DAW Snobbery
DAW Snobbery Posted on: 27.09.2009 by Xavier Emanuels Rather than highjacking another thread here i thought i would start a new one where we can discuss DAW snobbery.
Originally Posted by Lambox
I use FL studio and <3 it, especially since FL9 hit and the way the CPU is utilized is much better - i got a massive performance increase making the change over which has really helped my creativity, theres nothing worse than running out of CPU power in two seconds flat. Every DAW has its strong and weak points, its a matter of finding which points you cant live without - like i hate producing in Ableton because of the automation system totally sucks (when compared to FL studio anyway), but love using it live because because i don't need crazy amounts of automation as much. Its all different strokes for different folks ! | |
| Xavier Emanuels 23.10.2009 |
Originally Posted by JesterNZDJ
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| Gregory Finely 23.10.2009 |
Originally Posted by BentoSan
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| Xavier Emanuels 23.10.2009 |
Originally Posted by Ciar2001
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| Ashirumatic DJ 22.10.2009 |
Originally Posted by Ciar2001
http://www.warbeats.com has a load of videos tutorials on that software suite. I also believe (IMO) despite the hate on FL during previous years. It is one of the most powerful and easier to use DAW's out there. I've been using it since version 2. I also bounce from Logic, Live, Acid and Cubase. I start everything in FL. |
| Efrain Scharr 17.10.2009 |
Originally Posted by BentoSan
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| Xavier Emanuels 27.09.2009 | Rather than highjacking another thread here i thought i would start a new one where we can discuss DAW snobbery.
Originally Posted by Lambox
I use FL studio and <3 it, especially since FL9 hit and the way the CPU is utilized is much better - i got a massive performance increase making the change over which has really helped my creativity, theres nothing worse than running out of CPU power in two seconds flat. Every DAW has its strong and weak points, its a matter of finding which points you cant live without - like i hate producing in Ableton because of the automation system totally sucks (when compared to FL studio anyway), but love using it live because because i don't need crazy amounts of automation as much. Its all different strokes for different folks ! |
| Classie Alvizo 23.10.2009 | hey yep totally agree, just like the discussion on digital vs CD vs vinyl, it shouldn't matter what technology you use just the end product and whether its any good or not Every program has its good and bad points; I've grown up on Pro Tools because most of my work and experience is with bands and music production of that type of music, and its perfect for that kind of thing but doesn't have anywhere near the same ease of use for electronic music production and loops, although the MIDI improvements and the elsatic time and pitch features in the new version 8 have vastly improved it here. But still things like Reason and FrootyLoops are much better IMO for that type of music and for midi integration with samplers etc, and Cubase sits somewhere in between being relitivly good with both. But yeah whatever works for you, as long and you end up with a banging track at the end of it then more power to you Lol and since we have a lot of Native Instruments fans here i can heartily recommend their drum sampler plugin Battery for electronic and sampled drum sounds. k |
| Xavier Emanuels 23.10.2009 |
Originally Posted by JesterNZDJ
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| Gregory Finely 23.10.2009 | Will have to work out what does what then, at the moment I can put together a basic 4x4 but it really sounds techno like, probably as I have the highhats and snares in the wrong places |
| Latoria Kavulich 23.10.2009 | The demo has everything in it i thought. just cant reload your track once you quit out. |
| Gregory Finely 23.10.2009 |
Originally Posted by BentoSan
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| Xavier Emanuels 23.10.2009 |
Originally Posted by Ciar2001
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| Gregory Finely 23.10.2009 | Had a play around on the FL demo again last evening , it's interesting definately just wondering how much more you get with the proper version, I want to use it for making Deep House more than anything, would i need a keyboard and the likes starting off? or can I get away without using them. |
| Irene Larner 23.10.2009 | I started with Fasttracker on the commodore amiga In the PC years I continued with cubase VST 3/4/5, and back then, there simply wasn't anything that could match that. Sure, there was Fruity Loops, but the early versions were simply bad. Now that FL, Reason and the like have become much better, I am still using more traditional DAW software because i'm used to it. I just don't like the pattern based approach anymore for some reason, but if it fits your bill, use it and make some sick tunes, nothing wrong with that. And by the way, I'm now using logic express. Couldn't care less about paying for the extra gizmos that the studio version offers and I don't need, they're just too distracting. Simplicity helps you concentrate on the actual music and creativity more. And that's probably why FL and Reason work so well for a lot of people. Less cryptic menus, more fun. Not my cup of tea, but still very reasonable. |
| Ashirumatic DJ 22.10.2009 |
Originally Posted by Ciar2001
