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should the mix section make tracklistings mandatory? Posted on: 28.08.2011 by Margie Pavell should tracklistings in the mix section be encouraged?i believe so... my mixes are usually 1. white label 2. white label 3. white label 4. white label 5. CD-R bootleg etc... i see that alot of people guard their tracklistings like gold... we are a small community most of miles and timezones apart...shouldn't we be proppin each other up on great tunes? i know when i listen to photojojo's mixes i end up looking at the tracklist and jotting down some names... courtesy would be giving props for a good jam and telling him/her you lifted it... i am no hoarder... | |
| Latoria Kavulich 30.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by ksandvik
Originally Posted by NewManSoon
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| Celine Surico 30.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by duerr
* Don't have the track info of some reason or another * Don't know the custom * Something else But I believe laziness is no 1. Which usually means for me that they didn't put much work into the rest, either. |
| Rosenda Gossage 29.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by bumtsch
Because the specific tune is more important than the artist that made it, and if it's a remix then the original artist doesn't really matter at all. On topic: Tracklists should be expected if you upload a mix. Credit where it's due. I despise the "I'm not going to give my secret away" rubbish, though. You're playing other people's records. You're not more important than the music, and there is nothing to be gained for anyone except _you_ by keeping the tunes you play to yourself. This may be because I DJ in order to share my love of music, rather than because it's currently fashionable ... |
| Deeann Cheron 29.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by NewManSoon
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| Neville Blackinton 29.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by NewManSoon
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| Margie Pavell 29.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by NewManSoon
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| Matt Kane 28.08.2011 | that was an idea i also had back in 08 but somehow it never worked out. also i caught myself being a lazy ass for my last 2 mixes. so no mandatory but allowed of being requested do |
| Margie Pavell 28.08.2011 | should tracklistings in the mix section be encouraged? i believe so... my mixes are usually 1. white label 2. white label 3. white label 4. white label 5. CD-R bootleg etc... i see that alot of people guard their tracklistings like gold... we are a small community most of miles and timezones apart...shouldn't we be proppin each other up on great tunes? i know when i listen to photojojo's mixes i end up looking at the tracklist and jotting down some names... courtesy would be giving props for a good jam and telling him/her you lifted it... i am no hoarder... |
| Latoria Kavulich 30.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by ksandvik
Originally Posted by NewManSoon
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| Celine Surico 30.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by duerr
* Don't have the track info of some reason or another * Don't know the custom * Something else But I believe laziness is no 1. Which usually means for me that they didn't put much work into the rest, either. |
| Belen Wermes 29.08.2011 | i don't understand djs who don't post tracklists. like really, what is that? |
| Rosenda Gossage 29.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by bumtsch
Because the specific tune is more important than the artist that made it, and if it's a remix then the original artist doesn't really matter at all. On topic: Tracklists should be expected if you upload a mix. Credit where it's due. I despise the "I'm not going to give my secret away" rubbish, though. You're playing other people's records. You're not more important than the music, and there is nothing to be gained for anyone except _you_ by keeping the tunes you play to yourself. This may be because I DJ in order to share my love of music, rather than because it's currently fashionable ... |
| Deeann Cheron 29.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by NewManSoon
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| Neville Blackinton 29.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by NewManSoon
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| Celine Surico 29.08.2011 | Can't make anything mandatory but if I see a mix with no playlist included, in 9 of 10 cases I don't bother downloading or listening to it. |
| Margie Pavell 29.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by NewManSoon
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| Rocco Fiveash 29.08.2011 | If you are playing other peoples music, then those artists deserve credit. |
| Delila Vandommelen 29.08.2011 | As long as everybody is listing tracks the same way. Do it like on Mixcloud and on Discogs : Artist THEN Track name :P /end pet peeve More seriously : I more or less follow mnml ssgs, a blog on underground techno, and they often have mixes posted up there by more or less known producers and DJ, i.e. a fair few of the germans in the current "Recommend me some techno". Their philosophy is to post the mixes without a tracklist first, then release the list later, usually a week or so. However, they're all about pushing lesser known styles and ideas, and in that respect it makes sense to give the mix a chance without knowing what's in the box. They do get pushed out eventually so you can actually reach out and go get a copy of some of the tracks, but a number of these only see vinyl releases and may be more difficult to get your hands on. Here, posting a mix is about getting feedback on your track selection, programming, blending skills and what have you. In a way it shouldn't really matter what the tunes are. But let's be realistic, most people may not touch a mix if they have no idea what's in it. Users will ask for a tracklist pretty much for every mix that doesn't have one, either out of principle or because they actually liked it and want to grab one or more tunes from it. We've seen that genres mean different things to different people, so for instance someone's take on house could be very different from mine : if I see a track or two I know, I'll feel safer listening to a set. The reverse is also true (seeing some tracks I can't stand), but at least I'll know before downloading and stopping the mix after five minutes and not giving feedback. I can sort of understand not wanting to share one's personal gems (I've held back a little during some of the mix trains) but there is probably a lot of overlap here with everyone's who's playing $popular_style anyway. And I don't believe people typically jack an entire tracklist, let alone actually go and play everything from what they jacked. If it's a really rare tune, well, feel safe in the knowledge that 99% of people won't go through the hassle of locating that rare limited vinyl pressing on discogs or ebay. So, just recommend posting a tracklist, with a second choice being posting it when asked. |
| Margie Pavell 28.08.2011 | yes...can't really make them mandatory...which is why i changed my wording... i believe alot of people spend so much time digging that they dont want to give out tracks to the fools that are lazy... |
| Leeanna Ayla 28.08.2011 | I believe it would be wrong to make it mandatory. I could see encouraged or suggested though. Can you send me some examples of these other community s Awesomer? |
| Kenton Almeyda 28.08.2011 | If we created a simple but nice looking bbcode template for different kinds of posts which had fields to fill in info we might like people to post, then I bet people would use them. I am not a bbcode expert, but I've seen this work successfully for standardization etc. on other community based sites. |
| Matt Kane 28.08.2011 | that was an idea i also had back in 08 but somehow it never worked out. also i caught myself being a lazy ass for my last 2 mixes. so no mandatory but allowed of being requested do |
| Margie Pavell 28.08.2011 | maybe the word is "encouraged" not "mandatory"...dont want to make it militant... |
| Kenton Almeyda 28.08.2011 | I like tracklistings and they make it more likely that I will listen to the mix. But I'm sorta ok with telling people this as a personal opinion over and over and over again. Meta info regarding music seems to currently suck, so I'm not surprised that people don't understand why information helps people connect with them musically. Regarding "lifting" tracks, I heard this track on a mix that vTek posted here a while back. He lives in NYC, I live in SF, about 3k miles between us. I believe there's room for us to both play it in the mix.. http://www.discogs.com/mp3/Luca-C-Br...Morals/1777067 |
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