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Reloop RP-8000
Posted on: 14.09.2013 by Dung Domingus
http://www.reloop.com/reloop-rp-8000

Looks like this could be cool. The buttons are a bit close to the platter imo, but I'll reserve judgement until I get to play around with one. Additionally they have posted the beatpad and key pad on their website. Thoughts?

http://www.reloop.com/reloop-beatpad

http://www.reloop.com/reloop-keypad
Doreen Schurle
18.09.2013
Originally Posted by Patch
Do you know if you can use the brake adjust to set the brake to ZERO to allow for a proper, normal "wind down"?
As far as I know, with the brake knob at its minimum it's the same as killing the power to the motor completely; it's marked as 6s which looks - from memory - to be the same as powering off a 1200.
Bethann Olortegui
18.09.2013
I would imagine that you'll see integration with Serato DJ when the DVS is unlocked. As someone mentioned, Reloop & Serato are pretty tight so they probably thought about that.

The direct drive motor has digital pitch correction and there is very very little wow and flutter so no real track drift and the 0.02% pitch resolution is almost analogue quality. This is the main difference with the OEM decks. It will also be available as the RP-7000, which has the same motor etc but just no MIDI or LCD display.

No real concern with the unit losing signal when you switch off as the start/stop adjust allows for brake effects. The switch is recessed anyway so you don't knock it by mistake.

Price in the UK will be
Delena Katherman
16.09.2013
Originally Posted by DjLiquitATL
I believe this ttable in battle mode will be a BEAST...IDK how much it'll be though...
Over $800, supposedly.
Doreen Schurle
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Thats pretty neat and all, but torque isn't really a catch all end all for tables. 1200s are sitting at around 1.7kg of torque (the "low" setting for adjustable Numarks), and we've been scratching on them just fine for decades. The issue with torque is that it almost invariably leads to huge amounts of drift, ala Numark tables.

A turntable that bills itself on "X-TREME TORQUE" might end up borderline useless, because it has more torque than anyone needs for scratching, and way too much drift to mix with better than 1200s.

tl,dr: Nobody buys professional products based on specs, I wish China would realize that. "Cheap quality" does not need to be the pipe dream it seems to be becoming.
Don't forget that they ARE adjustable, so you can tailor them to your individual preferences; believe of them as a perfect hybrid of 1200s and the TTXes, and you get the idea. Things like the adjustable brake are a godsend, because the LCD panel tells you exactly what the knob is set to, so lets say you play a lot of 110bpm stuff, and you want the turntable to come to a halt in 16 bars time of "normal speed" if you stop it 4 bars from the end, by remembering what setting you need to use you can adjust it and replicate that every single time. Bit of a specific example, but yeah lol.
Nancey Inderlied
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
From a purely technical point of view, these are currently the best turntables on the market. I had a bit more of a play with them today, and you CANNOT stop the platter moving by pressing down on the slipmat. Just keeps turning at no less than 50% of the normal speed, and I was pressing HARD. You can stop the platter using the edge, but again it requires a HARD press. If you turn the torque adjustment right down to minimum, which is the same amount as 1200s, it stops with a moderate touch of the edge.
Thats pretty neat and all, but torque isn't really a catch all end all for tables. 1200s are sitting at around 1.7kg of torque (the "low" setting for adjustable Numarks), and we've been scratching on them just fine for decades. The issue with torque is that it almost invariably leads to huge amounts of drift, ala Numark tables.

A turntable that bills itself on "X-TREME TORQUE" might end up borderline useless, because it has more torque than anyone needs for scratching, and way too much drift to mix with better than 1200s.

tl,dr: Nobody buys professional products based on specs, I wish China would realize that. "Cheap quality" does not need to be the pipe dream it seems to be becoming.
Sonja Roybal
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Chord and scale mode. That's bananas. Now technology doesn't just do all the dj mixing for you, it makes the tunes for you too.
Doreen Schurle
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by MyUsername
And the keypad looks awseome too, but I'd like it more without the drumpads so that it's a smaller unit.
Check out the Keyfadr

http://www.reloop.com/reloop-keyfadr
Annalisa Shogren
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by MyUsername
Said the man that came from the land of hip hop.
+1.
Nereida Jasnoch
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by dayvue
I've never actually seen a dj use "mix" layout, every dj I've ever seen uses battle mode (that'll be over 100 different djs)...
Said the man that came from the land of hip hop.

But damn this looks cool, the price is just a little steep. And the keypad looks awseome too, but I'd like it more without the drumpads so that it's a smaller unit.
Delena Katherman
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by dayvue
I've never actually seen a dj use "mix" layout, every dj I've ever seen uses battle mode (that'll be over 100 different djs)...
Really? I use mix layout, for what it's worth.
Vernie Kuam
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by dripstep
The button layout is perfect if you use your mixers in battle mode lol.

