2000, with a single knob, two buttons, and a 6" screen, handles libraries better and faster than unlimited MIDI mapping over a 13"-17" laptop screen, you know your software needs a bit of an overhaul.
Julissa Serrone
06.09.2013		Karlos!

Yeah man. I know better....just talking some smack on an Internet community .

Agree 100% with what u wrote.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
06.09.2013
Originally Posted by haze324
You can tell this is Traktor ran community .....there is so much misinformation about Serato.
Dude please, you do not believe that. There is misinformation about Serato because a lot of people know jack-shit about Serato and assume a load rubbish (just like people do about NI also)... but you know there are dyed-in-the-wool Traktor users that have a great deal of respect and experience of Serato or Rane products, me for one. This is clearly a Traktor-centric community but that is just down to sheer numbers of users.


Originally Posted by kooper1980
And as far as I know this community is RAN by Traktor (or Native Instruments if you want to be technically correct). It just so happens that this is where the Traktor heads gather.
I take it that you missed the word "not" out of that sentence, as in "this community is NOT RAN by Traktor"..?
Len Lukawski
06.09.2013		Whatever you do - Just don't use Serato with a PC with less than 16GB of RAM.
Doreen Schurle
06.09.2013
Originally Posted by haze324
This is turning into Serato vs Traktor. I'm out. Pointless argument.
This thread was about an expensive mixer....
Julissa Serrone
06.09.2013
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
How is that even possible? I had an S4 for about 6 months, back when I had a ~300 track library. I still can't fathom how people can rail on about Traktor's "features" and ignore the fact that the browser is practically unworkable. What good are addons and piles of random effects when the software actively hampers you finding and sorting through your library?
+100

There's guys on here that used Traktor and now use Serato stating the library is MUCH better. There's guys who use Traktor and NEVER used Serato and say what's the big deal. I'm telling you guys it's MUCH better. Simply having a prepare screen is wonderful while playing gigs. Also no need for the "collection" and also no need to map anything....it just works. What folks who rant on about features forget that the biggest reason folks use Serato is workflow --- not features.

This is turning into Serato vs Traktor. I'm out. Pointless argument.
This thread was about an expensive mixer....


.....which by the way is also MUCH better than the Z2 ha!
Kristofer Krauel
06.09.2013
Originally Posted by haze324
Oh I know man, my bad...I believe perhaps my response came off wrong. I was trying to say that it's good for someone to say in Perth you see mostly Traktor, in NYC you see mostly Serato, etc. That gives more of a "full picture"

Cheers!
The joys of community s. its a world view!
Kristofer Krauel
06.09.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Agreed; moaning about Traktor's browser is just whack. Map a knob to select up/down, Shift+Knob for playlist up/down, and push knob to load; problem solved.
Are there people using the browser without those functions? I dont get what people dont like about the browser in Traktor?
Doreen Schurle
06.09.2013
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
I've never been hampered by the library. Ever. I've never used Serato, so it might have a superior browser. But, I've never had an issue keeping things tight, organized, and accessible in Traktor. Therefore, I'm free to "rail on" about the features I enjoy in the software.
Agreed; moaning about Traktor's browser is just whack. Map a knob to select up/down, Shift+Knob for playlist up/down, and push knob to load; problem solved.
Delena Katherman
06.09.2013		I've never been hampered by the library. Ever. I've never used Serato, so it might have a superior browser. But, I've never had an issue keeping things tight, organized, and accessible in Traktor. Therefore, I'm free to "rail on" about the features I enjoy in the software.
Nancey Inderlied
06.09.2013
Originally Posted by Frank112916
I've used ssl and serato Dj...I don't understand why anyone would switch to SSL or Serato DJ from traktor. My setup is pretty much the same as any serato user, and it cost the same.
How is that even possible? I had an S4 for about 6 months, back when I had a ~300 track library. I still can't fathom how people can rail on about Traktor's "features" and ignore the fact that the browser is practically unworkable. What good are addons and piles of random effects when the software actively hampers you finding and sorting through your library?
Dino Hapgood
06.09.2013
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Traktor is a hell of a lot more prolific sheerly because its a $70 program that functions with everything from homebrew MIDI circuits to integrated timecode solutions. Traktor's market share comes from appealing to people looking for absolute bargain bin solutions, with upgrade paths to arguably professionally serviceable solutions.

