How To warp a "transition" track in Ableton 8?

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How To warp a "transition" track in Ableton 8?
Posted on: 11.11.2010 by Penni Rigor
Just picked up Ableton 8 and am using it for my dance radio show mixes. Can't figure out how to warp a song that has multiple tempo changes in it. An example would be a song starting at 128bpm for the first few bars for mix in, then slowly changing to the songs original 80bpm and then back up to 128bpm at the end for the mix out. I've heard of breaking it up into separate tracks, but am not sure. Any thoughts or techniques for this?
Tressa Schemenauer
23.11.2010
Originally Posted by Patch
The only problem with that is, you'll need to manually change Lives master tempo during the un-warped sections.
If you don't want to separate into multiple clips you could automate the tempo change using the pencil tool in the arrangement view on the master track.
Rubi Gamradt
14.11.2010
Originally Posted by Patch
(Warped at initial BPM - Clip named "<Clip Name>")(Warped at final BPM - Clip named "120 <Clip Name>")
Sorry Patch I just seen my error, kind of tired been producing all evening , how could it be un-time-stretched audio there are warp markers connecting the whole track, just not extra ones to even out the speed of the whole track to one tempo, will edit it.

Ok if that Patch from ALDJ, please clear up the bit I quoted on naming conventions for launching clips, I only ever did it using Scenes before, if not please do anyway and thx! Kind of sleeping atm and playing catch up with some of the new features in V 7 & 8 + I forgot a fair bit int he near 4 years I was away, use it or loose it as they say.
Penni Rigor
11.11.2010		Just picked up Ableton 8 and am using it for my dance radio show mixes. Can't figure out how to warp a song that has multiple tempo changes in it. An example would be a song starting at 128bpm for the first few bars for mix in, then slowly changing to the songs original 80bpm and then back up to 128bpm at the end for the mix out. I've heard of breaking it up into separate tracks, but am not sure. Any thoughts or techniques for this?
Tressa Schemenauer
23.11.2010
Originally Posted by Patch
The only problem with that is, you'll need to manually change Lives master tempo during the un-warped sections.
If you don't want to separate into multiple clips you could automate the tempo change using the pencil tool in the arrangement view on the master track.
Rikki Angello
14.11.2010		I was never able to really grasp the multi-tempo warping in Live. Logic's beat mapping is way easier for me to grasp than warping in Live for songs with multiple tempo changes.
Rubi Gamradt
14.11.2010
Originally Posted by Patch
(Warped at initial BPM - Clip named "<Clip Name>")(Warped at final BPM - Clip named "120 <Clip Name>")
Sorry Patch I just seen my error, kind of tired been producing all evening , how could it be un-time-stretched audio there are warp markers connecting the whole track, just not extra ones to even out the speed of the whole track to one tempo, will edit it.

Ok if that Patch from ALDJ, please clear up the bit I quoted on naming conventions for launching clips, I only ever did it using Scenes before, if not please do anyway and thx! Kind of sleeping atm and playing catch up with some of the new features in V 7 & 8 + I forgot a fair bit int he near 4 years I was away, use it or loose it as they say.
Brunilda Kora
14.11.2010		The only problem with that is, you'll need to manually change Lives master tempo during the un-warped sections.

There's an easier way. Split the track into 3 clips:

1) Initial BPM 85 ----------------(Warped at initial BPM - Clip named "<Clip Name>")
2) Transition portion of track
3) Final BPM 120 ----------------(Warped at final BPM - Clip named "120 <Clip Name>")

Set up follow actions to play the 3 tracks sequentially, and Roberts your mothers brother.

Clip 1) will play at Lives master tempo, then when the follow action kicks in, the transition portion of the Transition Track Clip 2) will play, then when the follow action kicks in, Clip 3) will play at 120BPM.
Rubi Gamradt
14.11.2010		Look at this following Key and then the accompanying Text & Number Diagram:


***********************
Key:

| = Regular Beat Transients with Warp Markers.

<-> = Portion of Audio with no warp markers to let the track change speed.

***BPM or **BPM = Speed.

---- = Please ignore these hyphens, there are there make my text stick to the correct place in the Text/Number diagram.

*****************************************


Diagram 1b:


128 BPM --------- 80BPM---------128 BPM
| | | | | | < - > | | | | | | < - > | | | | | |



Its a simple as leaving 2 gaps in the audio file with no warp markers in those sections to let the track shift up and down in speed in two sections (in regards of the track you talking of), the more tempo variations in a track, the more gaps you leave. This is an advanced warping technique and is more for the journeyman warper than the novice. It's a mater of gauging when the tempo starts to drift from a regular tempo to when it settles at the lower speed then find a even increment (Warping audio is all about Even Multiplication and Division). When the track hits a contant beat, warp as normal then when it drifts leave it, move forward and play the file un-time-stretched to a further stable tempo but even period. A perfect track to illustrate this would be

http://www.discogs.com/Lil-Louis-Fre.../release/59650

Search for threads on warping @ ALDJ<<<

Any probs post over there the peeps will sort you out, if one don't see this here as we split between the two nowadays (there/here)

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