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6 analogues and 14 digital outputs - the
Posted on: 15.11.2010 by Arcelia Siebeneck
Just picked up a couple of old xbox 1 gamepads from a charity shop for
Shay Wyche
20.05.2011
Originally Posted by Kurbitur
i was wondering, i got a ps2 gamepad that has one broken joystick which makes it impossible to use. Could i clip the ps2 connector off and convert into usb and use that as a brain?
Buy one of these instead. A PS2 gamepad to usb converter.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PLAYSTATION-PS...item2c5a8e3190
Gilma Marchini
07.01.2011
Originally Posted by ctrld
confession time: I clicked on this thread only because my dirty mind made a connection between "6 analogues and 14 digitals" and "2 girls 1 cup".
No matter what you post... It makes me happy.

Edit: me too
Annis Osbourn
06.01.2011
Originally Posted by MiL0
Windows would likely support up to 4 xbox controllers at the same time (haven't checked but it could be more). A usb hub wouldn't be necessary since each xbox gamepad has a built in 2 port usb hub so they could all be daisychained off each other inside the midi controller case.
I understand but will the chaining increase the latency of it all or is there no noticeable difference? And can you make a guess at how much LEDs i can power from the linked brains?

btw im getting really excited about this method. Im goin to buy 4 controllers this weekend and start testing. Awesome post!
Arcelia Siebeneck
06.01.2011
Originally Posted by Maxted
I'm not sure how you'd go about connecting them, but what i'd do would be to use a powered USB Hub inside the controller, with all the PCBs running through it, you could even use a hub with more inputs and have some spare.
Windows would likely support up to 4 xbox controllers at the same time (haven't checked but it could be more). A usb hub wouldn't be necessary since each xbox gamepad has a built in 2 port usb hub so they could all be daisychained off each other inside the midi controller case.
Melinda Shick
05.01.2011
Originally Posted by jessevdriel
Hey, I'm planning on making a custom controller myself, but i haven't decided about the brain yet. I believe that you don't have to buy a board but you can just rip one from something like an xbox controller.(this is an awesome post) The only thing is, I want a lot more knobs then 2 controllers offer. Is it possible to link 4 or even 5 or 6 to the first board? I'm really looking forward to start building mine.

thx in advance
DJ SpeakerFreaker
I'm not sure how you'd go about connecting them, but what i'd do would be to use a powered USB Hub inside the controller, with all the PCBs running through it, you could even use a hub with more inputs and have some spare.
Wava Egizi
18.11.2010
Originally Posted by MiL0
anyone know what kind of potentiometers they use? I'm guessing 10k linear?
Don't know... Get a multimeter and find out!
Shay Wyche
18.11.2010
Originally Posted by MiL0
anyone know what kind of potentiometers they use? I'm guessing 10k linear?
That's what I used for the Leo Bodnar device, which is the same thing really - a game controller. I believe I read somewhere on here that the size of the pot isn't too important, but the fact that it is linear is. I seem to remember someone saying 10 -100k will work, but 10k is the standard.

I can't find any of the post to quote it though.
Dacia Mccart
22.05.2011		[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-SideWinder-Game-Pad-USB/dp/B000069JX9"]Amazon.com: Microsoft SideWinder Game Pad USB: Electronics@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41GW7S58VKL.@@AMEPARAM@@41GW7S58VKL[/ame] would this work? Some guy offered me this cheap!
Dacia Mccart
22.05.2011		Try clicking on the broken pic thing. Should see them
Joan Kollmorgen
22.05.2011		So clear I can't see them
Dacia Mccart
22.05.2011		Here is photos. If they aren't clear enough i can try to find a better camera


Eli Hergonz
21.05.2011		go buy buy buy
I probably want make mine but always happy to see this kind of discussions

http://cgi.ebay.com/Black-Wired-Game...item20b7d80595
Ericka Pippens
20.05.2011		Milo, the pots are 10k. Somewhere I read that you can use up to 100k pots as long as you are using all the same value.

btw, the newer xbox360 drivers from microsoft work very well too; latency nil, the driver has a configuration control panel that's way versatel, buttons are reassignable, Fergo's Joystick loves it. I've been messing with Ableton with these. Only 2 stacked so far with great results. I believe the remark about handling up to 4 is correct with the redcloud driver. It might be more with the microsoft ones.

I'm having a bunch of fun with this, sounds like you guys are too. Woohoo!
Shay Wyche
20.05.2011		Post a photo of the gamepad opened. A lot depends on what type of pcb you have in there.

Then if you're serious about doing this, the first thing to do is de-solder the vibration motors, then the joysticks. You will not require the vibration motors. De-soldering the joysticks will help later on when you fit pots to the connections. There will be at least eight connections per joystick - 6 analogue and 2 (probably 4) for the joystick button. There will also be two solder joints which are used as fixing posts on the pcb. That's just for starters, but don't let it scare you.
Dacia Mccart
20.05.2011		Anyone tried to do a controller from ps2 pad. It looks quiet complicated on my pad.
Shay Wyche
20.05.2011
Originally Posted by Kurbitur
i was wondering, i got a ps2 gamepad that has one broken joystick which makes it impossible to use. Could i clip the ps2 connector off and convert into usb and use that as a brain?
Buy one of these instead. A PS2 gamepad to usb converter.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PLAYSTATION-PS...item2c5a8e3190
Dacia Mccart
19.05.2011		i was wondering, i got a ps2 gamepad that has one broken joystick which makes it impossible to use. Could i clip the ps2 connector off and convert into usb and use that as a brain?
Arcelia Siebeneck
19.05.2011		bump - a few ppl asking about xbox pads at the moment.
Gilma Marchini
07.01.2011
Originally Posted by ctrld
confession time: I clicked on this thread only because my dirty mind made a connection between "6 analogues and 14 digitals" and "2 girls 1 cup".
No matter what you post... It makes me happy.