Tons upon tons of people don't exactly "prefer" Traktor over Serato, they've just never known anything else, because they search for and build upon disposable cheap options and gimmicks, and Traktor is the software that facilitates that. Meanwhile, Serato's base level integration and software design carries a professional price tag, and the quality bar of Serato approved hardware is typically much higher than the average bedroom DJ is willing to pay. Thus, the low end typically ends up invested and attached to NI solutions, without ever being able to compare software to any degree.
I've used ssl and serato Dj...I don't understand why anyone would switch to SSL or Serato DJ from traktor. My setup is pretty much the same as any serato user, and it cost the same.

You're being extremely negative. Not everyone wants to use turntables and a mixer...some people prefer controllers and I wouldn't call it a gimmick.

I don't see the advantages of serato over traktor besides the ability to do video djing natively...
Julissa Serrone
06.09.2013
Originally Posted by kooper1980
I was only pulling your chain mate. Meant no offence.

I've also stopped mashing buttons and mapping super duper knobs. I mainly use traktor as a file manager.
Oh I know man, my bad...I believe perhaps my response came off wrong. I was trying to say that it's good for someone to say in Perth you see mostly Traktor, in NYC you see mostly Serato, etc. That gives more of a "full picture"

Cheers!
Kristofer Krauel
06.09.2013		I was only pulling your chain mate. Meant no offence.

I've also stopped mashing buttons and mapping super duper knobs. I mainly use traktor as a file manager.
Julissa Serrone
06.09.2013
Originally Posted by kooper1980
You Americans ALWAYS have to be different!!

.
Koop! What's up my man. I only post my view from where I live so folks out there understand that although there IS a heavy dose of Traktor on THIS community , it's not like that everywhere....and being that I live in a fairly big city with a large club scene, i express only to share a differenent view point.

As for others talking about Traktor and SSL. I'm on this community because I used Traktor for a while (some of my old mappings are posted on this community Loop Recoroder Superknob being one of them that BigBeatz and I worked on) and when I switched to Serato i've never looked back. It's not so much features, it's workflow, library managment, streamlined approach and with regards to SSL the biggest one was rock solid stability. My personal opinion (only because I was victim of it myself) is that this community being "tech tools" --- folks get too caught up with features and getting this button to create magic, or this knob to do 5 things, so it HAS to be awesome.

All good though. Like I said to the OP you can buy a used SL 2/3/4 card for cheap and use Serato withouth having to dish out the big bucks for a new Rane mixer.
Maile Dekerlegand
06.09.2013		got both Traktor and SDJ, preferring SDJ at the moment, my reasons why:

elastic beat grids
slicer function
jog wheel integration is good enough for scratching
parallel wave forms
video plug in

sure traktor is more comprehensive in terms of midi mapping, remix decks and effects (4 vs 2) but depends on your workflow I guess... i really like the izotope FX
Doreen Schurle
06.09.2013
Originally Posted by kooper1980
You are a Serato user I assume?!?!

I kind of agree on the reasons Traktor is more prolific. But low cost isnt always a precursor to low quality.

The same way as high cost isnt a precursor to high quality. Case in point? Beats headphones.
Or Pioneer gear

Tbh, my issue with Serato is the complete and utter lack of features. Their ONLY standout feature is the parallel waveforms, and if you need that you can just use Mixxx/MVC, which doesn't tie you down to specific hardware.
Kristofer Krauel
06.09.2013
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Traktor is a hell of a lot more prolific sheerly because its a $70 program that functions with everything from homebrew MIDI circuits to integrated timecode solutions. Traktor's market share comes from appealing to people looking for absolute bargain bin solutions, with upgrade paths to arguably professionally serviceable solutions.

Tons upon tons of people don't exactly "prefer" Traktor over Serato, they've just never known anything else, because they search for and build upon disposable cheap options and gimmicks, and Traktor is the software that facilitates that. Meanwhile, Serato's base level integration and software design carries a professional price tag, and the quality bar of Serato approved hardware is typically much higher than the average bedroom DJ is willing to pay. Thus, the low end typically ends up invested and attached to NI solutions, without ever being able to compare software to any degree.
You are a Serato user I assume?!?!

