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Answer to mapping questions Posted on: 07.01.2011 by Marguerite Truka I was sent s pm by faid jair asking "im trying to set a fader to activate the third chained effect when it reachs certain position..." (as ean does here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMP7yMvNja8 So here is the simple solution that will effect, effect unit one in chained mode. It controls any effects that are loaded into slots one and 3. All you need to do is map all the following controls to one encoder. From here you can play about with the sensitivity to it more or less responsive. I found my herc rmx to sometimes be a bit buggy (when moving the encoder very fast) with this and the latest version of traktor but works perfect on other controllers. PS I have taken my hercules rmx appart about ten times probs dnt help I am nearly done with my book on MIDI mapping. The book will also contain ways of dealing with buggy controllers and expand on effects with many examples ranging from a simple solution like this to full solutions that will auto set up values like in the video. If any1 has any other questions please fire away the harder the better. Or any suggestions for my book. BTW the book will be free but donations would be nice so i can continue its evolution
Retta Chimento 10.01.2011	Originally Posted by VanGogo Thanks again Florian. That mapping is a fairly good work around, but because of the sensitivity it isn't 100% reliable. I did up the sensitivity to 25% and it's better for me, but if you crank it to hard it can mess up. Not as good as having a midi note at the end, but it does work. Maybe after practicing a bit I can avoid the inconsistancies. Still nice work around! I was searching for this non VCI solution for a long time and then found it at this community . It works fine with my S4! No problems regarding the reliability. Seems to be different from device to device. But having a MIDI note at the end sounds rock solid to me, too. Anyhow, I
Retta Chimento 10.01.2011	Originally Posted by VanGogo Thanks again Florian. That mapping is a fairly good work around, but because of the sensitivity it isn't 100% reliable. I did up the sensitivity to 25% and it's better for me, but if you crank it to hard it can mess up. Not as good as having a midi note at the end, but it does work. Maybe after practicing a bit I can avoid the inconsistancies. Still nice work around! I was searching for this non VCI solution for a long time and then found it at this community . It works fine with my S4! No problems regarding the reliability. Seems to be different from device to device. But having a MIDI note at the end sounds rock solid to me, too. Anyhow, I
Retta Chimento 10.01.2011	Originally Posted by VanGogo Thanks again Florian. That mapping is a fairly good work around, but because of the sensitivity it isn't 100% reliable. I did up the sensitivity to 25% and it's better for me, but if you crank it to hard it can mess up. Not as good as having a midi note at the end, but it does work. Maybe after practicing a bit I can avoid the inconsistancies. Still nice work around! I was searching for this non VCI solution for a long time and then found it at this community . It works fine with my S4! No problems regarding the reliability. Seems to be different from device to device. But having a MIDI note at the end sounds rock solid to me, too. Anyhow, I
Retta Chimento 10.01.2011	Originally Posted by VanGogo Thanks again Florian. That mapping is a fairly good work around, but because of the sensitivity it isn't 100% reliable. I did up the sensitivity to 25% and it's better for me, but if you crank it to hard it can mess up. Not as good as having a midi note at the end, but it does work. Maybe after practicing a bit I can avoid the inconsistancies. Still nice work around! I was searching for this non VCI solution for a long time and then found it at this community . It works fine with my S4! No problems regarding the reliability. Seems to be different from device to device. But having a MIDI note at the end sounds rock solid to me, too. Anyhow, I
Retta Chimento 10.01.2011	Originally Posted by VanGogo Thanks again Florian. That mapping is a fairly good work around, but because of the sensitivity it isn't 100% reliable. I did up the sensitivity to 25% and it's better for me, but if you crank it to hard it can mess up. Not as good as having a midi note at the end, but it does work. Maybe after practicing a bit I can avoid the inconsistancies. Still nice work around! I was searching for this non VCI solution for a long time and then found it at this community . It works fine with my S4! No problems regarding the reliability. Seems to be different from device to device. But having a MIDI note at the end sounds rock solid to me, too. Anyhow, I
Retta Chimento 10.01.2011	Originally Posted by VanGogo Thanks again Florian. That mapping is a fairly good work around, but because of the sensitivity it isn't 100% reliable. I did up the sensitivity to 25% and it's better for me, but if you crank it to hard it can mess up. Not as good as having a midi note at the end, but it does work. Maybe after practicing a bit I can avoid the inconsistancies. Still nice work around! I was searching for this non VCI solution for a long time and then found it at this community . It works fine with my S4! No problems regarding the reliability. Seems to be different from device to device. But having a MIDI note at the end sounds rock solid to me, too. Anyhow, I
