Trying to get rid of the Sync button.
Trying to get rid of the Sync button. Posted on: 17.01.2011 by Hyman Landez So I've been Djing for five years and I've been using button based controllers so no jog wheels. I feel like I've been cheating all these years as a dj. I was planning to save up for the Pioneer CDJ350 system but I don't know if it's the right choice. What controllers/ cd players or any other devices would you guys recommend to learn to beat match manually?Thanks. | |
| Mac Fly 20.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by Porkie
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| Ulysses Vittetoe 18.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by willrjmarshall
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| Melinda Shick 18.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by coolout
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| Gilma Marchini 18.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by DJKeyWee
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| Mac Fly 20.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by Porkie
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| Merilyn Sellards 20.01.2011 | interesting, to see that the whole sync thing is still an issue for some people... is it me but even in traktor sometimes you don't get the best phase of the loop on top of the other song/loop so I purposely shift the phase to see if there is something better(it's still manual 50%). I don't have to do much with the fader because my bpms are in place, but still need to hear the beats snap into place, I come from using cdj 100/200 so whatever it feels almost the same(and most new cdjs give you bpm anyway)and even though I mastered this, it was still never the fun part about djing so screw that. I will say this again even if the sync makes my grandma be able to mix so be it!(I believe that's cool, you can communicate with more people other than djs about what you are doing once they can fiddle a bit with it). Unless you have gridded all your tracks it's far from perfect and you will always bump into those problematic tracks so there you need the skill . Plus this is so far from true how many here have tried to teach a friend how to use your controller, and I'm talking about people who want to learn, and they still majorly F it up? In my case they do, due to the fact that they forget to be aware of everything that's happening with ALL the controls/phases/parts of the song/equalization etc, in short all the things that build a dj/producer/mixer/controllerist whatever you want to call it. I hate those pioneer snobs who just beatmatch the next song and just go right into the next one, big deal, and big waste of buck, but thats only my point of view. ;P So I hope nobody gets angry here, some djs have to do just that, go into the next, but if you're wanting to get somewhere in the skills dept just use the Sjiet of your gear in creative ways |
| Yee Bedilion 19.01.2011 |
I see Vestax PDXs and Tech 1200s go for under $200 each all the time.
NExt time you see a pair buy them for me and ship them to NL, 250 each and 200 bones shiping to get to this rock I live on haha. Should cover it. lol |
| Hermine Lally 19.01.2011 | It might be tough if you're in a remote area but here in the states, especially major cities, turntables are everywhere and much cheaper than CDJs. I see Vestax PDXs and Tech 1200s go for under $200 each all the time. Here in Philly, they are standard in every decent evening club, but Philly is a DJ town. |
| Yee Bedilion 19.01.2011 | I too am in the same boat. I got all thee controllers and the theory but my skills are weak. What I have been doing is setting the pitch fader to the encoder on the X1 so its more responsive then just trying to use a button to pitch adjust. I live in St. John's, Newfoundland. Nothing is really that cheap. I'm waiting for a turntable or two to turn up on the second hand market. Its a big wait. X1 Encoder will have to do me for now. |
| Larhonda Veuleman 18.01.2011 | Exactly. You can always map buttons to arbitrarily small increments for fine adjustments. Reliability and so on, while a strongpoint of Technics is not exactly a big factor when learning to beatmatch @ home. If CDJs were cheap I'd recommend them. They're not - buying a pair of CDJs gets you a workable but very basic and inflexible system, and at really considerable expense. The economics just don't make sense. |
| Lisa Lochotzki 18.01.2011 | Don't tell me you can't... Back In the 80's I learn on modified tape deck and on Radio Shack (Realistic) belt-drive turntables (with wax paper underneath the slip mat so it can slip easier)... oh yeah the pitch wasn't a fader but the kind you have on the old Technics Sl-B2. You may learn the hard way on regular midi controller if they don't have high resolution pitch fader... nothing bad here. You'll find it easier on higher end gear, and understand why It cost more. Still you'll learn. |
| Ulysses Vittetoe 18.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by willrjmarshall
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| Kiyoko Wellisch 18.01.2011 | Bullshit. The pitch fader of most midi controllers isn't nearly good enough to beat match with. They are always too small and standard midi isn't accurate enough. Get some turntables or some cheap CDJs. |
| Larhonda Veuleman 18.01.2011 | CDJs and turntables are a bit of a dead end. You can learn to beatmatch on any controller with jogs and a pitch fader |
| Melinda Shick 18.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by coolout
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| Hermine Lally 18.01.2011 | GET SOME TURNTABLES...the easiest, cheapest and most fun way to learn how to beatmatch. You can always find someone selling some good turntables cheap, there are literally MILLIONS of them out there. There's always some kid, that buys some believeing he was going to be the next ________(insert turntablist name here) and then decides that it's not for him. I have a friend that can't say no to cheap turntables...he has I believe 4 or 5 pairs of Tech 1200s in his house. My advice is to troll craigslist or pawn shops and get some decent turntables: Tech 1200s, Vestax PDXs, or even Numark tt-500 or TTXs...then buy a couple records that you like. You learn how to mix by ear without a tempo display and with no latency. Plus you might actually get into buying records and discovering music that you might not find online. |
| Gilma Marchini 18.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by DJKeyWee
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| Lisa Lochotzki 17.01.2011 | mmm, interesting, I'll dig it. Thanks. |
| Ulysses Vittetoe 17.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by DJKeyWee
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| Lisa Lochotzki 17.01.2011 | I don't have any pitch fader bug with my sc2000, I must be lucky? |
| Ulysses Vittetoe 17.01.2011 | The sc2000 currently has a firmware bug with the pitch faders, just an fyi. If you want to really learn to beatmatch skip a controller for now and get that pair of 350s. The s4 is no help either even since the settings for changing the pitch bend sensitivity are bugged in traktor s4 and the pitch faders are small. However, maybe wait a bit and take a look at the ddj t1 because the jog wheels and pitch faders are also nice and big plus it's from pioneer so you know you're getting quality. |
| Nedra Fresneda 17.01.2011 | turn off the phase meter and bpm/pitch% readings. time will train your ears not only to match bpms but know when the beat is phased (even the tiniest bit). you can turn snap and quant off for a closer "cdj" experience, will help your timing too i'm kinda in the same boat as you since i'm going back to the basics a bit, just needed a proper pitch fader and keep myself busy on those not in the mood/not "live remixing crowds". i don't consider it cheating, just wasted time if you are not doing something interesting with it. |
| Antonetta Wikel 17.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by DJKeyWee
It's funny because I'm coming from the other direction, been beatmatching on vinyl and CD's for nearly 2 decades and now I have this sync button that allows me freedom to loop and cue jump,basically remix on the fly. Ultimately I'm very happy with my current setup as it allows me to mix "oldschool" or "controllerist" depending on my mood. |
| Lisa Lochotzki 17.01.2011 | mmm... get rid of the screen would be the best... but it's me. |
| Teresia Janusch 17.01.2011 | ditto... the phase meter in traktor should help you learn too |
| Lisa Lochotzki 17.01.2011 | Anything with a pitch fader that fits your budget... as simple as this. A pair of Denon SC2000 works a treat. |
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