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Standalone mixer controller?
Posted on: 21.03.2012 by Natalia Bucko
I cannot believe I can't find this... Does anyone know of ANY midi controller modelled after a mixer, that has a built in sound card?
I want to just get a Behringer CMD- MM1 when they come out, but it doesn't have a sound card, so I'd have to get an Audio-6....

Is there a SINGLE other mixer controller with outputs?
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
25.03.2012
Originally Posted by zestoi
yup... in fact any cheapo game controller should work ok as the brain with a linear fader soldered onto it.
Well I do have an innofader sitting round doing nothing... anyone know if you can buy the innobender seperately?
Yong Aptekar
24.03.2012
Originally Posted by oliosky
What bollocks. ...
I might be just a little biased, I mix 4 to the floor, and my crossfader isn't so good, so I only use the volume faders. Just to clear that up.
Chasidy Heckenbach
24.03.2012
Originally Posted by Majo
i really love my m-audio x-session pro, you can buy it dirt cheap if you get the torq mixlab pack
i'd often thought about picking up one of these if the price was right. no soundcard tho i guess? which the OP was asking for. i ended up getting a very cheap djtech djm101 for 20quid in the end. couldn't say no at that price.

Originally Posted by Majo
that can be a nice project
yup... in fact any cheapo game controller should work ok as the brain with a linear fader soldered onto it.
Elois Mcnaulty
24.03.2012
Originally Posted by synthet1c
I hope someone makes a stand alone minnofader box that you could place underneith the k2 like gizmo was proposing on scratchworx for some turntable tricknology with this little beast of a setup.
that can be a nice project
Elois Mcnaulty
24.03.2012		i really love my m-audio x-session pro, you can buy it dirt cheap if you get the torq mixlab pack

1051549091_dcbdd9592e.jpg

light but hard plastic construction, good usb m-audio driver, the volume faders are a little hard but the crossfader is smooth

the xone k2 is nice but no crossfader is fail, other mixer midi controllers can be faderfox ones, the behringer ddm mixer, and the new behringer controller

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/CMD-MM-1.aspx
Johnetta Olewine
22.03.2012
Originally Posted by dripstep
4 channels, you don't need a crossfader. All you need is the volume faders. If anyone is going to use a standalone crossfader, its a scratcher. And they have a mixer.

OT
The VMS4.1 fixed a lot of the bugs from the VMS4, but its heavy
What bollocks. If you mix anything other than 4 to the floor stuff you know that a crossfader is a great mixing tool to transition odd syncopation, atmospheric sections and combined with some effects it can add help add some wild manipulation of sound. Plus its essential for anyone who adds a few stabs when they are mixing all the way to next level alien communication scratching and shit.
Melinda Shick
22.03.2012
Originally Posted by synthet1c
I hope someone makes a stand alone minnofader box that you could place underneith the k2 like gizmo was proposing on scratchworx for some turntable tricknology with this little beast of a setup.
Don't quite get this..a stand alone midi fader to control the software crossfader?

Because surely theres no way you could have a crossfader between inputs using the k2 soundcard, like an actual audio fader.

So there would be a market for literally one really nice linear fader sending midi to clamp to the k2?
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
25.03.2012
Originally Posted by zestoi
yup... in fact any cheapo game controller should work ok as the brain with a linear fader soldered onto it.
Well I do have an innofader sitting round doing nothing... anyone know if you can buy the innobender seperately?
Yong Aptekar
24.03.2012
Originally Posted by oliosky
What bollocks. ...
I might be just a little biased, I mix 4 to the floor, and my crossfader isn't so good, so I only use the volume faders. Just to clear that up.
Chasidy Heckenbach
24.03.2012
Originally Posted by Majo
i really love my m-audio x-session pro, you can buy it dirt cheap if you get the torq mixlab pack
i'd often thought about picking up one of these if the price was right. no soundcard tho i guess? which the OP was asking for. i ended up getting a very cheap djtech djm101 for 20quid in the end. couldn't say no at that price.

Originally Posted by Majo
that can be a nice project
yup... in fact any cheapo game controller should work ok as the brain with a linear fader soldered onto it.
Elois Mcnaulty
24.03.2012
Originally Posted by synthet1c
I hope someone makes a stand alone minnofader box that you could place underneith the k2 like gizmo was proposing on scratchworx for some turntable tricknology with this little beast of a setup.
that can be a nice project
Elois Mcnaulty
24.03.2012		i really love my m-audio x-session pro, you can buy it dirt cheap if you get the torq mixlab pack

1051549091_dcbdd9592e.jpg

light but hard plastic construction, good usb m-audio driver, the volume faders are a little hard but the crossfader is smooth

the xone k2 is nice but no crossfader is fail, other mixer midi controllers can be faderfox ones, the behringer ddm mixer, and the new behringer controller

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/CMD-MM-1.aspx
Chasidy Heckenbach
23.03.2012		personally i need/want jogs as well as a crossfader, so that's two potential wars right there jogs have to come from extra controllers and i wouldn't want them in the K2 anyway but i would miss not having a cross fader... i find i don't use it a lot of the time, but there's times when it is really useful and the only alternative is munging two line faders at the same time to get the same effect. some kind of addon crossfader with some deck select buttons would be cool...
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
22.03.2012		no space... you would have to remove a few buttons to fit one, but my statement about noobs using the crossfader stands, 90% of the time cuepoint juggling sounds like a bad joke... Don't want to start a war, but that's my opinion on the matter...

