Midi Keyboards

Midi Keyboards
Posted on: 16.02.2010 by Gregory Finely
Right, I know this has been up here in the past as I used the search function, but I was to ask the wonderful people on DJTT what you would buy.

I currently use the Novation Launchpad with Ableton to put stuff together for production purposes, but have realised it's much better for playing out with aka as a controller, on top of that I need to be able to play chords and the likes, so was believeing of actually getting a midi keyboard instead which has pads and rotaries and of course keys.

so my question is, as a starter would you buy a 25 key or 49 key?

question 2 is out of the following models what would you say is my best bet, I can afford upto
Sophie Kotoff
02.04.2010
Originally Posted by Tobert
If you are a beginner and don't know how to play the piano you won't need more than 25 keys.
Especially in EDM, the melodies and basslines you play won't go over more than 2 octaves, so 25 keys is just right. Whole different story if you are going to compose classical movies or soundtracks...
Have to whole heartedly disagree with this I'm afraid.. go 49 or you'll constantly be changing the octave range for each new patch and channel you're on and you wont stumble across that pot of gold lead by accidentally playing that bass sound high up the keyboard Besides altho a part may not go over 2 octaves it depends where it starts from... not much goes fom C-C it will ALWAYS just be over the split where you want to play in the real world of Murphy! Most importantly... you won't progress your keyboard skill if you're restricted.
Amada Brierley
16.02.2010
yeah novations have a good rep i'm sure they'd be fine, unless you have an aversion to their automap software.

If you like using two hands for chords, or reasonably complex melodies, go for 49.

Just throwing this out there, i bought the oxygen 49 for
Gregory Finely
16.02.2010
Right, I know this has been up here in the past as I used the search function, but I was to ask the wonderful people on DJTT what you would buy.

I currently use the Novation Launchpad with Ableton to put stuff together for production purposes, but have realised it's much better for playing out with aka as a controller, on top of that I need to be able to play chords and the likes, so was believeing of actually getting a midi keyboard instead which has pads and rotaries and of course keys.

so my question is, as a starter would you buy a 25 key or 49 key?

question 2 is out of the following models what would you say is my best bet, I can afford upto
Raymundo Rygalski
28.04.2010
Here is a good question, what DAW do you plan on using? The Axiom 49 automatically maps with Ableton Live and saves you a lot of setup time when trying to figure out how to integrate it into your workflow. The Axiom 49 PRO maps to every other DAW (ProTools, Reason, Logic) and has hypertouch which is a great feature for playing. I have played the Akai and Novation and they have a nice feeling but the Axiom Pro has the best playability from a keyboard play perspective. I own an Axiom 49 with an AKAI APC40 and Ableton Live.
Matthew Urtel
04.04.2010
Akai MPK49, with an APC40, and a MPD32. thats the ish right there.
Sophie Kotoff
04.04.2010
actually... I REALLY want the floor keyboard from the toy store in BIG that Hanks plays on!! or this would do I guess... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lXh2n0aPyw <--- forgets Novation A and K stations and buys a subway station
Ashirumatic DJ
04.04.2010
I personally bought a Behringer UMX25 which is the predecessor to their UMX250. Only differences are the rubber buttons and keys.

Although my style of production is overdubbing and as stated before if you are going to play traditionally you will need more keys as it will be frustrating hitting your octave shift buttons all the time.
Corine Kasman
04.04.2010
After having recently gone to 49 keys, I would say that it is the strict minimum. If you want to really play anything that moves around a bit, you will need 5 octaves (61 keys). For understanding cords and getting a feel of progressions, 49 is good, but I would consider a 61 as a next tool. But if going to 61, I would not get any bells and whistles, just a good midi weighted keyboard.

Phil.
ma7md hany
04.04.2010
I guess you have a point. Might especially get tricky when playing chords
Would also advice at least 37 keys after believeing about it.
Sophie Kotoff
02.04.2010
Originally Posted by Tobert
If you are a beginner and don't know how to play the piano you won't need more than 25 keys.
Especially in EDM, the melodies and basslines you play won't go over more than 2 octaves, so 25 keys is just right. Whole different story if you are going to compose classical movies or soundtracks...
Have to whole heartedly disagree with this I'm afraid.. go 49 or you'll constantly be changing the octave range for each new patch and channel you're on and you wont stumble across that pot of gold lead by accidentally playing that bass sound high up the keyboard Besides altho a part may not go over 2 octaves it depends where it starts from... not much goes fom C-C it will ALWAYS just be over the split where you want to play in the real world of Murphy! Most importantly... you won't progress your keyboard skill if you're restricted.
ma7md hany
28.02.2010
If you are a beginner and don't know how to play the piano you won't need more than 25 keys.
Especially in EDM, the melodies and basslines you play won't go over more than 2 octaves, so 25 keys is just right. Whole different story if you are going to compose classical movies or soundtracks...
Wai Rofkahr
28.02.2010
This would fit your needs I believe:

http://www.akaipro.com/mpk25

Akai makes superior products and controllers IMO!

Only thing I don't like about this is the rectangular pads, I like the square ones, but that's just me
Armando Chrystal
18.02.2010
the akai is more money but it has everything ( faders, knobs, pads, bend wheel ) but i believe trying it out would be the better thing to do like mentioned before
Gregory Finely
17.02.2010
Well I did a bit of searching, found a very nice community called KVR and a few posts up there all saying Novation over the Axion, so that decision has been sorted will have to check out in regards to the free software, but if it's true i shall be getting it lol, cheers for the heads up!
Ernie Stieglitz
17.02.2010
I believe Novation still has the offer that if you own two of their products, you get Automap Pro for free. Whole different thing whether it is of any use to you
Gregory Finely
17.02.2010
ok been checking out various keyboards, as I said not a pro at playing keyboards but I can hear a melody and put stuff together pretty easily.

so from this selection what would the more educated people choose?

M Audio Axiom 49
Novation SL Compact 49
Akai MPK 49
Gregory Finely
16.02.2010
Yes i believe the shop is a good option, only problem with that is finding one I can actually get to and park, not an easy task but will try

oxygen 49 looks like a good starter keyboard, which is all I am after to be honest.
Amada Brierley
16.02.2010
yeah novations have a good rep i'm sure they'd be fine, unless you have an aversion to their automap software.

If you like using two hands for chords, or reasonably complex melodies, go for 49.

Just throwing this out there, i bought the oxygen 49 for
Gregory Finely
16.02.2010
Hard to explain but I don't have proficiency on the keyboard, but can spot a bum chord

how about the novation keyboards they any good?
Amada Brierley
16.02.2010
I've heard axiom has problems with "clicky" or "sticky" keys. I've got the MPD32 which is built in the same way as the mpk49 and it's solid.

I used to have a 25 key oxygen 8, but if you have any proficiency as a keyboardist it's not enough. Go for 49!

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