I've never actually seen a dj use "mix" layout, every dj I've ever seen uses battle mode (that'll be over 100 different djs)...
Doreen Schurle
18.09.2013
Originally Posted by Patch
Do you know if you can use the brake adjust to set the brake to ZERO to allow for a proper, normal "wind down"?
As far as I know, with the brake knob at its minimum it's the same as killing the power to the motor completely; it's marked as 6s which looks - from memory - to be the same as powering off a 1200.
Sonja Roybal
18.09.2013
$933.95 for one TT? Or $650 for 1200's and dicers? Or $800 for 1200's and an X1 or F1? Or $1300 for 1200's and a Z2?
Brunilda Kora
18.09.2013
Also - I wish they hadn't done it in a piano black finish.......
Brunilda Kora
18.09.2013
Do you know if you can use the brake adjust to set the brake to ZERO to allow for a proper, normal "wind down"?
Bethann Olortegui
18.09.2013
I would imagine that you'll see integration with Serato DJ when the DVS is unlocked. As someone mentioned, Reloop & Serato are pretty tight so they probably thought about that.

The direct drive motor has digital pitch correction and there is very very little wow and flutter so no real track drift and the 0.02% pitch resolution is almost analogue quality. This is the main difference with the OEM decks. It will also be available as the RP-7000, which has the same motor etc but just no MIDI or LCD display.

No real concern with the unit losing signal when you switch off as the start/stop adjust allows for brake effects. The switch is recessed anyway so you don't knock it by mistake.

Price in the UK will be
Dung Domingus
17.09.2013
While I believe the RP-8000 is generally awesome, it's a bit of a niche product. If it is indeed $800 that's the price I paid for both of my Str8-150's brand new. For people like me already invested into traktor software and NI hardware, these wouldn't give the Traktor integration and visual feedback I've been spoiled by with the z2 and f1. Also with SSL on the road to becoming a legacy product with the SDJ update, this would make me believe that Reloop would have at least announced if this will have future provided SDJ mappings(even though I'm sure it will). It just seems like it was released at a very odd time. It seems like this should have been released by somebody ages ago. Without as tight of traktor integration as a lot of modular controllers are offering for cheaper, this doesn't seem like enough to convert current Traktor dvs users or even those looking to get into it. On the serato side it is just awkward timing with serato shifting gears from SSL to SDJ. (I know there's lots of other dj software out there, but these are the to most commonly used for dvs) These would have been a game changer if it included a way to load timecode signal tracks for various software via flash drive for dvs control like cdjs (I can dream cant I?)
Federico Vilas
18.09.2013
I'll stick with my technics then
Delena Katherman
16.09.2013
Originally Posted by DjLiquitATL
I believe this ttable in battle mode will be a BEAST...IDK how much it'll be though...
Over $800, supposedly.
Federico Vilas
17.09.2013
I believe this ttable in battle mode will be a BEAST...IDK how much it'll be though...
Santos Lezcano
15.09.2013
i would rather get a pair of technics
Sonja Roybal
15.09.2013
A deal breaker for turntablists might be that apparently the sound cuts off when the deck is powered off.

I believe it's awesome that Reloop is still investing in turntables, but these just don't seem practical. The features are already offered in smaller units like the F1 and dicers, or are implemented in the mixers themselves. If your workflow is dependent on these decks, you have to haul them out with out to the party. I'm not doing that in 2013. Like a lot of new products you see, they're great for the bedroom, but not much else and they're really expensive.

A couple of the new Reloop controllers look like big wins though.
Doreen Schurle
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Thats pretty neat and all, but torque isn't really a catch all end all for tables. 1200s are sitting at around 1.7kg of torque (the "low" setting for adjustable Numarks), and we've been scratching on them just fine for decades. The issue with torque is that it almost invariably leads to huge amounts of drift, ala Numark tables.

A turntable that bills itself on "X-TREME TORQUE" might end up borderline useless, because it has more torque than anyone needs for scratching, and way too much drift to mix with better than 1200s.

tl,dr: Nobody buys professional products based on specs, I wish China would realize that. "Cheap quality" does not need to be the pipe dream it seems to be becoming.
Don't forget that they ARE adjustable, so you can tailor them to your individual preferences; believe of them as a perfect hybrid of 1200s and the TTXes, and you get the idea. Things like the adjustable brake are a godsend, because the LCD panel tells you exactly what the knob is set to, so lets say you play a lot of 110bpm stuff, and you want the turntable to come to a halt in 16 bars time of "normal speed" if you stop it 4 bars from the end, by remembering what setting you need to use you can adjust it and replicate that every single time. Bit of a specific example, but yeah lol.
Nancey Inderlied
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
From a purely technical point of view, these are currently the best turntables on the market. I had a bit more of a play with them today, and you CANNOT stop the platter moving by pressing down on the slipmat. Just keeps turning at no less than 50% of the normal speed, and I was pressing HARD. You can stop the platter using the edge, but again it requires a HARD press. If you turn the torque adjustment right down to minimum, which is the same amount as 1200s, it stops with a moderate touch of the edge.
Thats pretty neat and all, but torque isn't really a catch all end all for tables. 1200s are sitting at around 1.7kg of torque (the "low" setting for adjustable Numarks), and we've been scratching on them just fine for decades. The issue with torque is that it almost invariably leads to huge amounts of drift, ala Numark tables.