Alec Reback 14.01.2011	Works like a charm, thanks to all of you! Originally Posted by Florian Arndt This one works for me: Create a Modifier, in this case Modifier #2: Modifier #2 In Global Relative Mapped to your Fader Type of Controller: Fader/Knob Rotary Sensitivity: 23% Effect 2 on In FX Unit 1 Hold Mapped to your Fader Type of Controller: Button Interaction Mode: Hold Effect 2 Amount In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Type of Controller: Fader/Knob Interaction Mode: Direct Effect 3 On In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Modifier Conditions: M2=7 Button Options: Set Value to: 1 Effect 3 On In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Modifier Conditions: M2=6 Button Options: Set Value to: 0 Dry/Wet Group In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Modifier Conditions: M2=7 Type of Controller: Button Button Options: Set to value: 1.000 I hope, that makes sense. Regards Flo
Retta Chimento 10.01.2011	Originally Posted by VanGogo Thanks again Florian. That mapping is a fairly good work around, but because of the sensitivity it isn't 100% reliable. I did up the sensitivity to 25% and it's better for me, but if you crank it to hard it can mess up. Not as good as having a midi note at the end, but it does work. Maybe after practicing a bit I can avoid the inconsistancies. Still nice work around! I was searching for this non VCI solution for a long time and then found it at this community . It works fine with my S4! No problems regarding the reliability. Seems to be different from device to device. But having a MIDI note at the end sounds rock solid to me, too. Anyhow, I
Retta Chimento 09.01.2011	Originally Posted by VanGogo Ok tried it out with a fader and inverted the button action no luck. Thought I had tried that a long time ago, but I'm old and forgetful. Ok, let me see a mapping for a fader that will turn on Fx Slot 2(at 0+) and control the amount of Fx slot 2, and turn on Fx slot 3 at the end of its range (100%), then turns Slot 3 off as soon as you leave 100%. Please. This one works for me: Create a Modifier, in this case Modifier #2: Modifier #2 In Global Relative Mapped to your Fader Type of Controller: Fader/Knob Rotary Sensitivity: 23% Effect 2 on In FX Unit 1 Hold Mapped to your Fader Type of Controller: Button Interaction Mode: Hold Effect 2 Amount In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Type of Controller: Fader/Knob Interaction Mode: Direct Effect 3 On In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Modifier Conditions: M2=7 Button Options: Set Value to: 1 Effect 3 On In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Modifier Conditions: M2=6 Button Options: Set Value to: 0 Dry/Wet Group In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Modifier Conditions: M2=7 Type of Controller: Button Button Options: Set to value: 1.000 I hope, that makes sense. Regards Flo
Allene Manitta 08.01.2011	Originally Posted by tombruton69 What is the firmware bug. nice video showing the bug http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovl2f36v7Cw&translated=1 so the far-right effect-button also triggers the FX a/b/master button according to the FX selected on the VCI (it works the other way round, too, what causes my actual mapping to malfunction .)
Alec Reback 14.01.2011	Works like a charm, thanks to all of you! Originally Posted by Florian Arndt This one works for me: Create a Modifier, in this case Modifier #2: Modifier #2 In Global Relative Mapped to your Fader Type of Controller: Fader/Knob Rotary Sensitivity: 23% Effect 2 on In FX Unit 1 Hold Mapped to your Fader Type of Controller: Button Interaction Mode: Hold Effect 2 Amount In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Type of Controller: Fader/Knob Interaction Mode: Direct Effect 3 On In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Modifier Conditions: M2=7 Button Options: Set Value to: 1 Effect 3 On In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Modifier Conditions: M2=6 Button Options: Set Value to: 0 Dry/Wet Group In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Modifier Conditions: M2=7 Type of Controller: Button Button Options: Set to value: 1.000 I hope, that makes sense. Regards Flo
Marguerite Truka 10.01.2011	the encoder version works just look at my other comments as 4got to put a midi message in the table. The solution to make this more stable is to add a effect on for the effect on each modifier state and set it to direct and value zero. Yea I believe alot of cheaper faders and encoders can miss midi values so modifier states can be missed and not sent to traktor. My mpd 24 works alot better than my hercules rmx
Retta Chimento 10.01.2011	Originally Posted by VanGogo Thanks again Florian. That mapping is a fairly good work around, but because of the sensitivity it isn't 100% reliable. I did up the sensitivity to 25% and it's better for me, but if you crank it to hard it can mess up. Not as good as having a midi note at the end, but it does work. Maybe after practicing a bit I can avoid the inconsistancies. Still nice work around! I was searching for this non VCI solution for a long time and then found it at this community . It works fine with my S4! No problems regarding the reliability. Seems to be different from device to device. But having a MIDI note at the end sounds rock solid to me, too. Anyhow, I
Marguerite Truka 09.01.2011	I was going to post how to do it with a fader. Mine was done with an encoder. Yep moving it to fast can cause probs however I have solved this issue. Beavering away at my book at the mo. Could really do with sum midi savvi folk to proof read my book to spot any mistakes on my side. Also could do with some noobs to proof read aswell As I am trying to cover everything right from the basics
Charline Dye 09.01.2011	Thanks again Florian. That mapping is a fairly good work around, but because of the sensitivity it isn't 100% reliable. I did up the sensitivity to 25% and it's better for me, but if you crank it to hard it can mess up. Not as good as having a midi note at the end, but it does work. Maybe after practicing a bit I can avoid the inconsistancies. Still nice work around!
