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How Much Mastering Do These Tracks Need? HELP!

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How Much Mastering Do These Tracks Need? HELP! Posted on: 15.04.2012 by Delilah Obst Hey There,I Wanted TO Post This Track To Get Some Expert Advice ON How Close I Am To Getting My Tracks To Sound Like TOP Quality Productions....I Know The Mastering Isn't Perfect,But What Do You Think? Thanks.... PS. My Type Of Style Is Very Dirty Synth Sounding -EK NEW STYLE OF WHAT MY MASTERING SOUNDS LIKE: http://soundcloud.com/electrokiid/el...iid-set-it-off OLD STYLE: http://soundcloud.com/electrokiid/el...ashman-preview
Georgina Schatzman 13.05.2012	Originally Posted by djspinnaspin Mix down: making sure all your levels are at the volume you want them at Mastering: giving certain sound characteristics to each audio track,giving it more depth and sound/also making sure each instrument track doesn't drown out the next instrument track -EK What you described in both descriptions is the mixdown process
Dorie Scelzo 09.05.2012	Originally Posted by JB Mastering I didn't know this! Not really spamming though, one post... Your user has 3 posts. The first was an advertisement and the other 2 were arguing about the first one not being spam. Please either be constructive or go away. Or don't. You'll be on my ignore list, so I'll never see you again. Originally Posted by sarasin You can't polish a turd. LIES! Originally Posted by sarasin They should sound as close to the real deal as possible, BEFORE mastering takes place. If the sounds you use are low quality, there is no way mastering can make it better. just sayin... I'm of that opinion. There's a lot that mastering can do, but mostly it just makes things louder and compensates for the speakers/room the track was mixed on……but only if the mastering engineer has a better, more neutral sound system than the producer did when it was mixed. Read this ---> http://tarekith.com/assets/mastering.html So…if you're mixing and mastering in the same room with the same ears and the same speakers…you're basically just fixing problems that you should have fixed while mixing. So, I say throw a good limiter on it and crank the gain until it's RMSing at the level you're expecting with enough headroom left to avoid intersample modulation distortion (SSL's X-ISM is a free plugin that detects it…fabfilter pro-L does both in one step…and is awesome), tweak the attack/release/lookahead of your limiter, and if it doesn't sound right…go back to the mixdown. And, no, I didn't listen to the tracks either. Based on where this thread is, I don't believe that doing so would change my opinion. Originally Posted by JasonBay there are different mastering process's based on the format (i.e. Vinyl, CD, Wav/MP3) that will allow you to get the most out of the selected format. CD and wav/mp3 should be identical masters. Vinyl is different only because of technical limitations of the medium. I haven't had anything pressed to wax yet because I'm not even ready to release anything yet (getting closer) but based on everything I've read, if you're talking about singles on 12" vinyl…it's basically 1 extra very formulaic step towards the end of the mastering chain and paying someone to physically operate the machinery. And if you follow more of the "rules" than a lot of people do, that step isn't that necessary either. I'm sure there's more to it than what I've read, but……I'm confident that between a discussion with a vinyl pressing engineer and normal mastering, the result would be usable. And I do plan on doing it at some point (hopefully this year).
Georgina Schatzman 10.05.2012	Originally Posted by sobi I've said it a million times... Mastering is a waste of money. Hardly, there's a reason certain mastering engineers get called upon time and time again. because they can make the track sound that much better, plus there are different mastering process's based on the format (i.e. Vinyl, CD, Wav/MP3) that will allow you to get the most out of the selected format. You can't list the exceptions and make them the rules.
Tennie Dornburg 09.05.2012	Originally Posted by sarasin You can't polish a turd. That being said, I have not listened to it. You are the producer, should not master you own tracks. They should sound as close to the real deal as possible, BEFORE mastering takes place. If the sounds you use are low quality, there is no way mastering can make it better. just sayin... i feel the same way about that. the songs kind of feel empty, like the sounds are not full. almost like you filtered the sounds
Georgina Schatzman 13.05.2012	Mastering audio is distinct from mixing because the engineer will predominantly be working with the stereo mixdown. Mastering does not usually have the flexibility afforded by multi track recording mix downs and is akin to adding the icing on the cake of a well produced musical mix. The gear used in mastering studios is typically, but not exclusively, parametric equalizers, compressors, limiters and stereo width manipulation tools. There are often 2 goals with this gear . The first type of gear is transparent when audio passes through, only influencing the audio when the controls are adjusted intentionally by the mastering engineer. The second is gear that has a design which adds some specific colouration to the audio even if the gear parameters remain at zero. The synergy between the gear choices, monitoring, acoustics and engineering experience should add together to be a subjective improvement of the audio before release. The audio processing adjustments used in mastering procedures can be slight or more substantial. If a client has clear aims and no recourse to an adjusted or revised mix then the engineer may have to apply all his or her knowledge to using tools in an almost creative manner. This is so the results are as close as possible to what the client expects, within the realms of practical possibility. Not my exact words, but sums up perfectly what the mastering process is, and, more importantly, what it IS NOT.
