Kick Drum - FATNESS
Kick Drum - FATNESS Posted on: 06.07.2011 by Jovita Schulist Hey all,Having a little bit of trouble achieving the Huge Bass Kick that you hear in most dubstep tracks. The kicks I have been producing are all very good, but none are quite where i want them to be. I have a few different methods, depending on the day. My Samples are coming mostly from my maschine, but maybe thats the problem? For example, an amazing kick is from Nero - This Way. (Fucking TUNE all together). Ableton Live Layering a few kicks Eq each one individually Sometimes Overdrive Compress at the end Any suggestions?! I've got my snares and hats down.. kicks are my only trouble drum wise :/. Thanks, J | |
| Annamae Tablada 17.08.2011 | Punchy: 100-120 Snap/click:2,3,4 K BOOM: 80hz -50 hz What I do most of the time is if I boost 100 like a bell I will then take out the frequencies next to it a bit. So it's kind of an S shape. This way, you avoid over-boosting the low end. It's a psicoacoustic effect, when there is less of something we perceive there is more of the rest. You can also take a synth bass as they say (sine wave preset) gate it using the Kick, but be careful on the attack and release because if you put the release value to fast it starts "clicking" Eddy Mass |
| Elmer Hingson 17.08.2011 | Use parallel compression on the kick drum to achieve immediate results. Tutorial from DJ TT is here: http://www.djranking s.com/2010/05/1...best-a-how-to/ Other options are side-chain compression, eq-ing, and adding some synth bass with fast attack and release. |
| Lang Abriel 26.07.2011 | So as far as eq'ing these layered kicks, I mean I can tell by ear when something is punchy and when it is a lower tone but what frequencies do you work around? Like punchy high end at 80-100 and sub bass at 30-50? My numbers may be way off just played with it for a bit. Thanks |
| Edris Acevedo 26.07.2011 | I find duplicating your kick and applying the Auto Filter to the duplicate works quite well. |
| Annamae Tablada 26.07.2011 | If has little or zero low end you cant do much. Whta you could do is try and compress the tail of the kick adjusting the attack and release settings with a medium ratio. |
| Jovita Schulist 25.07.2011 | hey, I'm stuck on SideChaining. Is it possible without Ableton Suite? I have built a really good sounding high end kick, but am having trouble with the low end. Is it best to use a sub tone? (note) and try to match it with the kick note ( by using spectrum in ableton ) , or would it just be better to eq,fx,and compress a bassy kick sample and layer it? Thanks, J |
| Lang Abriel 08.07.2011 | Off topic but is eq-8 the standard in ableton for eq'ing drums, does anyone else use a different eq in ableton or is there any benefits...ie workflow to using another eq? I'm new and just trying to work on my drums as well. |
| Teresia Janusch 08.07.2011 | parallel compression on ur kick track...also try waves renaissance bass to add some punch |
| Annamae Tablada 08.07.2011 | To get that FATNESS you are refering to, you can compress, but it depends how you compress that it will or will not mess up your kick. What I try to do is compress the tail of the sound and not the transient, otherwise you will loose all that punchiness of the kick. Try and playing with the attack, make it fast, but not too fast that it will also compress the initial part of the kick, then proceed and tweak the release medium-long, depending on the tail and your own taste. Or you can always use a Sine wave at 50hz or so and gate it (like a "trance-gater" fx). |
| Jovita Schulist 08.07.2011 | hmm. Still getting the little click at the end of each sample. Tried the decay, and the gate. It is when the sample ends. Any other suggestions? Thanks so much, J |
| Ofelia Schraner 08.07.2011 | Try using the decay knob on each kick to see which is making that noise or you can try using a gate, adjust the gate threshold SLIGHTLY and see if it still making that noise. a gate is very useful as it cuts down everything not reaching the threshold volume. very good for loops which might sound too techish and 'shuffl-ish' |
| Jovita Schulist 07.07.2011 | ahhh. The simplicity of the 2 kicks is working pretty nicely. Nice sub bass kick, with a puncher is definitely the way to go. Eq'ing each as necessary. Just one last problem, When i combine the 2, there is a little sound at the end of the kick.. i wouldn't call it a thud, but a little noise. Maybe one is ending earlier? This is a hard one to explain, and u might have no clue what i mean :/. I've made 5 kicks. 3 have it, 3 are what i want. THANKYOU! Still please help. J |
| Breana Singerman 07.07.2011 | Just dial in the decay time then and see if that cleans up the issue |
| Ofelia Schraner 07.07.2011 | Have two layers of kicks. The Top end: The MAIN sound of the kick. Do some slight eqing such as boosting afew freqs and cutting off the lower end so it will not conflict with the sub kick and compression. The Sub end:Take a kick drum, filter everything with a low pass filter with Auto filter in ableton and make sure its SUBBY and BOOMY. Do slight compression. Layer em up and you'll have a nice loud phat kick! |
| Jovita Schulist 07.07.2011 | Thanks to all for answering. Working on figuring out sidechaining. I'm pretty new to ableton, only been at it for 2 months. So i understand the idea, but am having difficulty at the step where u create a sub bass. What can i use to create it? I don't have suite. J |
| Karry Sappington 06.07.2011 | i am a newbie,so i dont know the exact terms but this method worked for me. Take a kick sample, time stretch the end part and add some wobble in it. It sould look like some sin wave for about 3/4 of the actual lenth, add reverb and layer with the original kick at a higher gain. try mid pass in filter for the wooble kick with a bit reso. |
| Irving Odabashian 06.07.2011 | Try using a transient shaper or envelope to get the right 'shape' for the kick. kick samples are never all the length so stacking them can make them sound a little out of place together. after EQing them induvidually, send them all to a sub-bus before going into your drum bus, in there, compress them, EQ them to make them nice and fat, then stick a transient shaper/envelope on them to get the right shape. I tend to find they sound fatter if I take a little off the tail and add a little boost to the initial smack. Then do what ever limiting/overdriving you like to do. Thats how I tend to produce my kicks anyway, normally works for me! |
| Leeanna Ayla 06.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by Sherlock Ohms
Two for two. |
| Kandy Ahdoot 06.07.2011 | +1 side chainging layers and some good eq'ing don't over believe it |
| Spencer Kilcoyne 06.07.2011 | Tried sidechaining? (oh and this'll probably end up in the produciton community ...) |
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