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Midi Fighter 3D?
Posted on: 27.02.2012 by Arletha Heddens
Just saw the new blog post....

Seems like an awesome idea, but i honestly believe that's a little bit too... far?

I really can't see this style of controller taking off, because lets face it... We arn't all as energetic as Ean when playing a set :L Well at least, i definitely am not. And i guess it would be a 'center piece' controller... As in the main controller, because with the classic or pro, they were kind of additions to a setup where you could reach over and tap in a few effects, but this seems to be much more like a game controller where it needs to ALWAYS be in your hands.

I guess it has a freaking WOW factor, because lets face it. That is a seriously awesome piece of hardware, just seems to be over the top for what it should be. And i don't believe anyone saw this kind of construction coming as the 'new djtt controller'...

But yeah. Thoughts?
Stefani Addams
19.04.2012
Originally Posted by midifidler
Sorry about the delay on an announcement guys - there will be one within 2 weeks I absolutely promise.

This was not some kind of marketing strategy, as is common for a new problem there where a few production issues which delayed the project. We would rather get things right than send out defective product, trust me we are just as pumped as you to get this on the market.

Thanks for you patience!
Thanks for the info ... I was going to go crazy checking my email all these days
Stefani Addams
17.04.2012
Originally Posted by scamo
Yeah, I would believe, if NI actually does take the "only we can map our own hardware for our own software" approach, they are actually going to loose a lot of ground fast. I personally would be very, very disgruntled. I find it hard to believe NI would continue to ignore or even worse, lock down one of things that makes Traktor shine, which is the midi mapping capabilities (even though the Controller Manager is worthy of serious improvements). If they were really smart, they would actually build on that part of the software and give people even better tools to map midi devices to work with Traktor and not lock down the software, so it only works well with NI hardware.

Oh well. We'll see what happens with 2.5.

scamo
Yup ... BTW nice Mapping man I used it once in one of my mixes, thanks for a sick job.
Chasidy Heckenbach
17.04.2012
Originally Posted by tr4gik
I would be really disappointed if they do, but as you say it would be possible. If NI would take this approach I would probably start considering other software options for the future ... : /
personally i'm very interested in "the one" and "vdj pro 8" when they come out. the downside of vdj is the price so it would have to be very good. vdj already has *heaps* more options for mapping and also a developers api for adding new functionality so for me is very interesting. with the merging of djdecks that also had advanced mapping options vdj might be very interesting... the price tho sucks. i can't see many people being willing to fork out 300usd esp now that NI have changed their pricings.
Stefani Addams
17.04.2012
Originally Posted by scamo
Remember though, NI seems to have decided to push their hardware and less their software, as that is the intention of their new "free software with all hardware" marketing direction. They aren't trying to sell Traktor, but rather some piece of hardware with Traktor, so it would be more in line with this direction to not let mappers have mapping control of the Remix decks, but rather sort of force people who want the Remix deck functionality to just buy one or more F1s.

I am not saying this will happen and I certainly hope it doesn't, but NI could. And you bet I'll be the first one to cry "what a scam!" if they do.

scamo
I would be really disappointed if they do, but as you say it would be possible. If NI would take this approach I would probably start considering other software options for the future ... : /
Chasidy Heckenbach
17.04.2012
Originally Posted by scamo
Remember though, NI seems to have decided to push their hardware and less their software, as that is the intention of their new "free software with all hardware" marketing direction. They aren't trying to sell Traktor, but rather some piece of hardware with Traktor, so it would be more in line with this direction to not let mappers have mapping control of the Remix decks, but rather sort of force people who want the Remix deck functionality to just buy one or more F1s.
this is true... just have to wait and see what controls they allow to be midi mapped i guess. i really hope we can map it all to any controller but i do have my doubt's on the multi-color stuff for different samples etc. esp as different controllers can only use certain values to select certain colours.

also i'm pretty sure that the K2, due to it's odd midi implementation won't be very useful for mapping them to - due to the way it implements colours. i'm sure one of the cool features of the new remix decks will being able to map different samples to diff colours and don't see how that's going to work on a K2 due to one colour being fixed to one latching layer/midi channel.

the mf3d only has a limited range of midi values that can be used to select colours too ofc. will have to see i guess...
Stefani Addams
17.04.2012
Originally Posted by Quarent!ne
Is anyone else checking their email 20 times a day waiting for this thing to release??? C'mon DJTT!!! You're killing me here!!!
Yeah Im like you dude. So much for "shipping late march - early april" .... Damn marketing strategies, thought DJTT were different.
Rey Holubar
17.04.2012
Originally Posted by zestoi
there again NI would be dumb to not allow a midi controller to be mapped as effectively as the F1 as the remix decks will be a big selling point for traktor.
Remember though, NI seems to have decided to push their hardware and less their software, as that is the intention of their new "free software with all hardware" marketing direction. They aren't trying to sell Traktor, but rather some piece of hardware with Traktor, so it would be more in line with this direction to not let mappers have mapping control of the Remix decks, but rather sort of force people who want the Remix deck functionality to just buy one or more F1s.