On the other matter I would believe the standalone crossfader would have 4 in and 4 out analog line connections that you put between your output of the TT/cdj/soundcard and the mixer input and be a usb midi controller at the same time, I actually believe it would be a good idea when you are playing at a club that doesn't have a rane already setup... It's not really commercially viable unless your audio innovative as the crossfader is the most expensive part...
Johnetta Olewine
22.03.2012
Originally Posted by dripstep
4 channels, you don't need a crossfader. All you need is the volume faders. If anyone is going to use a standalone crossfader, its a scratcher. And they have a mixer.

OT
The VMS4.1 fixed a lot of the bugs from the VMS4, but its heavy
What bollocks. If you mix anything other than 4 to the floor stuff you know that a crossfader is a great mixing tool to transition odd syncopation, atmospheric sections and combined with some effects it can add help add some wild manipulation of sound. Plus its essential for anyone who adds a few stabs when they are mixing all the way to next level alien communication scratching and shit.
Natalia Bucko
22.03.2012		What is all the crossfader hate about? No way... crossfader is crucial to me and I'm not a scratcher. There are lots of instances where i need to change the master mix rapidly with only one hand. Cue point juggling, for one.

How possible do you believe it would be to mod a crossfader into the same midi device as the K2?
Yong Aptekar
22.03.2012		4 channels, you don't need a crossfader. All you need is the volume faders. If anyone is going to use a standalone crossfader, its a scratcher. And they have a mixer.

OT
The VMS4.1 fixed a lot of the bugs from the VMS4, but its heavy
Melinda Shick
22.03.2012
Originally Posted by synthet1c
I hope someone makes a stand alone minnofader box that you could place underneith the k2 like gizmo was proposing on scratchworx for some turntable tricknology with this little beast of a setup.
Don't quite get this..a stand alone midi fader to control the software crossfader?

Because surely theres no way you could have a crossfader between inputs using the k2 soundcard, like an actual audio fader.

So there would be a market for literally one really nice linear fader sending midi to clamp to the k2?
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
22.03.2012		I hope someone makes a stand alone minnofader box that you could place underneith the k2 like gizmo was proposing on scratchworx for some turntable tricknology with this little beast of a setup.
Leeanna Ayla
22.03.2012
Originally Posted by synthet1c
XONE:K2 if you want a micro setup, It has an inbuilt 4 out soundcard (master & headphones), no crossfader "but crossfaders are for scratch dj's and noobs imo", there is three layers, so you could use it for a two channel mixer with advanced transport, a four channel mixer with basic transport, and a sampler all in the one device, you could map it any other way but that's what I'm going to do with it.

That's what I was believeing after my post.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
22.03.2012		XONE:K2 if you want a micro setup, It has an inbuilt 4 out soundcard (master & headphones), no crossfader "but crossfaders are for scratch dj's and noobs imo", there is three layers, so you could use it for a two channel mixer with advanced transport, a four channel mixer with basic transport, and a sampler all in the one device, you could map it any other way but that's what I'm going to do with it.

Monroe Vandeslunt
22.03.2012		I'm not sure of the potential popularity of such a device... I mean what you appear to be asking for is

A midi controller with a built in sound card for... software mixing? with no transport controls or deck controls?

You are better off just buying a cheap midi controller with built in sound card. Vestax typhoon, mixtrack pro etc and just ignore the jog wheels.
Chandra Lean
21.03.2012		the vms4 is a full mixer, and 4 deck controller. and 8x8 interface and i happen to be selling mine in perfect condition for $350
Johnetta Olewine
21.03.2012		American audio make this 02530500.jpg
http://www.adjaudio.com/ProductDetai...ategory=Mixers
Natalia Bucko
21.03.2012		Thanks Deevey, that's pretty much all I was able to find too. Why doesn't this seem to exist? This seems crazy to me. There are $200 all in-in one controllers that have sound cards. All I want is that minus the deck controls.

I'm figuring out what my set up will be when the Kontrol F1 and Midifighter 3D come out. What I want is a F1 or MF3D (haven't decided yet) on either side of a mixer... but I believe it's stupid that I'd have to purchase and carry around a sound card as well. Has nobody ever found a need for this before?

Seriously, my best idea right now is buying a CMD- MM1 when it comes out, and modding an Audio 6 into the case, if it'll fit...
Rolanda Clodfelder
21.03.2012		You'll be outlaying a pretty penny for something like the MM with a sound card.

Korg Zero4
Denon X1600
Ecler Evo
Allen and Heath DB4/2
Pioneer DJM900

I would say the Xone DX if you manage to get a deal, 20ch sound card and A&H goodness, the price seems to have gotten high again though.

Cheapest of the bunch is probably the American Audio DV2 USB - 2 channel mixer with sound card and midi

Native Instruments S4, Vestax VCI-400 and Denon DNMC6000
If he's looking at the MM1 I'm guessing he's not really looking for a DJ controller more a mixer (or he could go with the CMD Studio 4a for $299)
Carey Leid
21.03.2012		^^yea, but I believe he's looking for something cheaper, because the one he was about to buy was like $150. The ones you mentioned are all at or around a grand.
Leeanna Ayla
21.03.2012		Native Instruments S4, Vestax VCI-400 and Denon DNMC6000. Do you want to do something specific that those dont do?

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