Maschine VS Live/MPD

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Maschine VS Live/MPD
Posted on: 28.07.2011 by Lizzie Hoesley
For beat juggling and major mashups (believe studio work to be played at club on a cdj or whatever) which is preferred?

Maschine 1.6 comes with some other stuff now that makes it more DAW like, so I've heard.

Say I'm having choices of getting Maschine OR MPD (that comes with Live 8) and using ONLY Sampler (or Simpler. Whichever. I don't care.)

Obviously one is MUCH cheaper. What would I miss out on if I go with an MPD?

[[MPD+LIVE=MPC, right?]]
Neil Malia
20.08.2011
Originally Posted by LmnLm3

Basically I want to be a DJ without the platters :-)
thats what im all about!! i hate turntables lol
Leeanna Ayla
04.08.2011
Originally Posted by mostapha
Nice.

But,


isn't a new feature. You could already do that with 3rd party plugins. You just couldn't load stored presets/programs like that. So, it's not a huge difference
Dorie Scelzo
04.08.2011		Nice.

But,
Originally Posted by NI qtd by photojojo
now with 1.7, you can even browse and load the plug-in presets from all KOMPLETE 8 versions - KOMPLETE ELEMENTS, KOMPLETE 8, and KOMPLETE 8 ULTIMATE
Leeanna Ayla
03.08.2011		I believe the OP wants a Maschine. And FYI, 1.7 comes out next month.

http://www.native-instruments.com/#/...ine/?page=2146
With the upcoming 1.7 update*, a new level of integration and intuitive workflow is achieved thanks to MASCHINE's support of NATIVE INSTRUMENT's new
Gilma Marchini
03.08.2011
Originally Posted by mostapha
I disagree wholeheartedly. Maschine is just as open ended with the sole caveat that it isn't ideal to record, mixdown, and master a track using only Maschine. Everything that the MPD + Live can do, Maschine can do as well.
You're totally right
Dorie Scelzo
03.08.2011
Originally Posted by tyfurious
Maschine is great if you want bundled software and samples, whereas the MPD is better if you already know what you're going to do with it. The MPD seems to have more potential, but require more effort.
I disagree wholeheartedly. Maschine is just as open ended with the sole caveat that it isn't ideal to record, mixdown, and master a track using only Maschine. Everything that the MPD + Live can do, Maschine can do as well.

With Live, you get Max4Live patches and a DAW that is capable of finishing (as opposed to just composing) a song.

With Maschine you get an interface that makes the computer all but disappear and a huge sample library.

But, I'm not sure what the OP actually wants. Beat juggling and mashups don't really have much to do with each other in the studio context, and he mentioned playing stuff on CDJs. So, I believe that Live might be the better choice for him because the way that Maschine works with long audio samples (i.e., full verses) is less intuitive than the way that Live does it
Lizzie Hoesley
28.07.2011		For beat juggling and major mashups (believe studio work to be played at club on a cdj or whatever) which is preferred?

Maschine 1.6 comes with some other stuff now that makes it more DAW like, so I've heard.

Say I'm having choices of getting Maschine OR MPD (that comes with Live 8) and using ONLY Sampler (or Simpler. Whichever. I don't care.)

Obviously one is MUCH cheaper. What would I miss out on if I go with an MPD?

[[MPD+LIVE=MPC, right?]]
Lizzie Hoesley
20.08.2011		I guess the APC40 has the advantage of having an xfade...

Other than that, are they all just coke/pepsi?
Elvie Burgs
20.08.2011		I really enjoy using both Maschine+Live together. It sits as a plugin vst so you can do whatever you want in the maschine software (like step sequence etc) and then you can add additional fx, instruments, and editing with Live.

Although for DJing without platters, I prefer to use the APC40 to control Live.
Neil Malia
20.08.2011
Originally Posted by LmnLm3

Basically I want to be a DJ without the platters :-)
thats what im all about!! i hate turntables lol
Lizzie Hoesley
20.08.2011		Wow, I never subscribed to this thread (apparently!) so thanks for fleshing it out without me!

When I said mashup/beat juggling, I meant like cue points or a fully mapped simpler (from a full song, with different chords, words, or hits on different notes)

I suppose the reason I was looking at Maschine was because I saw it featured on NI's youtube with (I forget who) doing some cool live application stuff with it in Traktor.

And the reason I was looking at MPDs was because it would have that same physical feel, but I could do my Ableton thing and not have spent as much money on the hardware.

I'm getting into controllerism in general, MPK mini, having fun with that, it's not for me though (mapping it is a bitch).

Basically I want to be a DJ without the platters :-)

Is this only do-able in the studio for mixtapes? Or is this possible to do live as well? (or would I need a proper mixer for doing that?)
Leeanna Ayla
04.08.2011
Originally Posted by mostapha
Nice.

But,


isn't a new feature. You could already do that with 3rd party plugins. You just couldn't load stored presets/programs like that. So, it's not a huge difference
Dorie Scelzo
04.08.2011		Nice.

But,
Originally Posted by NI qtd by photojojo
now with 1.7, you can even browse and load the plug-in presets from all KOMPLETE 8 versions - KOMPLETE ELEMENTS, KOMPLETE 8, and KOMPLETE 8 ULTIMATE
Neil Malia
04.08.2011		I believe I'm gonna do some trading in at guitar center when 1.7 comes out
Leeanna Ayla
03.08.2011		I believe the OP wants a Maschine. And FYI, 1.7 comes out next month.

http://www.native-instruments.com/#/...ine/?page=2146
With the upcoming 1.7 update*, a new level of integration and intuitive workflow is achieved thanks to MASCHINE's support of NATIVE INSTRUMENT's new
Gilma Marchini
03.08.2011
Originally Posted by mostapha
I disagree wholeheartedly. Maschine is just as open ended with the sole caveat that it isn't ideal to record, mixdown, and master a track using only Maschine. Everything that the MPD + Live can do, Maschine can do as well.
You're totally right
Dorie Scelzo
03.08.2011
Originally Posted by tyfurious
Maschine is great if you want bundled software and samples, whereas the MPD is better if you already know what you're going to do with it. The MPD seems to have more potential, but require more effort.
I disagree wholeheartedly. Maschine is just as open ended with the sole caveat that it isn't ideal to record, mixdown, and master a track using only Maschine. Everything that the MPD + Live can do, Maschine can do as well.

With Live, you get Max4Live patches and a DAW that is capable of finishing (as opposed to just composing) a song.

With Maschine you get an interface that makes the computer all but disappear and a huge sample library.

But, I'm not sure what the OP actually wants. Beat juggling and mashups don't really have much to do with each other in the studio context, and he mentioned playing stuff on CDJs. So, I believe that Live might be the better choice for him because the way that Maschine works with long audio samples (i.e., full verses) is less intuitive than the way that Live does it
Celine Surico
04.08.2011		Yep, self-contained (Maschine) versus open-ended (MPD). Both are fine.
Gilma Marchini
04.08.2011		Maschine is closer to the MPC, whereas the MPD is something in an entirely different class (mostly because there is no right way to use it). Maschine is great if you want bundled software and samples, whereas the MPD is better if you already know what you're going to do with it. The MPD seems to have more potential, but require more effort.
Neil Malia
04.08.2011		Well for the maschine it has beats, samples, and other things that are built into it and with an mpd it is a midi controller typically used to trigger something thru ableton or whatever. The maschine is more comparable to the MPC but the maschine can also be used as a midi controller to I believe.

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