Delilah Obst 13.05.2012	Well then.....Please tell me the REAL terms and definitions(In your own words)
Georgina Schatzman 13.05.2012	Originally Posted by djspinnaspin Mix down: making sure all your levels are at the volume you want them at Mastering: giving certain sound characteristics to each audio track,giving it more depth and sound/also making sure each instrument track doesn't drown out the next instrument track -EK What you described in both descriptions is the mixdown process
Delilah Obst 13.05.2012	Mix down: making sure all your levels are at the volume you want them at Mastering: giving certain sound characteristics to each audio track,giving it more depth and sound/also making sure each instrument track doesn't drown out the next instrument track -EK
Georgina Schatzman 13.05.2012	Do you understand the difference between mixing down a track and mastering a track?
Delilah Obst 12.05.2012	Any more help? I Just put a NEW "Hopefully" better sounding mastered ORIGINAL on my page /// SoundCloud.Com/ElectroKIID
Daine Ziadeh 10.05.2012	Commenting on your own tracks is IMO talking to yourself. My personal opinion on the track is the sounds, i don't know, they might be a little too much for me.
Dorie Scelzo 10.05.2012	Cool.
Monserrate Rupnow 10.05.2012	No, not saying don't master for vinyl, just that you don't need to worry about making tracks for vinyl loud, that's all.
Dorie Scelzo 10.05.2012	Hmm… So, your suggestion for mastering for vinyl is literally don't. Fun. I believe/trust you, but that's not what I'd read so far. I really want to try this……just need to produce something I'm willing to commit to a few hundred copies of.
Monserrate Rupnow 09.05.2012	You'd be surprised ay how little of the whole bass in mono thing needs to be done these days, but it's certainly something they have to watch out for. I don't believe it's an issue of dynamic range, so much as pure loudness. They have tools to push the level going on a record that having nothing at all to do with how loud the digital version they receive is. So it makes sense to let them handle all the aspects of that, versus trying to salvage what they can with something that's already squashed and clipped.
Dorie Scelzo 09.05.2012	And taking bass out of the side signal so it doesn't make the needle jump out of the groove. Is dynamic range control (RMS to Peak levels) any different? It seemed like it was basically the same…plus a HP filter on the side signal if the track has stereo information below like 300hz (which seemed kinda arbitrary…but whatever).
Monserrate Rupnow 09.05.2012	The biggest difference with mastering for vinyl is that the mastering engineer is not at all worried about making it "loud". The cutting engineer will control that, based on all their experience in what the vinyl and their lathe can handle.
Dorie Scelzo 09.05.2012	Originally Posted by JB Mastering I didn't know this! Not really spamming though, one post... Your user has 3 posts. The first was an advertisement and the other 2 were arguing about the first one not being spam. Please either be constructive or go away. Or don't. You'll be on my ignore list, so I'll never see you again. Originally Posted by sarasin You can't polish a turd. LIES! Originally Posted by sarasin They should sound as close to the real deal as possible, BEFORE mastering takes place. If the sounds you use are low quality, there is no way mastering can make it better. just sayin... I'm of that opinion. There's a lot that mastering can do, but mostly it just makes things louder and compensates for the speakers/room the track was mixed on……but only if the mastering engineer has a better, more neutral sound system than the producer did when it was mixed. Read this ---> http://tarekith.com/assets/mastering.html So…if you're mixing and mastering in the same room with the same ears and the same speakers…you're basically just fixing problems that you should have fixed while mixing. So, I say throw a good limiter on it and crank the gain until it's RMSing at the level you're expecting with enough headroom left to avoid intersample modulation distortion (SSL's X-ISM is a free plugin that detects it…fabfilter pro-L does both in one step…and is awesome), tweak the attack/release/lookahead of your limiter, and if it doesn't sound right…go back to the mixdown. And, no, I didn't listen to the tracks either. Based on where this thread is, I don't believe that doing so would change my opinion. Originally Posted by JasonBay there are different mastering process's based on the format (i.e. Vinyl, CD, Wav/MP3) that will allow you to get the most out of the selected format. CD and wav/mp3 should be identical masters. Vinyl is different only because of technical limitations of the medium. I haven't had anything pressed to wax yet because I'm not even ready to release anything yet (getting closer) but based on everything I've read, if you're talking about singles on 12" vinyl…it's basically 1 extra very formulaic step towards the end of the mastering chain and paying someone to physically operate the machinery. And if you follow more of the "rules" than a lot of people do, that step isn't that necessary either. I'm sure there's more to it than what I've read, but……I'm confident that between a discussion with a vinyl pressing engineer and normal mastering, the result would be usable. And I do plan on doing it at some point (hopefully this year).