Charline Dye 09.01.2011	perfect sense thanks! I'm not a newbie to mapping, but had yet to figure this out. Some one had mentioned doing it this way (Yul I believe) but I wasn't sure how to do it. Was pretty sure the mapping earlier in this thread wasn't going to work, or was missing some things. I'll give this a go later toevening .
Retta Chimento 09.01.2011	Originally Posted by VanGogo Ok tried it out with a fader and inverted the button action no luck. Thought I had tried that a long time ago, but I'm old and forgetful. Ok, let me see a mapping for a fader that will turn on Fx Slot 2(at 0+) and control the amount of Fx slot 2, and turn on Fx slot 3 at the end of its range (100%), then turns Slot 3 off as soon as you leave 100%. Please. This one works for me: Create a Modifier, in this case Modifier #2: Modifier #2 In Global Relative Mapped to your Fader Type of Controller: Fader/Knob Rotary Sensitivity: 23% Effect 2 on In FX Unit 1 Hold Mapped to your Fader Type of Controller: Button Interaction Mode: Hold Effect 2 Amount In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Type of Controller: Fader/Knob Interaction Mode: Direct Effect 3 On In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Modifier Conditions: M2=7 Button Options: Set Value to: 1 Effect 3 On In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Modifier Conditions: M2=6 Button Options: Set Value to: 0 Dry/Wet Group In FX Unit 1 Direct Mapped to your Fader Modifier Conditions: M2=7 Type of Controller: Button Button Options: Set to value: 1.000 I hope, that makes sense. Regards Flo
Marguerite Truka 08.01.2011	are they the same cc
Allene Manitta 08.01.2011	Originally Posted by tombruton69 What is the firmware bug. nice video showing the bug http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovl2f36v7Cw&translated=1 so the far-right effect-button also triggers the FX a/b/master button according to the FX selected on the VCI (it works the other way round, too, what causes my actual mapping to malfunction .)
Marguerite Truka 08.01.2011	The mapping was for an encoder and needs the alteration i put in my last post. Will work one out for a fader wen i get up
Charline Dye 08.01.2011	Ok tried it out with a fader and inverted the button action no luck. Thought I had tried that a long time ago, but I'm old and forgetful. Ok, let me see a mapping for a fader that will turn on Fx Slot 2(at 0+) and control the amount of Fx slot 2, and turn on Fx slot 3 at the end of its range (100%), then turns Slot 3 off as soon as you leave 100%. Please.
Marguerite Truka 08.01.2011	just noticed i Have made a mistake in my chart. Modifier 7 condition should be 7 for effect 3 on for it to work. with this method it is possible to do the same effect as ians just need to change some values and add a few things
Charline Dye 07.01.2011	I need to read more closely before posting. The chart you listed shows that you inverted the button action so it does turn on at the 100% mark of the encoder instead of 0+, and yes that will turn on the effect at the end of a fader, knob, or encoder. I believe your solution is great, and can't believe I didn't believe of it, lol. But it isn't quite the same thing as the VCI Fader Fx because they also have a note in the middle to map to, as well as a note at the end. Your way achieves almost the same capability to play the Fx though. Also curious, what is the modifyer 7 for in your chart as it relates to this mapping?
Marguerite Truka 07.01.2011	If you want a mapping for this on a fader or knob id be more than happy to make one
Marguerite Truka 07.01.2011	that mapping is for an encoder. Can be done with knobs aswell
Charline Dye 07.01.2011	Sorry I read over it too quickly. Are you using an encoder or are you using a fader/knob and selecting encoder in the mapping?
Marguerite Truka 07.01.2011	if you dont beleive it try the above mapping. Will also be coving bomes in my book at some point probs not 1st edition but most things ppl say you need it for you really dont
Charline Dye 07.01.2011	I don't believe you can map a knob/fader to turn on a button at the middle or end of it's travel without Bomes. Only the beginning. The VCI firmware and the new Midi fighter firmware give you Midi notes to map in the middle and end of the knob/fader range, but that is on the hardware side of things. Ean came up with this for his Fader Fx Theory.
Marguerite Truka 07.01.2011	What is the firmware bug.
Allene Manitta 07.01.2011	any way to handle the 1.2 firmware bug of the VCI-100 without changing the actual firmware?

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