I am not saying this will happen and I certainly hope it doesn't, but NI could. And you bet I'll be the first one to cry "what a scam!" if they do.

scamo
Stefani Addams
19.04.2012
Originally Posted by midifidler
Sorry about the delay on an announcement guys - there will be one within 2 weeks I absolutely promise.

This was not some kind of marketing strategy, as is common for a new problem there where a few production issues which delayed the project. We would rather get things right than send out defective product, trust me we are just as pumped as you to get this on the market.

Thanks for you patience!
Thanks for the info ... I was going to go crazy checking my email all these days
Shante Plourde
19.04.2012		this may be crazy, or already discussed and dismissed but...
Has anyone thought of using Just the midi fighter 3d for their set? I'd really like to look into that...

first things first, we would have to be able to use the 3d as a crossfader
for Crossfader control: hold down botton X and tilt the 3d one way or the other.

possible issues:
will the tilt appreciate the full range of the crossfader?
If I do move the crossfader over to side B, will it reset to the center if I press botton X while the 3d is flat?
possible solution:
Maybe if there was a way to "stick" the cross fader after the movement, so that you could move the xfader from wherever it stands upon pressing botton X and tilting accordingly.

what other issues do you believe would come up in only using a 3d in a set? is this possible?

thanks in advance!
Adolf Hit
18.04.2012		Sorry about the delay on an announcement guys - there will be one within 2 weeks I absolutely promise.

This was not some kind of marketing strategy, as is common for a new problem there where a few production issues which delayed the project. We would rather get things right than send out defective product, trust me we are just as pumped as you to get this on the market.

Thanks for you patience!
Rey Holubar
18.04.2012		No Prob. Glad you like it.

scamo
Stefani Addams
17.04.2012
Originally Posted by scamo
Yeah, I would believe, if NI actually does take the "only we can map our own hardware for our own software" approach, they are actually going to loose a lot of ground fast. I personally would be very, very disgruntled. I find it hard to believe NI would continue to ignore or even worse, lock down one of things that makes Traktor shine, which is the midi mapping capabilities (even though the Controller Manager is worthy of serious improvements). If they were really smart, they would actually build on that part of the software and give people even better tools to map midi devices to work with Traktor and not lock down the software, so it only works well with NI hardware.

Oh well. We'll see what happens with 2.5.

scamo
Yup ... BTW nice Mapping man I used it once in one of my mixes, thanks for a sick job.
Rey Holubar
17.04.2012		Yeah, I would believe, if NI actually does take the "only we can map our own hardware for our own software" approach, they are actually going to loose a lot of ground fast. I personally would be very, very disgruntled. I find it hard to believe NI would continue to ignore or even worse, lock down one of things that makes Traktor shine, which is the midi mapping capabilities (even though the Controller Manager is worthy of serious improvements). If they were really smart, they would actually build on that part of the software and give people even better tools to map midi devices to work with Traktor and not lock down the software, so it only works well with NI hardware.

Oh well. We'll see what happens with 2.5.

scamo
Chasidy Heckenbach
17.04.2012
Originally Posted by tr4gik
I would be really disappointed if they do, but as you say it would be possible. If NI would take this approach I would probably start considering other software options for the future ... : /
personally i'm very interested in "the one" and "vdj pro 8" when they come out. the downside of vdj is the price so it would have to be very good. vdj already has *heaps* more options for mapping and also a developers api for adding new functionality so for me is very interesting. with the merging of djdecks that also had advanced mapping options vdj might be very interesting... the price tho sucks. i can't see many people being willing to fork out 300usd esp now that NI have changed their pricings.
Stefani Addams
17.04.2012
Originally Posted by scamo
Remember though, NI seems to have decided to push their hardware and less their software, as that is the intention of their new "free software with all hardware" marketing direction. They aren't trying to sell Traktor, but rather some piece of hardware with Traktor, so it would be more in line with this direction to not let mappers have mapping control of the Remix decks, but rather sort of force people who want the Remix deck functionality to just buy one or more F1s.