Georgina Schatzman 10.05.2012	Originally Posted by sobi I've said it a million times... Mastering is a waste of money. Hardly, there's a reason certain mastering engineers get called upon time and time again. because they can make the track sound that much better, plus there are different mastering process's based on the format (i.e. Vinyl, CD, Wav/MP3) that will allow you to get the most out of the selected format. You can't list the exceptions and make them the rules.
Georgina Schatzman 10.05.2012	Are you talking Mastering or doing a Mixdown?
Darren Teboe 09.05.2012	I've said it a million times... Mastering is a waste of money. If you can make your levels even, and produce a great track, it will go viral. Keep in mind, that Daft Punks debut album, "Homework", was completely done in Thomas Bangalter's bedroom. Also, take a listen to Wu-Tang Clan's 36 Chambers and tell me how good the mastering is. It's shit, yet it was one of golden era hip hop's most important and popular albums.
Matt Kane 09.05.2012	moving this to the production section.
Tennie Dornburg 09.05.2012	Originally Posted by sarasin You can't polish a turd. That being said, I have not listened to it. You are the producer, should not master you own tracks. They should sound as close to the real deal as possible, BEFORE mastering takes place. If the sounds you use are low quality, there is no way mastering can make it better. just sayin... i feel the same way about that. the songs kind of feel empty, like the sounds are not full. almost like you filtered the sounds
Lilliana Perris 09.05.2012	You can't polish a turd. That being said, I have not listened to it. You are the producer, should not master you own tracks. They should sound as close to the real deal as possible, BEFORE mastering takes place. If the sounds you use are low quality, there is no way mastering can make it better. just sayin...
Cris Stebbings 09.05.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular Generally coming onto community s just to advertise services and products is frowned upon without permission. You're spamming. I didn't know this! Not really spamming though, one post...
Romelia Stankard 09.05.2012	Originally Posted by JB Mastering What a lovely man... Generally coming onto community s just to advertise services and products is frowned upon without permission. You're spamming.
Cris Stebbings 09.05.2012	Originally Posted by Xonetacular go away What a lovely man...
Romelia Stankard 09.05.2012	Originally Posted by JB Mastering If you need any of your tracks mastering i would be glad to help. go away
Cris Stebbings 09.05.2012	If you need any of your tracks mastering i would be glad to help. Regards Originally Posted by djspinnaspin Hey There,I Wanted TO Post This Track To Get Some Expert Advice ON How Close I Am To Getting My Tracks To Sound Like TOP Quality Productions....I Know The Mastering Isn't Perfect,But What Do You Think? Thanks.... PS. My Type Of Style Is Very Dirty Synth Sounding -EK NEW STYLE OF WHAT MY MASTERING SOUNDS LIKE: http://soundcloud.com/electrokiid/el...iid-set-it-off OLD STYLE: http://soundcloud.com/electrokiid/el...ashman-preview
Delilah Obst 16.04.2012	The more sound engineers I talk to,it seems like the point of getting your sounds mastered is so that all your sound tracks can be at the proper levels and that you can hear the song THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSE TO BE HEARD
Kristin Tesfamichael 16.04.2012	I'd say just forget about mastering and worry more about your mix. Ive been following lucky date for a while now, and hes always talking about how he doesn't "believe" in mastering. basically he's never been happy with anything he has gotten back from mastering so he just makes the mix sound really good then adds some light limiting to bring up the volume.
Tessie Grether 16.04.2012	The sounds you used are really distorted, and it might be the speakers im on... but everything you have in that preview lacks depth. You should work on EQ'ing and maybe adding a sub layer.

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How Much Mastering Do These Tracks Need? HELP!