MidiFighter styled mapping on my APC40, problems with "sluring" my buttons. :/
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MidiFighter styled mapping on my APC40, problems with "sluring" my buttons. :/ Posted on: 20.07.2011 by Trinh Sochia I'm working on my mapping for my APC40. I made a layer that turns a 4x4 grid of buttons all yellow and its all suppose to be for effects. i have a whole row for beatmashing at certian amounts and the row below for Transposing. It all works fine. But for one thing. If I'm holding down a beatmash button, and I want to increase the beatmash amount, my fingers want to "connect" like I'm sluring between two notes on a piano. BUT. when i do that, the Effect # on command for the next button doesn't go through. The amount will change, but the effect will turn off. If I hold a button down, release it, then press another one, making sure I didn't connect it, everything works like it should. But I'm far from happy with this. With quick mashing or transposing, making sure I don't connect buttons is pretty much impossible. :/ALSO, a similar problem, if i have a button select a certain effect, set the amount, and turn it on, it won't turn the effect on. But it will set the amount and load the right effect. If i release the button and press it again, it works fine. But its rather annoying. :/ It seems like something that would completely cripple someone using a midifighter. So there's gotta be a way to fix this. :/ Thanks! | |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 25.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by Kade2410
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| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by NotSoSiniSter
unless someone can believe of an easier way... what i would do is for each button that interacts in this way: * add a modifier thats set to "incr" when you press each button * set the same modifier to "dec" when you press each button * when you press any button have it enable any fx etc you want * when you release any button have it only disable the fx if the modifier is set to 1 (or maybe 0 - would need to try - dont remember the order they get processed in) i.e: so the fx will then only disengage when its the last button being released |
| Trinh Sochia 23.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by zestoi
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| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by NotSoSiniSter
to have a button turn on an affect in an 'instant' type way you just need to map all of... * FX Single > Effect Select (or Effect X Select for group mode) * FX Single > Effect Param X - if wanted etc * FX Single > Effect On (or Effect X On for group mode) * Mixer > Effect Unit X On set them all to the same "Interaction Mode" etc to ensure they all happen at the same time certainly no need for modifiers anyway just to do that - tho using modifiers can be chucked into the mix (lol) too ofc... |
| Trinh Sochia 20.07.2011 | I'm working on my mapping for my APC40. I made a layer that turns a 4x4 grid of buttons all yellow and its all suppose to be for effects. i have a whole row for beatmashing at certian amounts and the row below for Transposing. It all works fine. But for one thing. If I'm holding down a beatmash button, and I want to increase the beatmash amount, my fingers want to "connect" like I'm sluring between two notes on a piano. BUT. when i do that, the Effect # on command for the next button doesn't go through. The amount will change, but the effect will turn off. If I hold a button down, release it, then press another one, making sure I didn't connect it, everything works like it should. But I'm far from happy with this. With quick mashing or transposing, making sure I don't connect buttons is pretty much impossible. :/ ALSO, a similar problem, if i have a button select a certain effect, set the amount, and turn it on, it won't turn the effect on. But it will set the amount and load the right effect. If i release the button and press it again, it works fine. But its rather annoying. :/ It seems like something that would completely cripple someone using a midifighter. So there's gotta be a way to fix this. :/ Thanks! |
| Milagro Tanigawa 15.08.2011 | Ok, Ive been trying out some things, but I've ran into a problem. Ive learned that my buttons that Inc and Dec my modifiers are working just fine. In the controller window, I can see the variable going up and down as I press and release buttons in any combination, as they should. The problem I have is when I try to get Traktor to change a variable based on what my modifier condition is. It wants to apply the effect before the modifier is changed. I tried an experiment; one button with only these commands. In this case I use the 'Key' as a means of telling when my modifier is being applied: >Modifier #1 - Button - Inc >Key - Mod Conditions = M1 = 0 - Button - Direct - 0.0 >Key - Mod Conditions = M1 = 1 - Button - Direct - 0.1 >ect... The thing is, when I hit the button, its as if Traktor detects the Key commands before it changes modifier 1. When I press the button I want the modifier to go up, and for the Key knob to immediatly reflect that. But, since it detects to see where the Key should be first, it uses the value that the Modifier was set at BEFORE I hit the button. So the button, when I hit it, basically detects the modifier and changes the key, THEN increases the modifier, meaning the Key is always one button push behind where it should be. Also, when I set a button to increase a modifier when pressed, and decrease when released, it only "detects" the Key commands ONCE at the beginning of the button press. Any of this making sense? How do I get Traktor to 'detect' commands with Modifier Conditions last instead of first? As well as every time a button is pressed or released? |
