Virtual F1 --> Opening up the Remix Decks
Virtual F1 --> Opening up the Remix Decks Posted on: 24.05.2012 by Wilhelmina Notermann Hi guys,We were just brainstorming how to go about making the Remix Decks open to all controllers when we were cordially requested to post this in the modding part of the community , so here it goes. The proposition is to see if we can get some of you modding guru's to work together on a Virtual F1 driver that translates the MIDI outputs and inputs of controller X to a virtual replicant of the Kontrol F1 and let this driver communicate with Traktor. The idea: To create a driver that acts a a Virtual F1 (let's name it that way for now), that listens to MIDI signals from your controller, and maps these signals to the same HID messages that the Kontrol F1 sends and receives. Now that might sound too easy, and of course it is. If we look at it, there's communication in two ways, some of which might be quite straightforward, but some might prove difficult 1: controller --> Traktor: Controller sends message to Virtual F1 via MIDI Virtual F1 analyses the MIDI message and maps it to the relevant HID message Virtual F1 triggers the HID message Traktor get's the HID message and acts on it following the original Kontrol F1 mapping. 2: Traktor --> Controller Traktor outputs HID message (for instance, RGB LED variables) Virtual F1 interprets the HID message and breaks it down into MIDI Virtual F1 sends MIDI message to controller x Controller x outputs the MIDI messages (by triggering the LED) I'd say we need to try and break this into steps and see how far we get: first try to get MIDI messages translated into HID and see if can control some of the locked features. If that works we have a proof of concept and we try to map all of the F1's commands to Traktor. If we get that far we might have some idea of how to translate the more complex messages from Traktor to your controller, but for me that's a 'nice to have'. So how could we go about it? 1 find out exactly what messages the F1 sends out for each button, get a read-out of all of Kontrol F1's messages 2 write a driver that can send those messages to Traktor 3 create a mapping table in which we can link MIDI messages to the according HID messages Some remarks that were made in the original thread
"have you guys heard of midimasher? if zestoi gets the hid messages he should be able to make it work with his app as it uses both midi and HID, if he doesn't chime in send him a p.m."
"indeed. in midimasher a hid device is defined in similar manor to a midi device - just that you're defining hidpackets with offsets+bitmasks instead of midi messages of type cc/note/pc/pb etc
they all get converted to event names - pretty similar to how vdj does it. then piping these event names from a hid device to a midi device is as simple as from midi to midi etc. fyi hid support is going into mixxx 1.11 not that it helps in any way here."
"HID to midi converter might be usefull"
"someone reverse engineered the X1 I believe."
"You could also put it in the modding community
, where the modders could see it."
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Timothy Sallay 26.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Deksel
http://community .djranking s.com/showthr...ht=2.5+kbmouse |
Chasidy Heckenbach 25.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by tombruton69
for now i'm just spending the time i would have been coding midimasher for mixxx work. bit of a shame as the new mini language for midimasher was almost done - but seems i was just in time to get up to speed and at least help out a bit with 1.11 of mixxx. i'll hopefully be working on some traktor style modifier type functionality as well as midi stuff and general mapping enhancements for 1.12. with the new waveforms and recentish quantize + looping functionality it's really not bad will even have builtin key detection soon (for those that care about that kind of thing) |
Chasidy Heckenbach 25.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by tombruton69
Originally Posted by synthet1c
they all get converted to event names - pretty similar to how vdj does it. then piping these event names from a hid device to a midi device is as simple as from midi to midi etc. fyi hid support is going into mixxx 1.11 not that it helps in any way here
Originally Posted by faderswagger
reading from and writing to a hid device is simple once you've mapped out the hid packets and any pre-amble handshaking that the device needs. i don't have any NI controller so don't know much about their hid format(s). |
Marguerite Truka 24.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by StephanV
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Pansy Shiveley 24.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle
Would be a great point to start though! |
Earleen Alibozek 12.02.2013 | What about using TouchOSC and Osculator to convert messages to HID? This way is only necesary to know what HID messages osculator has to send to Traktor, isnt it?? |
Timothy Sallay 26.05.2012 | Working 64 slot Lemur F1 emulator is now ready for download.. full info in this post in the mappings section.. http://community .djranking s.com/showthr...722#post481722 0day+1.. sweet. joe |
Timothy Sallay 26.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Deksel
http://community .djranking s.com/showthr...ht=2.5+kbmouse |
Lizette Brader 26.05.2012 | I don't know if this would work, but instead of having specific drivers for each controller, why not have a midi learn function for the midi-hid conversion. It may require an interface but in the end might save time over mapping each different controller. |
Wilhelmina Notermann 25.05.2012 | In this thread another approach is mentioned: mimicking mouse movements in Lemur. Not perfect, but a creative workaround... http://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=49309 |
Nedra Fresneda 25.05.2012 | merged |
Chasidy Heckenbach 25.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by tombruton69
for now i'm just spending the time i would have been coding midimasher for mixxx work. bit of a shame as the new mini language for midimasher was almost done - but seems i was just in time to get up to speed and at least help out a bit with 1.11 of mixxx. i'll hopefully be working on some traktor style modifier type functionality as well as midi stuff and general mapping enhancements for 1.12. with the new waveforms and recentish quantize + looping functionality it's really not bad will even have builtin key detection soon (for those that care about that kind of thing) |
Marguerite Truka 25.05.2012 | its funny you should mention mixxx, id really love to help out on that project I just dont have enough time |
Chasidy Heckenbach 25.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by tombruton69
Originally Posted by synthet1c
they all get converted to event names - pretty similar to how vdj does it. then piping these event names from a hid device to a midi device is as simple as from midi to midi etc. fyi hid support is going into mixxx 1.11 not that it helps in any way here
Originally Posted by faderswagger
reading from and writing to a hid device is simple once you've mapped out the hid packets and any pre-amble handshaking that the device needs. i don't have any NI controller so don't know much about their hid format(s). |
Marshall Aby 24.05.2012 | Errr... I read it on here somewhere. Somewhere. |
Marguerite Truka 24.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by StephanV
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Pansy Shiveley 24.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle
Would be a great point to start though! |
Shay Wyche 24.05.2012 | You could also put it in the modding community , where the modders could see it. |
Marshall Aby 24.05.2012 | Having said that, someone reverse engineered the X1 I believe, so it should all be possible |
Pansy Shiveley 24.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
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Marshall Aby 24.05.2012 | HID isn't really a standard in the same way as MIDI is. The implementation is different and proprietary. |
Natalia Bucko 24.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by StephanV
this is going to be a fairly easy project. NI could have done it in a couple of hours if they weren't greedy and wanting to sell more F1's |
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 25.05.2012 | have you guys heard of midimasher? if zestoi gets the hid messages he should be able to make it work with his app as it uses both midi and HID, if he doesn't chime in send him a p.m. |
Marguerite Truka 24.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by StephanV
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Elsie Golis 24.05.2012 | I thought so too. will NI ever unlock it? |
Pansy Shiveley 24.05.2012 | First of all, MIDI is out of the question here. It's HID, which is going to make this a pain. Second, you're gonna need an F1 to find out what HID commands it uses, and then build a MIDI to HID translator (which afaik doesn't really exist yet) Hate to be that guy, but this might be a tougher nut to crack than you believe. You're going to need some very skilled and dedicated people to pull this off. |
Elsie Golis 24.05.2012 | I wonder if that's even possible |
Natalia Bucko 24.05.2012 | this^ |
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