Logic vs Ableton
Logic vs Ableton Posted on: 15.02.2009 by Kaylene Nickles Hey guys,So i'm trying to get into a bit of production and can't decide whether to go with Ableton or Logic as my main DAW. Recently i've been messing around with a version of Ableton Live I got with my Novation soundcard and have been pretty impressed with it. Unfortunately, it is really limited due to it being a Lite version. I've also heard that when it comes to production, Logic is the way to go. Supposedly the sound quality is better and it offers more professional mixing and mastering features than Ableton. On the other hand, results seem to be achieved a lot quicker using Ableton and Logic is supposed to have a bitch of a learning curve. I'm not sure what one to choose and I wouldn't be able to afford both. Does anybody use either or both of these??? How do the 2 compare??? Any advice would be much appreciated. | |
| Ryan Morales 17.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by PIGLET
Ok, I'm interested in this, because beats warping mode in ableton is kidna shit, you get warp artifacts which sound like ass. Pitch has its obvious downsides (ie pitch changes if your changing the tempo by more then a bit), I've been using complex recently to get rit of the artifacts problem with beats mode... Opinions ? And fuck yes Albino owns. Its a wobble machine, raids hard for dubstep synth. DnB as well. I kinda like it over massive for some reason.... |
| robert chanda 16.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by JonChase
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| Kaylene Nickles 16.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by liam.h
You can never have too much RAM, mate |
| Kaylene Nickles 16.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by darrel855
Originally Posted by BentoSan
Originally Posted by Tekki
Yeah, Massive sounds great. It's one of the many things on my "to buy" list. Another quality soft synth I found out about recently is the Sylenth 1. Don't know if you guys have heard of it or use it? You can check it out here if you haven't. http://www.lennardigital.com/modules/home/ |
| Xavier Emanuels 16.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by Andrew Loay
I used to use fruity loops <3 that proggy, its only problem for me was that the entire effects section is run on a single thread so you can max out one of your cpus and start to get audio clipping if you go too hardcore Ableton has a multithreaded effects section which is a nice touch - but i prefer FL's interface for production. |
| Paul Davison 16.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by BentoSan
I'm learning to use Ableton because I can end up DJing and producing with it. It'll save some time from having to learn two new sets of software. But to answer your question, Ableton but only because I've never used Logic before. |
| Random X 17.02.2009 | @midian, haven't tried Albino for wobbles yet, must check it. @de_stilj, Ableton isn't cutting it as far as time stretching goes? |
| Claud Balkum 17.02.2009 | For time warping some friends told me that melodyne do a really decent job. But the thing with time warping is that if its too extreme its 100% sure that there will be artifact since the program deal with information that exist it can't create new. true albino is excellent for that kind of sound. (see rusko masterclass if you haven't, really fun stuff) |
| Ryan Morales 17.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by PIGLET
Ok, I'm interested in this, because beats warping mode in ableton is kidna shit, you get warp artifacts which sound like ass. Pitch has its obvious downsides (ie pitch changes if your changing the tempo by more then a bit), I've been using complex recently to get rit of the artifacts problem with beats mode... Opinions ? And fuck yes Albino owns. Its a wobble machine, raids hard for dubstep synth. DnB as well. I kinda like it over massive for some reason.... |
| Claud Balkum 17.02.2009 | I use logic because I believe it more easy to do things that sound really good and the built in effect are off the hook. I love the compressor and the eq. (I tried to produce in reason and live but logic is the only thing that work for me.) Finally the things to not neglict is to take basic music theory course!!! People tend to jump over this step when beggining producing, but it's the most important thing whatever the software you are using. (im currently taking piano course and it's help me SO MUCH) // You guys should look for rob papen albino too, it's really an awesome piece of soft synth. |
| robert chanda 16.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by JonChase
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| Gavin le Roux 16.02.2009 | Ive used Logic for years and got into Ableton about 2 years ago for DJing. However with the advent of Live 8 Im seriously considering a move over for my main production in Live 8. Logic is a classy piece of software - however other sequencers have now caught up - and Logic although good is seeming a bit long in the tooth IMO. Apple also witht heir 'no announcements/communication' policy is making all the LP8 users nervous....Although I believe they will drop some good news on LP9 as they did with LP8... Basically tho - Bento is right in that providing you dont use the complex warp modes in Ableton or dither/change sample-rate in Ableton - the audio quality should theoretically be as good as Logic. Live is generally regarded as a better compositional/jamming tool whereas people often tehn export to mix in Logic - due to its workflow. For dance music I believe Ableton is the way to go IMO. Its so creative and quick. Logic is a steeper learning curve and contains loads of mixing / production tools useful for mix professionals - but I suspect many dance/electronic music producers wont need a lot of its functionality. At the end of the day you cant go wrong with either... |
| Dj Daxsen 16.02.2009 | I have done some production in fruity loops. Actually my mate and I were fooling around with it as we were recovering on sunday. Hitting up more of a hip-hop beat but I've always been keen to try some dnb or breaks with it. I'm surprised no one has mentioned Reason yet, I thought it was a fair player on this stage? |
