VMS4, TSP2 and A4DJ?
VMS4, TSP2 and A4DJ? Posted on: 15.07.2011 by Ardis Babauta Hi good people of DJTT community
!Kinda new to controllers and would like a bit of advice. I have TSP2 (upgraded from TSP that was upgraded from Traktor LE that came with my Audio 4 DJ), 2x Numark Pro TT-2's and a Numark DXM01 usb mixer (custom fitted with an innofader). I've been looking at controllers and quite like the look of the American Audio VMS4 (as money won't stretch to an NI S4!) What I'd like to know is can I control 2x TTs with timecodes via my A4DJ and 2x virtual decks all through the VMS4? Thanks in advance, Richie Twinz | |
| Faustino Stringfellow 20.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by Richie_Twinz
Whilst i had the units, i was in close contact with one of the engineers in LA, he though it was something low level in the way the VMS4 signalled. It was to be fixed in the next FW ... but that was a year ago. I really hated the unit, it let me down too often , I needed to at least keep the audio running hence using the ADJ4/8, which allowed me to unplug the unit and get it running again. You don't get to see the level meters, but you can see them on screen .. Secondly. If you do have a problem, their customer service needs a little attention:eek: and the community .... At the end of the day, it's a cheap controller with off-centered dodgy jogwheels, terrible sound and some unreliable parts (many are breaking inside 1 year of use), HOWEVER .... it's built from the sides of battleships and it's a lot of fun for not a lot of money ... just don't rely on it for a money making gig .... it might let you down. |
| Ardis Babauta 18.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
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| Cindi Freiler 17.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
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| Cindi Freiler 17.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by Richie_Twinz
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| Margret Hooks 12.08.2011 | I have my vms4 fully working without any problem, I knew before I bought it I should get another card and forget the mouse and sensitive faders but exept that (wich I don't reallly care for the price it is) everything works well without any problem for at least 5 month, it is quite heavy to transport and this is for me the only REAL inconvenient you should take care as your setup is already a bit. BTW I agree completly with MrPopinjay and even thought I don't use cd's or vinyls plugged to it its looks like a good working setup. |
| Faustino Stringfellow 20.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by Richie_Twinz
Whilst i had the units, i was in close contact with one of the engineers in LA, he though it was something low level in the way the VMS4 signalled. It was to be fixed in the next FW ... but that was a year ago. I really hated the unit, it let me down too often , I needed to at least keep the audio running hence using the ADJ4/8, which allowed me to unplug the unit and get it running again. You don't get to see the level meters, but you can see them on screen .. Secondly. If you do have a problem, their customer service needs a little attention:eek: and the community .... At the end of the day, it's a cheap controller with off-centered dodgy jogwheels, terrible sound and some unreliable parts (many are breaking inside 1 year of use), HOWEVER .... it's built from the sides of battleships and it's a lot of fun for not a lot of money ... just don't rely on it for a money making gig .... it might let you down. |
| Annalisa Shogren 20.07.2011 | The S4 is getting an Innofader... http://innofader.com/products.php?id=11 Question answered! |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 20.07.2011 | What do you mean by set it up as external? You set it up as a normal midi controller, you don't use the sound card and you're using the internal mixer so you set that to internal. |
| Ardis Babauta 19.07.2011 | Yes, please elaborate JSM. A question springs to mind, would i have to set the VMS4 as external with TSP2? If anyone's interested here's a link to a few of my mixes and albums http://richietwinz.podomatic.com/ Bless |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 19.07.2011 | What do you mean by they had drawbacks? They shouldn't have any problems working together. In fact they are completely unrelated in terms of function. Now if you had issues with the design or build of the VMS4 I would understand. Care to expand upon your statement and explain what exactly you mean JSM? |