A turntable that bills itself on "X-TREME TORQUE" might end up borderline useless, because it has more torque than anyone needs for scratching, and way too much drift to mix with better than 1200s.

tl,dr: Nobody buys professional products based on specs, I wish China would realize that. "Cheap quality" does not need to be the pipe dream it seems to be becoming.
Sonja Roybal
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Chord and scale mode. That's bananas. Now technology doesn't just do all the dj mixing for you, it makes the tunes for you too.
Doreen Schurle
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by MyUsername
And the keypad looks awseome too, but I'd like it more without the drumpads so that it's a smaller unit.
Check out the Keyfadr

http://www.reloop.com/reloop-keyfadr
Annalisa Shogren
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by MyUsername
Said the man that came from the land of hip hop.
+1.
Johnsie Kingrea
15.09.2013
Although i'm stoked on these new turntables I feel that it may be too late for this. The ideal time for this product would've been within a couple years of DVS being introduced. It's a great idea but there are already so many substitutes on the market (Dicers, X1, midi capable mixers: 57SL, 61, 62, Z2.)

Also Reloop stuff is especially hard to come by in Canada so I can only imagine how much it would end up costing for a pair after shipping, duty, etc.
Nereida Jasnoch
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by dayvue
I've never actually seen a dj use "mix" layout, every dj I've ever seen uses battle mode (that'll be over 100 different djs)...
Said the man that came from the land of hip hop.

But damn this looks cool, the price is just a little steep. And the keypad looks awseome too, but I'd like it more without the drumpads so that it's a smaller unit.
Delena Katherman
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by dayvue
I've never actually seen a dj use "mix" layout, every dj I've ever seen uses battle mode (that'll be over 100 different djs)...
Really? I use mix layout, for what it's worth.
Vernie Kuam
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by dripstep
The button layout is perfect if you use your mixers in battle mode lol.

I've never actually seen a dj use "mix" layout, every dj I've ever seen uses battle mode (that'll be over 100 different djs)...
Delena Katherman
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
I wonder if the pitch read out can be changed to display bpm. That seems more useful.
Yes. That would be awesome.
Sonja Roybal
15.09.2013
It's a really expensive turntable with a high torque motor and built in dicers? Am I missing something? Was there ever a problem with the motor on a 1200? They're pretty cool but don't seem like game changers.

The browse encoder is the coolest feature IMO. I wonder if the pitch read out can be changed to display bpm. That seems more useful.
Trevor Domigan
16.09.2013
I might be wrong but everyone is talking about this motor being the ultimate, by the looks of it ( http://www.reloop.com/reloop-rp-8000 ) it's the same one used in all the other super oem turntables? Love the pads though, if I wasnt sitting on a pair of Stanton str8.150 I would definitely go for these ones.
Doreen Schurle
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Cook
I wont be buying them for anything other than vinyl mixing. im in the process of selling my sl2 and s4 because i can req. 2000s at gigs now,

And whos to say the dampening on this TT is anywhere near as good as the techs, no point buying nice new decks if the needles are going to skeet about everywhere
From a purely technical point of view, these are currently the best turntables on the market. I had a bit more of a play with them today, and you CANNOT stop the platter moving by pressing down on the slipmat. Just keeps turning at no less than 50% of the normal speed, and I was pressing HARD. You can stop the platter using the edge, but again it requires a HARD press. If you turn the torque adjustment right down to minimum, which is the same amount as 1200s, it stops with a moderate touch of the edge.

Spin-up times are insane as well, we're talking less than half a second to spin up to full speed. Same with stop times too, but there IS a start/stop adjustment knob as well which goes all the way from those speeds down to 1200s power-off spindown rates.
Dione Haimes
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Rukks
Compared to a single CDJ that costs about that much, it doesn't seem to ridiculous, you are getting the same functions as a CDJ except you can play vinyl instead of CDs and flashdrives...You are getting a brand new turntable, no worries about having to refurb an old tech 1200
I wont be buying them for anything other than vinyl mixing. im in the process of selling my sl2 and s4 because i can req. 2000s at gigs now,

And whos to say the dampening on this TT is anywhere near as good as the techs, no point buying nice new decks if the needles are going to skeet about everywhere
Lang Abriel
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Cook
Ive been wanting new TTs for a while cos i miss mixing real vinyl, was looking at getting 1200mk5s,

ill wait till the serato community s review this and compare it against the 1200 before i make the decision though

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Dione Haimes
15.09.2013
Ive been wanting new TTs for a while cos i miss mixing real vinyl, was looking at getting 1200mk5s,

ill wait till the serato community s review this and compare it against the 1200 before i make the decision though

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Yong Aptekar
15.09.2013
Really cool, but drum rolls and beat jumping sounds like skip skip skip. Unless you use absolute mode. Personally I like relative, but still, I want to try one of these out. The button layout is perfect if you use your mixers in battle mode lol.
Corey Ganer
15.09.2013
Doesn't Vestax allready offer a MIDI capapble turntable?

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