http://www.warbeats.com has a load of videos tutorials on that software suite. I also believe (IMO) despite the hate on FL during previous years. It is one of the most powerful and easier to use DAW's out there. I've been using it since version 2. I also bounce from Logic, Live, Acid and Cubase. I start everything in FL. |
| Gregory Finely 22.10.2009 | I have a question which is along a similar line, I have no intention of building a studio or doing an engineers course, but if you were to reccomend a software which a complete begginer could use and build tracks with, and potentially learn along the way which would it be? I have the demo of FL9 on my PC at the moment and it's interesting i can put together basic beats but not much else... |
| Efrain Scharr 17.10.2009 |
Originally Posted by BentoSan
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| Luann Scatterday 27.09.2009 | I can vouch for fruity I have a couple of releases on different labels with tracks done from scratch in FL, started using it around 2001 or 02 not sure. I Have been using Cubase since it's 1.03 version. But thru the years I've made myself learn a bit of everything so every now and then I commit myself to do a few tracks on the same daw from beginning to end... I can get along with Logic, Cubase, Nuendo, FL, Live, Reason and Orion ( haven't used it in a long time). Since I moved from the PC platform I lost touch with Acid/ Cakewalk whihc I've hear has developed into a really powerful Sonar ... Also unfortunately I refuse to have anything above XP and I will not buy or use a cracked copy so I sadly miss my fruity ... I believe they could really grow they're market if it was ported to MAC OS.. My theory to this is horse for courses, you can use which ever tool you prefer but there are daw which make your life easier for certain tasks ... example : If I'm remixing and using lots of samples/ Loops I prefer Live. If I was to record or use lots of sample snippets which needed intensive editing I would use either Logic or Cubase, etc... Personaly I hate having to mix on Live I believe you really should take your pick and stick with your choice until you miss something crucial ... A trend I've seen is that when ever somethin' new shows up it's always simpler and more intuitive than all the others, ...4 years after... is just as complex as all the others... In broad terms all DAWs are becoming slightly simpler to use, but some much more feat.s packed and so indepth that it's difficult to make the learning curve any faster. Also the amount of people approaching a daw with the faintest of an idea of what is a daw/ dynamics/ eq/ etc... is much bigger now so for developers it's like trying to build a space craft and having be able to be understood by chimps lol :P Personal Rant : I hate the One window concept ... make as many info as possible available on one window but not to much.. I can do with a couple of editor windows... on some daws doing something means lots of mouse movements and a lot of zooming in and out ... |
| Ashirumatic DJ 27.09.2009 | I have noticed when editing ID3 tags that many artists use Fl as well. Like AC Slater, Rudder, Dope Tito etc.... I myself have been using it for approx 10 years and love it. Although I am not one to knock on software package compared to another since I am also using (learning) Logic and the Mac platform. It really is not what you use though but how you use it! |
| Harold Jaras 28.09.2009 | Spor uses FL!? that's fckn sick. he seriously does crank out some skull crushing stuff. people these days, not just with DAWs, but with everything - all they see is the price tag. if it doesn't cost, it's cheap, it sucks, POS, etc. if it's hella expensive, people say "oOoOo.. dude that shit is SOO good" you put a huge price tag on FL, people wil revere it more i promise you. not saying that is the remedy, it's just a sad part of society. but hell, for the FL masterminds this is awesome! |
| Glynis Mangona 27.09.2009 | right on. im a reason user, which a lot of people hate on. they annoying part is, and i believe this may be true for FL and reason, is that people are making judgements based on much earlier versions. the improvements that have been made in reason are pretty vast. |
| Belen Wermes 27.09.2009 | word. for the new guys, one thing to keep in mind is that some of the greatest modern recordings in the history of music we're created in analogue studios back in the 60s-70s that don't come anywhere near close to the power potential of modest softwares like Fruityloops, Orion and Reason. Having powerful engineering tools is only a small fraction of what it takes to be a great producer, what's more important is the musicianship imo. I find that quality songwriting is rare in todays music as the standards have plummeted significantly over the last 20 years. Too many new producers believe the answer is getting tons of expensive gear, plugins, daw software etc. etc. and don't realize that all the gear in the world will never be enough if you couldn't create a decent song with cheap software and a budget computer. it's been said a million times. it's not about the tools you use but how you use them. |
| Random X 27.09.2009 | You hate I love, just to add +1 to the story. Try loadsa demos, and see what fits your creative workflow best.That's how I ended up with Ableton. (To believe when I first saw screenshots of Ableton, I could not believe that this, not spectacular looking, interface would/could be part of such a great DAW.) |
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