| Ryan Morales 16.02.2009 | My mate use Fruity Loops and hes mad decent. Its a good piece of software and really user friendly compared to Logic. Ableton is kinda weird as a DAW but perfectly usable and its only getting better! Plus its got a unique workflow that no other DAW can match. Not to mention you can use it live, which is really why I use it. Being able to put together some patterns and a few basslines but not really make a track, then get a few samples and a couple full tracks and you have a wicked unique live set on your hands, without changing anything. Bring on ableton 8! Fuck yeah! |
| Kaylene Nickles 16.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by liam.h
You can never have too much RAM, mate |
| Random X 16.02.2009 | Hey Liam, that just depends if your using a 32 bits OS or not. |
| Kaylene Nickles 16.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by darrel855
Originally Posted by BentoSan
Originally Posted by Tekki
Yeah, Massive sounds great. It's one of the many things on my "to buy" list. Another quality soft synth I found out about recently is the Sylenth 1. Don't know if you guys have heard of it or use it? You can check it out here if you haven't. http://www.lennardigital.com/modules/home/ |
| Franke NU_Energy_Events 16.02.2009 | I've been learning Logic Pro at college, and it is huge. Our tutor has been using it from the day it was released and he admits he hasn't even used every aspect of it yet. That said, I have used Cubase before, and would reccomend logic over cubase any day. If you are looking at pc software - give Cakewalk Sonar a try BTW do pc's need 4gb of RAM, I didn't even believe windows could use that amount yet? |
| Kaylene Nickles 16.02.2009 | Thanks a lot for all the replies guys, You've pretty much sold me on Ableton. I was believeing about buying an iMac and Logic but now I believe I'll buy a new PC laptop instead and upgrade to the full version of Live. I've spotted a cracking wee laptop with a 2.6 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo processor and 4GB of ram for a bargain price. Should take care of all my Traktor and Ableton needs for the foreseeable future...... Roll on payday.... |
| Paul Davison 16.02.2009 | I never had a chance to learn FL Studios. I only had EEE PCs back then and they didn't work too well with it. Then I switched to mac and just started learning with ableton. Oh another reason why Ableton may be better, the APC 40. I got mine on pre order =D |
| Xavier Emanuels 16.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by Andrew Loay
I used to use fruity loops <3 that proggy, its only problem for me was that the entire effects section is run on a single thread so you can max out one of your cpus and start to get audio clipping if you go too hardcore Ableton has a multithreaded effects section which is a nice touch - but i prefer FL's interface for production. |
| Paul Davison 16.02.2009 |
Originally Posted by BentoSan
I'm learning to use Ableton because I can end up DJing and producing with it. It'll save some time from having to learn two new sets of software. But to answer your question, Ableton but only because I've never used Logic before. |
| Random X 16.02.2009 | Concur! Mann... was recording mad Massive automations by using the trusty BCR Friday, w000000t! |
| Xavier Emanuels 16.02.2009 | Yup Logic can use Massive im pretty sure - still doesnt change the fact that Massive is massive though hehe |
| Random X 16.02.2009 | Yeah, did some "massive" damage while hitting up bassfrequencies in Massive. But.. Logic can also use Massive right? |
| Xavier Emanuels 16.02.2009 | <3 Massive *drooling* |
| Anushka jayamaha 16.02.2009 | Why not use both I have been and am super happy . Then again if you're startin out just figure out Ableton and you'll be straight . Try pickin up Massive and or FM8 and you'll be set with a killer set up . |
| Random X 16.02.2009 | By the way, I was talking with the dutch distributor about Ableton 8. Cool stuff is going to happen, will tell you guys more as it develops. |
| Xavier Emanuels 16.02.2009 | If you ask me all the DAW's are basicly all the same thing wrapped up with different workflows, for the most part they are all capable of achieving the same sounds. Find one that you like the work flow of and dont worry about the whole "sound quality" thing because thats just a load of crap, all the DAW's sound quality is all pretty much the same. Id suggest Ableton because at the same time your learning to produce you will be learning an enviroment you can use on the stage too - killing 2 birds with one stone is quite nice Down the track you could give logic a go, its a mac only product so i havent tried it personally. |
| Lawana Mileto 15.02.2009 | i believe it really depends on what type of music you produce, whether you want to record audio, work with midi etc... i use reason, simply because i dont record audio, and the instruments in reason suit the kind of music i produce, i've had experience with logic, and well i prefered reason. at the end of the day id go for the software that most suits what you want it for. easy... |
| Belen Wermes 15.02.2009 | haven't tried logic. and i can't stand ableton for producing. i use orionplatinum . it's great http://www.synapse-audio.com/ |
| Roberto Viccione 15.02.2009 | Honestly, I believe that Logic Express would be enough, unless you plan on doing film scoring or anything really advanced, Logic Pro might be a bit much for starting. But that's just from what I've been told. Ableton Live seems like a great choice to start. The learning curve can be steep, but it is with almost everything. |
| Random X 15.02.2009 | Logic is really great, but from what I have heared, it has a very steep learning curve. Ableton Live might be the tool to start out with from these two. You'd be amazed how far you can get with Ableton. I know I sound biased, but for me Ableton perfectly fits my way of production workflow. |
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