I am not saying this will happen and I certainly hope it doesn't, but NI could. And you bet I'll be the first one to cry "what a scam!" if they do.

scamo
I would be really disappointed if they do, but as you say it would be possible. If NI would take this approach I would probably start considering other software options for the future ... : /
Chasidy Heckenbach
17.04.2012
Originally Posted by scamo
Remember though, NI seems to have decided to push their hardware and less their software, as that is the intention of their new "free software with all hardware" marketing direction. They aren't trying to sell Traktor, but rather some piece of hardware with Traktor, so it would be more in line with this direction to not let mappers have mapping control of the Remix decks, but rather sort of force people who want the Remix deck functionality to just buy one or more F1s.
this is true... just have to wait and see what controls they allow to be midi mapped i guess. i really hope we can map it all to any controller but i do have my doubt's on the multi-color stuff for different samples etc. esp as different controllers can only use certain values to select certain colours.

also i'm pretty sure that the K2, due to it's odd midi implementation won't be very useful for mapping them to - due to the way it implements colours. i'm sure one of the cool features of the new remix decks will being able to map different samples to diff colours and don't see how that's going to work on a K2 due to one colour being fixed to one latching layer/midi channel.

the mf3d only has a limited range of midi values that can be used to select colours too ofc. will have to see i guess...
Stefani Addams
17.04.2012
Originally Posted by Quarent!ne
Is anyone else checking their email 20 times a day waiting for this thing to release??? C'mon DJTT!!! You're killing me here!!!
Yeah Im like you dude. So much for "shipping late march - early april" .... Damn marketing strategies, thought DJTT were different.
Rey Holubar
17.04.2012
Originally Posted by zestoi
there again NI would be dumb to not allow a midi controller to be mapped as effectively as the F1 as the remix decks will be a big selling point for traktor.
Remember though, NI seems to have decided to push their hardware and less their software, as that is the intention of their new "free software with all hardware" marketing direction. They aren't trying to sell Traktor, but rather some piece of hardware with Traktor, so it would be more in line with this direction to not let mappers have mapping control of the Remix decks, but rather sort of force people who want the Remix deck functionality to just buy one or more F1s.

I am not saying this will happen and I certainly hope it doesn't, but NI could. And you bet I'll be the first one to cry "what a scam!" if they do.

scamo
Jeramy Bajraktarevic
17.04.2012		Is anyone else checking their email 20 times a day waiting for this thing to release??? C'mon DJTT!!! You're killing me here!!!
Kandi Odom
13.04.2012		Maybe they can come out with the MF3D Pro!!!!!! Hahahahaha that will be asking too much!!!!! But ill buy one just for the fun of using it!!!
Chasidy Heckenbach
13.04.2012		we don't know what midi controls will be available yet for the remix decks in traktor 2.5 so if thats your main reason for buying a mf3d then probably best to hang on. there again NI would be dumb to not allow a midi controller to be mapped as effectively as the F1 as the remix decks will be a big selling point for traktor.

so - assuming we have the midi mapping controls available - it's only down to the number of buttons really. the mf3d doesn't have as many controls as the F1 - but should still be capable of a pretty decent remix decks mapping. personally i believe something like a launchpad+nanokontrol or apc20/40 would be better at just emulating a F1...
Kandi Odom
13.04.2012		Lorrrrrrddd what should we do then??? Wait for the f1 to come out or wait to see how will the 3d will work with 2.5!!!!!!
Chasidy Heckenbach
12.04.2012		should be possible to map minus the volume faders and filters. might take some creative mapping tho as the mf3d is missing 8 buttons on the top that the F1 has - but does have those buttons on the side too. probably won't be a 1-to-1 map of what the F1 will do - but should be possible to have a pretty decent remix decks mapping on the mf3d...
Stefani Addams
12.04.2012
Originally Posted by MrAybar
Do you guys know if the mapping for the MF3D is contemplating the new T2 Update, i mean i totally prefer a MF than the kontrol f1 but it seems that most of the features of the new sample decks would be almost exclusive to this new controller!!!!
This is what DJTechtools responded to me on a similar question I had ...

"Hi Mario,

We are definitely planning on making the MF 3D integrate with the new features of Traktor 2.5 on at least one mapping. We do believe that we'll be able to get the 3D to do most all the things the F1 does (and lots more) but its hard for me to say concretely at this point because I have not yet had a chance to see the new software and exactly what all has changed, especially in regards to midi mapping.

I hope this helps. Thanks for your support of DJ Techtools. We appreciate it.

