Reply to LPD 8 and LPK 25

Just after a bit of info on these as I slowly decide to move into production. What daw's are people using with these? Is the lpd 8 good for beat making (drumming) and are there enough keys on the 25?

The price is certainly right. Was believeing of using them in Ableton but every video I've found just have people using the lpd8 to launch clips live instead of actually producing shit..

The pads look good but maybe it would be better to go for the machine + lpk 25? Shoot some ideas my way peoples!
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