Getting it to wobble right (LFO)

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Getting it to wobble right (LFO)
Posted on: 03.03.2010 by Sharleen Binckley
So if you want shit to wobble you use an LFO, only thing is I can't seem to get it to wobble right.
A wobble is kinda like the word "wow" (imagine the word wow being a crochet length note). If you want a constant flow of wobbles it will go "wowowowowowow". Get me?
Now, the problem I'm having is making the first note start with the first 'W' in the word 'wow', if that makes sense. So basically if I repeatedly stab a note in order to get lots of single 'wow's' in succession instead of a long constant note that is wobbling, so; 'wow (pause) wow (pause) wow' etc, it will start making the sound with no regard for where the LFO position is. So instead of it going 'wow' every time, it will sometime go 'owow'.
If you imagine the LFO as peaks and troughs, the 'W' of 'wow' being the trough and the 'O' being the peak, how do you make it so that every time you hit a key it will always start at the trough and not just randomly where ever the LFO happens to be on it's cycle.

Hope all that makes sense.

BTW. I'm working in Logic using the ES2, but the principal is always the same.
Jolyn Brunello
03.03.2010
Originally Posted by dodge
Pitch shifting? How is this going to help? I want it so that when I push a key, no matter how fast or slow it will always start with the upwards stroke of the LFO. So from closed to open, like every time, no matter how fast I tap the key.
i thought you meant when you were changing notes not pushing the same key.no re-trigger then?
Ashirumatic DJ
03.03.2010
Originally Posted by end1
coudn't you just automate the amount of the LFO speed? oyou could getsuper fast wobs or super drawn out wobs? i just automate it in FLS.
That is a great way to change the wobble speed, ADSR setting etc... overtime.
Elwanda Ganzalez
03.03.2010
Originally Posted by jasonj
Despite the fact you are using ES2, these Massive Tutorials can help out alot. All the concepts are the same and can be applied to most other synths.
http://www.youtube.com/thesoundtutor...773926FA49A855
these vid's are awesome ...bookmarked!
Sharleen Binckley
03.03.2010
Originally Posted by Jack Bastard
You need an LFO with a setting to re-trigger it on every note press.

How you would do this would depend on what you are using.
Ok, I see what you're saying. I'm using the ES2 in Logic. I'll have a little play, see what I can find.
If anyone else knows that'd be sound.
Cheers
Sharleen Binckley
03.03.2010
Originally Posted by calvin01
i believe it is a constant note and the lfo gives it the wow factor

to moves notes up and down try pitchshifting(not samples though).in theory if done at the right time i would guess this would work.
Pitch shifting? How is this going to help? I want it so that when I push a key, no matter how fast or slow it will always start with the upwards stroke of the LFO. So from closed to open, like every time, no matter how fast I tap the key.
Sharleen Binckley
03.03.2010		So if you want shit to wobble you use an LFO, only thing is I can't seem to get it to wobble right.
A wobble is kinda like the word "wow" (imagine the word wow being a crochet length note). If you want a constant flow of wobbles it will go "wowowowowowow". Get me?
Now, the problem I'm having is making the first note start with the first 'W' in the word 'wow', if that makes sense. So basically if I repeatedly stab a note in order to get lots of single 'wow's' in succession instead of a long constant note that is wobbling, so; 'wow (pause) wow (pause) wow' etc, it will start making the sound with no regard for where the LFO position is. So instead of it going 'wow' every time, it will sometime go 'owow'.
If you imagine the LFO as peaks and troughs, the 'W' of 'wow' being the trough and the 'O' being the peak, how do you make it so that every time you hit a key it will always start at the trough and not just randomly where ever the LFO happens to be on it's cycle.

Hope all that makes sense.

BTW. I'm working in Logic using the ES2, but the principal is always the same.
Sharleen Binckley
05.03.2010		Thanks for the responses. Ok, been playing around with the ES2. Found out that LFO2 is phase locked, as in it will always be in time with the beat but cant put the retrigger (key locked is what Logic call it) on there. LFO1 is key locked so it will do what I have been asking but it cant be phase locked. I'm looking for both on 1 LFO, anyone know how to do this?
Also back to the retrigger thing. Anyone know how to adjust the beginning point of the LFO? So I can change whether it starts on the upward stroke, downward stroke etc.

Cheers
Giselle Kawalec
04.03.2010		retrigger is what your looking for dodge
Jolyn Brunello
03.03.2010
Originally Posted by dodge
Pitch shifting? How is this going to help? I want it so that when I push a key, no matter how fast or slow it will always start with the upwards stroke of the LFO. So from closed to open, like every time, no matter how fast I tap the key.
i thought you meant when you were changing notes not pushing the same key.no re-trigger then?
Ashirumatic DJ
03.03.2010
Originally Posted by end1
coudn't you just automate the amount of the LFO speed? oyou could getsuper fast wobs or super drawn out wobs? i just automate it in FLS.
That is a great way to change the wobble speed, ADSR setting etc... overtime.
Nancey Teck
03.03.2010		coudn't you just automate the amount of the LFO speed? oyou could getsuper fast wobs or super drawn out wobs? i just automate it in FLS.
Elwanda Ganzalez
03.03.2010
Originally Posted by jasonj
Despite the fact you are using ES2, these Massive Tutorials can help out alot. All the concepts are the same and can be applied to most other synths.
http://www.youtube.com/thesoundtutor...773926FA49A855
these vid's are awesome ...bookmarked!
Ashirumatic DJ
04.03.2010		You can get your 'wow'(pause)'wow'(pause) by using separate single notes for when you want to trigger the wobble and setting your ADSR settings to taste.

Try starting with a 50% setting on your Attack (A), 0% Delay (D), 0% Sustain (S), 0% Release (R) for your AMP envelope and similar setting on your Filter Envelope.

You should get a Woob sounds. From here you can add some LFO (Turn Retrigger on so it starts the same way each time) and adjust you ADSR setting to taste.

Don't forget to set your Filter Cutoff to taste as well. Adding a little Resonance can sometimes really bring out your Bass.

Despite the fact you are using ES2, these Massive Tutorials can help out alot. All the concepts are the same and can be applied to most other synths.
http://www.youtube.com/thesoundtutor...773926FA49A855
Verona Fashbaugh
04.03.2010		I don't know anything about Logic, but in FL there's a setting about making the LFO 'Global.' If I check that box, the LFO continues to cycle regardless of whether there is a note playing or not. If I uncheck it, the LFO starts over every time the note is triggered.
Stephan Roob
03.03.2010		make sure ur lfo is set to sync to tempo?
Sharleen Binckley
03.03.2010
Originally Posted by Jack Bastard
You need an LFO with a setting to re-trigger it on every note press.

How you would do this would depend on what you are using.
Ok, I see what you're saying. I'm using the ES2 in Logic. I'll have a little play, see what I can find.
If anyone else knows that'd be sound.
Cheers

03.03.2010		You need an LFO with a setting to re-trigger it on every note press.

How you would do this would depend on what you are using.
Sharleen Binckley
03.03.2010
Originally Posted by calvin01
i believe it is a constant note and the lfo gives it the wow factor

to moves notes up and down try pitchshifting(not samples though).in theory if done at the right time i would guess this would work.
Pitch shifting? How is this going to help? I want it so that when I push a key, no matter how fast or slow it will always start with the upwards stroke of the LFO. So from closed to open, like every time, no matter how fast I tap the key.
Jolyn Brunello
03.03.2010		i believe it is a constant note and the lfo gives it the wow factor

to moves notes up and down try pitchshifting(not samples though).in theory if done at the right time i would guess this would work.

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