Pumping electro
Pumping electro Posted on: 17.09.2010 by Emilee Woytovich Feedback welcome!http://soundcloud.com/fellis/then-there-were-two-teaser | |
| Carli Halsall 22.09.2010 |
Originally Posted by fellis
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| Emilee Woytovich 22.09.2010 | Thankyou so much for that, I've never really known what to do with EQ'ing but that was probably the best intro I could have gotten. Just one question:
Originally Posted by Nephew
Cheers |
| Emilee Woytovich 20.09.2010 |
Originally Posted by Sanderbongertman
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| Emilee Woytovich 17.09.2010 | Feedback welcome! http://soundcloud.com/fellis/then-there-were-two-teaser |
| Emilee Woytovich 25.09.2010 | Well I had a big mess around and have come up with this. It's still not perfect but I believe it's far better than it was. Thanks for all the tips so far, has been a massive help! Any further ideas/suggestions? The first drop is the best, the others seem to lack a bit: http://soundcloud.com/fellis/then-there-were-two-work-in-progress I gave it a new big kick, worked on the snare, changed up that rhythm for the start part, added in some cool pitch bending in the main melody, put some variation in the main melody, added some more lead parts, added some compression for the master track...etc |
| Breana Singerman 24.09.2010 | Each kit just has it's own distinct sound, that's all. 808 is most well down for it's kick, while the 909 is really known for it's snare/claps And like I said before, do the best you can, and once you apply a little bit of mastering it will really help bring out the kick/low end. Just make sure you leave enough head room on the mixdown to allow yourself to work. OR, you can gate a sine wav at around 60hz lets say, and then have the kick be the key. Mess with the attack/release to flavour and you'll have a nice mean kick. |
| Emilee Woytovich 24.09.2010 | Sweet, I'll have a little look around. But firstly, if its not too complicated, whats the basic difference between 808, 909 #0# kits? ...and I'm using Ableton |
| Carli Halsall 24.09.2010 | There are some free 909 packs around the web. You can also layer kicks together and then apply some good EQing to get a good one. What DAW are you using? |
| Emilee Woytovich 24.09.2010 | where can I find some good strong kicks? I don't really have any decent samples and all my drum rack presets aren't really any good |
| Emilee Woytovich 23.09.2010 | alright i get that now, cheers! |
| Breana Singerman 22.09.2010 | But that's why you would boost it at 186hz now, the harmonics are still there from the 93hz so you can still retain some of that feeling, or you can scoop out 186hz on the kick now so the harmonics from 93hz still cut through a bit cleaner. And that's all you're really trying to do when EQing, just giving each track it's own space to breathe. Panning is another great way to do this as well, especially with pads and shakers. Hard pan them left and right and then offset one of them using the delay feature by 10-12 ms or whatever sounds good to you to give it a more stereo image |
| Carli Halsall 22.09.2010 |
Originally Posted by fellis
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| Emilee Woytovich 22.09.2010 | Thankyou so much for that, I've never really known what to do with EQ'ing but that was probably the best intro I could have gotten. Just one question:
Originally Posted by Nephew
Cheers |
| Breana Singerman 21.09.2010 | As far as the kick and low end, just some very simple mastering will make a world of difference. Just add a compressor, EQ (I prefer the EQ 8 myself) and then a basic mastering chain (Ableton 8 has one called "Neutral Mastering" that's easy to use and effective) on the master channel after you're finished mixing down the track and you kick and lows will sound that much better. Obviously this won't be as good as a professional job, but it will be good enough to play out and shop around if you so desire. But just remember, when using the Compressor, EQ and Mastering Chain on the master channel, LESS IS MORE. And when EQing the kick with the bass, I wouldn't take out as much as Sander is saying. You just have to "dig holes" using the EQ on the bass and let the kick fill in the space, and vice versa. But you should be filtering out anything below 75hz to 80hz on the kick though as a starting point. Example, lets say the kick is nice and punchy at around 93hz, you would scoop out that space on the bass then and let the punch from the kick fill in the space now, but with upper even harmonics you would then go to the kick at around 186hz and scoop that out and let the low/low mids from the bass fill that in. In theory everything should be sitting nice and pretty now. And when mixing down, I would try and filter out everything below 180hz-200hz on ALL your tracks except the bass and kick or anything that should obviously have some low end on it. It will help clean up that lower end. And make sure you do it on everything, even your hi hats because you never know what was sampled and there still might be some rumble from the mic when it was recorded. Cheers mate and best of luck |
| Carli Halsall 20.09.2010 | Ok i very quickly put a stronger kick in there, some reverb and delay and eq-ing and a example of a standard bassline to show what you can do with the lower frequencies instead of having the lead there. Also put in one of my percussion loop samples to show how you can get groove, not really electro percussion but it should get the idea across. Beat is not entirely on time as well but you get the point can't put it up publicly because it's not my own material so here it is on a private link: http://soundcloud.com/sanderbongertm...sample/s-wphNC Sound is a bit muffled by the way because I just layered it all on the mp3 file lol |
| Emilee Woytovich 20.09.2010 |
Originally Posted by Sanderbongertman
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| Carli Halsall 20.09.2010 | Sounding quite interesting! I have a few tips/suggestions for you. -The lead synth sounds a bit dry in the intro, try putting a light reverb on it there. Not too much though. Wet ratio of about 10%, decay time of about 1 second and a bit of low cut to avoid it getting muddy. -When the kick first hits it I hear some phasing going on. Can't exactly tell what causes it but I believe the lead has too much low-freqs that collides with the kick. Try to put a high-pass on it that gradually cuts out the frequencies below 250-300 hz. - The highest-pitched melody (0:15-0:30) is at the start of every 1/4th note. Try playing around a bit with the starting points of the notes to create a bit more groove. Maybe also up the attack a tiny bit so it doesn't sound too harsh. -For more tension in the break try playing around with a high-pass filter so the low-end comes in harder after the breakdown. -Use a fatter snare OR put a little distortion on it and send it to an aux bus and put reverb on the bus. Reverb can make the snare much bigger. Finally play around with percussion to get more groove going. I just downloaded it and will make a quick sketch of what I mean if you don't mind, really like the sound! |
| Francisca Conejo 20.09.2010 | Nice start to a track... Agree with ohmyjosh though could do with distorting the snare... or maybe just using a different sample all together? Also feel you could do with adding a bit more effects to the lead synth line from 1:00 onwards (don't over do it though).... that could just be me though. |
| Jesusita Capano 20.09.2010 | I would say that the snares in the build up (about 45secs) are way too clean (and loud?), maybe try distorting them somehow. I like the high notes that jump about in the background though! |
| Breana Singerman 20.09.2010 | Just have to find that ever elusive pocket groove, doesn't matter how you find it |
| Emilee Woytovich 20.09.2010 | cheers! by groove do you mean "Groove" (as in Ableton Groove/swing) or groove as in a funkier drum pattern and rhythm? |
| Breana Singerman 18.09.2010 | Good start of a track mate, just need to add some groove and a bit more automation to give it some life |
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