| Celinda Dolfi 06.08.2011 | I've been waiting for this mapping for ages, I can't figure out how to do it on my own considering the instant gratification mappings are hard for me to understand. I would greatly appreciate it if you could share this mapping, o so very much |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 27.07.2011 | "Effect Unit 1 ON" is the bit that enables an effects unit for a specific deck (as you can apply any fx unit to any/all/none of your 4 decks ofc) compared with just turning on the effects in an effects unit. i tend to have 2 fx units in single mode and 2 in group - but i'm still trying to get to grips with what works best for me... |
| Milagro Tanigawa 27.07.2011 | @ zestoi; No prob, just clarifying That being said though, Ive just tried many different solutions for getting these buttons mapped out and havent been able to make anything work. I tried a few different variations on your solution, and its possible that it is the right one, but I may be missing some minor setting adjustment thats screwing up the whole thing. For example, Im not sure what the difference is between "Effect Unit 1 ON" and "FX Single > Effect On" and which one I shuld use, how exactly I can get the modifier itself to control the 'effect on/off', and wether my effect on/off should be an In or an Out... Theres also one other minor issue with loop rolling with beatmasher2 that compounds things; in order to pull off the effect correctly, the second parameter (which I believe is labeled 'ROT') HAS to be on 0 before the effect is turned on. Ive found that if the ROT is on anything but 0, and if you have a button that turns the effect on and turns down the ROT to 0 simultaneously, it creates a weird delay before your loop begins. I believe this has something to do with the order in which Traktor applies multiple commands to a button; Traktor seems to favor the on/off first. ...all this does is further confuse me as to how the midifighter does loop rolls all with one single button, including 'slurring'. The only way Ive found to get around the 'delay' is to either have the effect selected, with ROT turned down before you begin loop rolls... or to have a button that 'primes' the effect, by loading the effect, then adjusting the parameters (without turning it on)(you need to have "reset effect values when new effect is selected" UNchecked). EDIT: Rewatching Eans video again, and I see he doesnt even use Single effects, all his effect are in Groups, including beatmasher. So, I guess using beatmasher in this way will 'cut out' the need for adjusting ROT, and basically dumb it down to the essential functions for loop rolling... handy! Once I completely solve this, its going in the mapping tips thread. |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 25.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by Kade2410
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| Milagro Tanigawa 25.07.2011 | I believe I have the same problem as SiniSter... Ill explain it in my own words though, so tell me if I'm right. Im basically trying to map Serato style "Loop Roll" buttons to my controller using the Beatmasher 2 to get the desired effect. I have one button that sets the effect up (selects the effect and changes some parameters), then the 4 main mash buttons that turn the effect on and off, as well as adjust the loop from 1/4 to 1/32. Pressing one button at a time is no problem. I can also press one button, then press and hold another until all 4 buttons are held, and my "chain" will hold together if you get what I mean. But when I release even one of the buttons, it turns off the effect wether I have other buttons held or not. If THINK this is the same thing... so, zestoi, Im going to try your fix to see if I can get it working. But shouldnt it technically be...
* add a modifier thats set to "incr" when you press each button
* set the same modifier to "dec" when you release(?) each button |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by NotSoSiniSter
unless someone can believe of an easier way... what i would do is for each button that interacts in this way: * add a modifier thats set to "incr" when you press each button * set the same modifier to "dec" when you press each button * when you press any button have it enable any fx etc you want * when you release any button have it only disable the fx if the modifier is set to 1 (or maybe 0 - would need to try - dont remember the order they get processed in) i.e: so the fx will then only disengage when its the last button being released |
| Trinh Sochia 23.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by zestoi
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| Chasidy Heckenbach 23.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by NotSoSiniSter
to have a button turn on an affect in an 'instant' type way you just need to map all of... * FX Single > Effect Select (or Effect X Select for group mode) * FX Single > Effect Param X - if wanted etc * FX Single > Effect On (or Effect X On for group mode) * Mixer > Effect Unit X On set them all to the same "Interaction Mode" etc to ensure they all happen at the same time certainly no need for modifiers anyway just to do that - tho using modifiers can be chucked into the mix (lol) too ofc... |
| Trinh Sochia 22.07.2011 | Lol. How does the instant Gradification mapping do it? I was looking at it and each of the 4 mash values have a modifier bound to 0 1 2 or 3. does someone understand it? :P |
| Lilliana Perris 22.07.2011 | Whoa! |
| Latoria Kavulich 22.07.2011 | yep .. *teleport* |
| Lilliana Perris 22.07.2011 | Maybe you should put this post up in the mapping section bro? |
| Trinh Sochia 21.07.2011 | Is this such an obscure question that no one can help me? Besides Padi, theres gotta be someone out there with some advanced mapping skills under their belt. :/ |
| Trinh Sochia 21.07.2011 | bump. >.> |
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