I kind of agree on the reasons Traktor is more prolific. But low cost isnt always a precursor to low quality.

The same way as high cost isnt a precursor to high quality. Case in point? Beats headphones.
Nancey Inderlied
05.09.2013
Originally Posted by kooper1980
You Americans ALWAYS have to be different!!

In the UK any DJ i've more recently was using Traktor. When I bought an SL1 box in 2006/7 I was the only person in my city using Serato at that time. Since then though its all Traktor.

And as far as I know this community is RAN by Traktor (or Native Instruments if you want to be technically correct). It just so happens that this is where the Traktor heads gather.
Traktor is a hell of a lot more prolific sheerly because its a $70 program that functions with everything from homebrew MIDI circuits to integrated timecode solutions. Traktor's market share comes from appealing to people looking for absolute bargain bin solutions, with upgrade paths to arguably professionally serviceable solutions.

Tons upon tons of people don't exactly "prefer" Traktor over Serato, they've just never known anything else, because they search for and build upon disposable cheap options and gimmicks, and Traktor is the software that facilitates that. Meanwhile, Serato's base level integration and software design carries a professional price tag, and the quality bar of Serato approved hardware is typically much higher than the average bedroom DJ is willing to pay. Thus, the low end typically ends up invested and attached to NI solutions, without ever being able to compare software to any degree.
Kristofer Krauel
05.09.2013
Originally Posted by haze324
You can tell this is Traktor ran community .....there is so much misinformation about Serato.

To answer the OP --- you can buy a used SL2 or SL3 for a couple hundred bucks. I believe I got my SL3 for 400 bucks and my DJM 800 for about 800, add an X1 for all my midi needs and I'm set using Serato, and a DJM mixer for about 1400 bucks.

Rane mixers are awesome machines, but honestly I'd rather have a soundcard to use with any mixer because I cant take my mixer with me to the club. There's always a DJM there waiting for me.

Guess I'll add some fuel.....in Miami, I've personally never seen a local DJ using Traktor. Sure headliners (Dubfire, Hawtin, etc) are seen using it, but local DJ's I don't know of one. Perhaps guys that play in the more underground Techy scene? But normally around here it's always Serato or CDJ's/Rekordbox.
You Americans ALWAYS have to be different!!

In the UK any DJ i've more recently was using Traktor. When I bought an SL1 box in 2006/7 I was the only person in my city using Serato at that time. Since then though its all Traktor.

And as far as I know this community is RAN by Traktor (or Native Instruments if you want to be technically correct). It just so happens that this is where the Traktor heads gather.
Julissa Serrone
05.09.2013		You can tell this is Traktor ran community .....there is so much misinformation about Serato.

To answer the OP --- you can buy a used SL2 or SL3 for a couple hundred bucks. I believe I got my SL3 for 400 bucks and my DJM 800 for about 800, add an X1 for all my midi needs and I'm set using Serato, and a DJM mixer for about 1400 bucks.

Rane mixers are awesome machines, but honestly I'd rather have a soundcard to use with any mixer because I cant take my mixer with me to the club. There's always a DJM there waiting for me.

Guess I'll add some fuel.....in Miami, I've personally never seen a local DJ using Traktor. Sure headliners (Dubfire, Hawtin, etc) are seen using it, but local DJ's I don't know of one. Perhaps guys that play in the more underground Techy scene? But normally around here it's always Serato or CDJ's/Rekordbox.
Elsie Golis
05.09.2013
Originally Posted by city_boy07
No prob then, just do a cd or vinyl set!
for cd players, I prefer usb sticks with rekordbox analyzed songs on it :P
Doreen Schurle
05.09.2013
Originally Posted by city_boy07
Tbf if a venue said to me you can play but we don't want you to use this or that I'd tell them were to go
This.

Not to mention I've only seen one person using Serato in the past 2 years here; everyone else uses Traktor. As far as I'm concerned, Traktor is the industry standard now unless you're a turntablist, and even then it's 50/50.

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