finding out if a kick is a 808 or 909
finding out if a kick is a 808 or 909 Posted on: 10.05.2010 by Lamonica Rockholt heya!so i wanted to eq my new track to this map here: it sounds wonderful at the moment, very much air. : ) however, i don't know if my kick is a 808 or 909.. where is the difference? greets | |
| Paige Makela 12.05.2010 |
Originally Posted by DennisJ
That's at least how I roughly define them. |
| ally khalse 11.05.2010 |
Originally Posted by sine143
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| Lamonica Rockholt 10.05.2010 | heya! so i wanted to eq my new track to this map here: it sounds wonderful at the moment, very much air. : ) however, i don't know if my kick is a 808 or 909.. where is the difference? greets |
| Toni Hinga 19.05.2010 | Roll off your 808 at around 50 cutting below 40 and above 90 (unless you want some distortion on it then give it some up top too but go sparingly or you will mud your mix fast. Put some attack on it to make room for..... 909 rolled off at around 100 cutting below 90 ...these two layered will give you punch and boom |
| Harold Jaras 17.05.2010 | be careful with 808s..they either sit too low and don't hit, or will swallow your mix. you may screw up your first couple of mixes with it (actually, you *probably* will), but once you understand how 808s sit within a track, you'll know how to fit it in much easier. practice! |
| Many Atia 12.05.2010 | yeah that graph is a bit bogus. 808 kicks are really nothing but a dirty sine wave, don't expect much other than the fundamental down there so eq really isn't that useful. pay attention to the stuff at the bottom of that chart though, where it goes "weight warmth knock etc..." because that's pretty much spot on. generally speaking, highpass everything that isn't either bass or kick drum around 120-300 hz. also, slightly attenuating 300 hz in sounds that don't absolutely require it can help your mix keep a nice round bass sound going. you also need to figure out whether you want the kick to sit above, below, or with the bassline and how to balance that out. for example, in ke$ha - tik tok, the kick drum is low and takes up all the sub bass range (30/40-80), and the bassline of sorts just sits on top. In other tunes, for example a dnb tune, kick sits higher, around 120 hz (with the snare hitting around 200), and the bass takes over everything below that. In french house tunes or anything with a large kick and bassline, the bass is sidechained to the kick so they never play at the same time. for figuring out what a kick is tuned to, just use a spectrum utility and see where the peak is down there. |
| Marcel Ei Gio 12.05.2010 | dont let this be the hard and fast thing. its a guide. there are alot of times where you need to EQ something in order to slot its frequency properly. i just finished a remix with a friend and the kicker has a fairly small frequency slot, just enough to sort of punch through the bassline. use eq to shape the sound to the needed/wanted sound. |
| Jayne Yellowhair 12.05.2010 | Yeah i'd say kreativtit is right about pads. However, it doesn't actually have to be an instrument, it could also be a whale noise (heard this in refx nexus) as long as its got a large 'hold'. |
| Paige Makela 12.05.2010 |
Originally Posted by DennisJ
That's at least how I roughly define them. |
| Harold Jaras 11.05.2010 | really, use whatever EQ *sounds* right. sweep the EQ around until you find the most resonant freq. (which is the loudest), that's the band you want to be boosting. |
| ally khalse 11.05.2010 |
Originally Posted by sine143
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| Al Henger 10.05.2010 | Him, quick question to all you producer sorts out there. if you've got a synthesized kick sample , how do you find out what its tuned to? I know there is a lot of talk about tuning kick drums when you are throwing them together with a synth, but I dont know how to recognize the key of a sample (which I would use for convience sake during drafting). |
| Lamonica Rockholt 10.05.2010 | yeah i also believe its great! i don't know what pads are though.. =D will try it with the 909. : ) thanks! |
| Jayne Yellowhair 10.05.2010 | Well the 808 and 909 refer to the Roland drum machines called TR-808 and TR-909. You can check out the kicks here (808) and here (909) @ ~2:25 These drum machines are very popular and expensive and have been imitated and sampled countless times. Deciding if a kick is 808 or 909 ?? don't know I believe it's like saying if a random tree is an oak or a birch: it could be one of them, but also one of many others. |
| Paige Makela 10.05.2010 | I am using that very same diagram and usually prefer the "909" EQ. Those numbers refer to the 80's drum machines by Roland: TR-808 and TR-909. You might not use the exact samples from those machines so I would use the 909 as a reference to start out your EQ and then just adjust it till it sounds right for you. |
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