Regards,

Chris Lim (flashflooder)"
Chasidy Heckenbach
11.04.2012		i'm not keen in the IG mapping either - tho it is fun to try out - i find it pretty limitted and a bit "all or nothing"

for me the main advantages of the mf3d are being able to have 4 banks of 4x4 buttons instead of sacrificing 4 of them for bank changing and also being able to colourise the "off colours" of each button so i can instantly see what is for what the same as i do with my launchpad. not convinced i'll want to use the accelerometer features - but u never know...

the armyofme effect that i believe u mean really needs mapping to a pot - then is pretty easy to implement on any controller - plus a button to "echo freeze" out of it. i guess u could apply that to the mf3d using the accelerometer but a pot seems a much more controlled way of doing it
Kandi Odom
11.04.2012		HAHAHAHAHAHHA yeah men i feel u with the mental stuff....... the thing is i love midi fighters and i would love to keep supporting DJTT but i don't wanna buy the MF3D just to have it i wanna really use it my MF classic its been taking dust since i am a bit tired of the IG Mapping and i just can get it to work with some new effects like the armeofme woosh etc.. so am hoping that they can give us an advance of what can we expect on this unit!!!!
Chasidy Heckenbach
11.04.2012		no one's seen any mappings in detail yet for the MF3D i guess? it might be possible to map remix decks with a lot of the same functionality of the F1 so long as u could use one of the extra row of buttons to act as a shift, as i doubt the buttons around the outside of the unit would be ideal for normal use - still handy tho.

mostly mental masturbation tho i guess as a) i don't know what notes are sent out by each button on the new mf3d and whether those four buttons are hardwired for use as bank switching or not and b) we don't know what midi NI has implemented to enable the remix deck stuff to be mapped to midi controllers

going to be fun when we find out tho
Kandi Odom
11.04.2012		Do you guys know if the mapping for the MF3D is contemplating the new T2 Update, i mean i totally prefer a MF than the kontrol f1 but it seems that most of the features of the new sample decks would be almost exclusive to this new controller!!!!
Lucie Jabari
04.04.2012		look one post up brotha.
Stefani Addams
03.04.2012		Its Already April is my MIDI 3D here yet? is it here yet? is it here yet?

Come on DJTT at least send the pre-order form email

=D

If you make me wait to long I might go for the F1 ..... :P
Adolf Hit
26.03.2012		Announcement should be within the next two weeks...
Arnetta Koskinas
24.03.2012		Why is this not out yet!? lol...I'm getting ancy...selling one of my tattoo machines to buy this.
Era Roka
08.03.2012		Played with my wii remote today, definetly gonna buy the 3D.
Maryellen Cancelli
08.03.2012		I didnt read every post but saw a lot of loose the usb and go wireless. But keep in mind that if you loose the usb you have to add power. Wieght and complications.. Me Ill just add a super long usb.
But I love it but at same time not sure It would last with me. Would love to be able to play with it. And its even harder choose for me, casue I just got my classic so I can upgrade for the difference. So I need to figure it out asap.
Valentin Doong
05.03.2012		Fuck the bullshit. This thing looks SICK! I can already believe of ways too use this. How can't you guys? There are now 4 preset buttons too make your own combinations of FX with. AND you can change the lighting display which is sooooooooooooo dope.

Also, moving it around is freakin cool man. This can add something that a lot of people don't have yet. Be creative with it.

I'm all for this piece of gear . Midi fighter 3D all the way
Rey Holubar
05.03.2012		Ok, the problem is now solved and we can go for the upgrade again. The community will be off-line around midevening Pacific time.

scamo
Adolf Hit
05.03.2012
can we expect a combination mapping of the Deckalized/Instant Gratification mappings?
At this stage the official DJTT mapping is a combination of both of these concepts!
Larraine Hannum
05.03.2012		Not gonna lie, the 3d is sexy. But I would probably never use the accelerometer features, so don't believe I'll be purchasing one. Still patiently waiting the F1 though.
Mariah Hegemann
02.03.2012
Originally Posted by michaeldunne109
Since im a nerd. I request that ye make a blog post on how the MidiFighter 3d was developed and how their constructed. Pretty please
That would be awesome! Seeing where the idea came from would be great as well.

To the guys at DJTT, can we expect a combination mapping of the Deckalized/Instant Gratification mappings? I love the IG layout but wish that you could have the cue points of the Deckalized, perhaps on two banks with two new MF3D mappings on the other pages.
Maryanne Weatherill
02.03.2012		Since im a nerd. I request that ye make a blog post on how the MidiFighter 3d was developed and how their constructed. Pretty please

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