Edit: me too
Arcelia Siebeneck
06.01.2011		unsure about latency - it's definitely something that would need to be considered whilst testing.

LED's could be powered directly from the USB power but I believe you're after a midi brain that allows you to control, via midi, when the LED's get activated, which is something that a USB gamepad (like the xbox pad) doesn't offer, unfortunately.
Annis Osbourn
06.01.2011
Originally Posted by MiL0
Windows would likely support up to 4 xbox controllers at the same time (haven't checked but it could be more). A usb hub wouldn't be necessary since each xbox gamepad has a built in 2 port usb hub so they could all be daisychained off each other inside the midi controller case.
I understand but will the chaining increase the latency of it all or is there no noticeable difference? And can you make a guess at how much LEDs i can power from the linked brains?

btw im getting really excited about this method. Im goin to buy 4 controllers this weekend and start testing. Awesome post!
Arcelia Siebeneck
06.01.2011
Originally Posted by Maxted
I'm not sure how you'd go about connecting them, but what i'd do would be to use a powered USB Hub inside the controller, with all the PCBs running through it, you could even use a hub with more inputs and have some spare.
Windows would likely support up to 4 xbox controllers at the same time (haven't checked but it could be more). A usb hub wouldn't be necessary since each xbox gamepad has a built in 2 port usb hub so they could all be daisychained off each other inside the midi controller case.
Melinda Shick
05.01.2011
Originally Posted by jessevdriel
Hey, I'm planning on making a custom controller myself, but i haven't decided about the brain yet. I believe that you don't have to buy a board but you can just rip one from something like an xbox controller.(this is an awesome post) The only thing is, I want a lot more knobs then 2 controllers offer. Is it possible to link 4 or even 5 or 6 to the first board? I'm really looking forward to start building mine.

thx in advance
DJ SpeakerFreaker
I'm not sure how you'd go about connecting them, but what i'd do would be to use a powered USB Hub inside the controller, with all the PCBs running through it, you could even use a hub with more inputs and have some spare.
Annis Osbourn
05.01.2011		Hey, I'm planning on making a custom controller myself, but i haven't decided about the brain yet. I believe that you don't have to buy a board but you can just rip one from something like an xbox controller.(this is an awesome post) The only thing is, I want a lot more knobs then 2 controllers offer. Is it possible to link 4 or even 5 or 6 to the first board? I'm really looking forward to start building mine.

thx in advance
DJ SpeakerFreaker
Wava Egizi
18.11.2010
Originally Posted by MiL0
anyone know what kind of potentiometers they use? I'm guessing 10k linear?
Don't know... Get a multimeter and find out!
Shay Wyche
18.11.2010
Originally Posted by MiL0
anyone know what kind of potentiometers they use? I'm guessing 10k linear?
That's what I used for the Leo Bodnar device, which is the same thing really - a game controller. I believe I read somewhere on here that the size of the pot isn't too important, but the fact that it is linear is. I seem to remember someone saying 10 -100k will work, but 10k is the standard.

I can't find any of the post to quote it though.
Arcelia Siebeneck
19.11.2010		good idea - I'll probably do the same once I've soldered everything else on to the circuit board... just need to do some tests with various potentiometers first...
Cara Leischner
18.11.2010		Just to say this inspired me to try this too.

Just mocked up a quick test using the supplied driver and one button hooked up to an arcade button and SUCCESS!

Although I would recommend not splicing the cable into the xbox cable. What I did was unsolder the original cable from the PCB and solder in a usb cable back in. Much neater.
Arcelia Siebeneck
17.11.2010		anyone know what kind of potentiometers they use? I'm guessing 10k linear?
Monet Yucel
15.11.2010
Originally Posted by Archies'bald
Does the controller have a good PCB for soldering on to or is it those little push pads that I hate so much? Good bargain though, even if you just end up using it to play Fifa 10.

The pads aren't too bad to solder to, just use a sharp blade to scrape off the carbon contact to reveal SHINY!!! copper track, the track must be shiny otherwise it still has crap on it, the way I did it was to scrape off the track just as it turns into the pad and then lay your wire ontop of the revealed track, that way you get a good solid contact area.
Graham Frazier
15.11.2010		I might have to try one of these.
Shay Wyche
15.11.2010		Thanks for the photos, interesting stuff.

15.11.2010		confession time: I clicked on this thread only because my dirty mind made a connection between "6 analogues and 14 digitals" and "2 girls 1 cup".
Arcelia Siebeneck
15.11.2010		the answer is yes and no, the solder pads are nicely spaced out for the analogue nubs but some of the digital pads might be trickier to solder... have a look:
Shay Wyche
15.11.2010		Does the controller have a good PCB for soldering on to or is it those little push pads that I hate so much? Good bargain though, even if you just end up using it to play Fifa 10.

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