| Faustino Stringfellow 19.07.2011 | I've had two VMS4's both gave me nothing but trouble ... buy at your own risk. I was trying to do the same as you with the ADj4, it's possible but has many drawbacks. The best things on the market today are the Denon MC-6000 and the NI-S4, yes they cost more, but they work and you won't be screaming at tech support everyday. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 19.07.2011 | Well I never. Awesome about the fader! |
| Ardis Babauta 18.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
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| Kiyoko Wellisch 17.07.2011 | Yeah, it makes absolutely no sense and you should never willingly put yourself in that situation. |
| Stephnie Godbole 17.07.2011 | I never liked layered mixer controls, gets me lost in the middle of a mix when I need to cut the sound out of a deck, it's annoying as shit |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 17.07.2011 | Yes with the VCI. And no, the S4 does not have any layered mixer controls. It features a dedicated fader, EQs filter knob, etc for each channel. |
| Cindi Freiler 17.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
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| Kiyoko Wellisch 17.07.2011 | No no no no no. Layering mixer controls is bat shit retarded. |
| Cindi Freiler 17.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by Richie_Twinz
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| Kiyoko Wellisch 18.07.2011 | As cool as the denon is for timecode I'd recommend the S4 as if you're carrying something that heavy I wouldn't really wanna mess about with an audio interface. Still it works as a real mixer rather than a midi one like the S4 which is awesome |
| Stephnie Godbole 18.07.2011 | PopinJay always paying attetion and not being a sheep baahing the same shit as everyone else. another controller just like the vms4 is the denon dn-mc6000 which is alot better than the vms4 but a tad more pricey at $700-$800, but at that price you could buy the s4 and sell both the a4dj and your current tsp2 |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 17.07.2011 | Uh I doubt you could mod it with the innofader. Even if you could I still believe the fact it's midi would be limiting. You could always get an arcade button or something and map it to kill the volume and use it like a transform button like on old scratch mixers. Turntables connected to Audio 4 as per usual Vinyl decks and digital decks mixed internally using the software mixer One line out from the Audio 4 to the speakers serving as the master output Does that make sense to you? No need to use the lower quality sound card in the controller. |
| Ardis Babauta 17.07.2011 | MrPopinjay.......THANKYOU!!!!! A few further questions, you said I CAN run both timecodes and virtual decks together. Would I be correct in believeing decks C and D would be routed through my A4DJ and the 2 virtual decks through the internal soundcard? Also would fitting my Innofader into the VMS4 make that much of an improvement? |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 17.07.2011 | Fucks sake guys read what he's asking for. All these recommendations are ridiculous. He's after something with a 4 channel mixer style midi controller. Yes, the American Audio VMS4 will work fine for what you want to do as it is laid out like a 4 channel mixer and you can mix both timecode and normal decks internally with no problems at all. It's a bit wasteful since it contains a sound card you'll never use as you'll be using the Audio 4 for that but I can't believe of any 4 channel midi mixers that don't suck and don't have a soundcard in them. Few other things to note- midi isn't as good for scratching, certainly not comparable to your innofader setup. If you want to scratch I would stick with real mixers or something like the S4. Also have you considered getting an S4 and then selling on your traktor scratch pro 2 licence that comes with it since you will then have two? The certified upgrade costs about |
| Brady Mulle 16.07.2011 | For that money i'd recommend a Novation Twitch http://www.djranking s.com/2011/07/1...h-serato-itch/ |
| Ardis Babauta 16.07.2011 | OK so can you explain to me how this would be set up please. My budget is around |
| Cindi Freiler 15.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by Richie_Twinz
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| Brady Mulle 15.07.2011 | The vms4 is just a cheap rip-off of the traktor s4 with tons of bugs. Plus the traktor s4 can use the internal audio interface for DVS. |
| Ardis Babauta 15.07.2011 | Can I run 4 decks with any of them though? 2 timecodes and 2 virtual using the controller as the mixer? Richie Twinz |
| Cindi Freiler 15.07.2011 | I'd suggest the vestex Vci. Whichever model you believe fits you right. If that's off of your budget I suggest the Numark Mixtrack. Great Controller! |
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