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Dubstep BPM Question Posted on: 14.06.2012 by Jerica Salava I notice that dubstep tracks are sold and labeled as 140 BPM (for example). When I listen to them they sound like 70 BPM to me. The snare lands on the 2 and 4 beat right ??? Why are they labeled 140 BPM ? What does Traktor/Serato etc. usually analyze them at? That high 140 BPM sounds strange to me as the beat groove is slow like 70 BPM. Thanks. >
Maricruz Mouw 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by ksandvik House is between 125-130, not necessary 128 all the time. and dubstep can range between 135 (feed me does this) and 145 (skrillex does a couple tracks at 143)...still the concept is the same...most "house" is thought to be 128 and most "dubstep" is thought to be 140...but to humor you ill change what i said the same reason house is 125-130
Celine Surico 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by seitz same reason e-house is 128? House is between 125-130, not necessary 128 all the time.
Maricruz Mouw 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by ksandvik Now, why did dubstep get stuck in 70/140bpm? same reason e-house is 128?
Maricruz Mouw 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by Ed Paris false! it slows down from 280bpm to 200bpm! Originally Posted by seitz actually it goes from 8.75 bpm to 6.25 these two posts still have the most relevance to this discussion
Eileen Sailes 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by Deejaesnafu im sorry but this statement, and pretty much this whole conversation are arbitrary. the high hats or bass or any instrument are not "in 140". there are only divisions of time. a 32nd note high hat pattern at 70 bpm and a 16th note high hat pattern at 140 bpm sound exactly alike. so basically this whole argument is like asking "is the glass 1/2 full, or 4/8 full or 8/16 full ?" in the end the BPM is just a reference tool. and since you can halve or double anything to compensate , it just doesnt matter. Thank you. i chuckled when i saw that someone posted the snare on 2 and 4 for 70 is a lost art and clearly doesn't understand that 3 at 140 is 2 and 4.
Freida Leash 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by ToOntown I actually "x2 BPM" every track in my collection 8 times so that my effects sound really wacky and glitchy. So really my Dubstep tracks are set at 1120 BPM. I'm going to play with this, it never crossed my mind to try this.
Salvatore Husley 25.06.2012	Originally Posted by oliosky fuck off My thought exactly. But the I remembered that the Internet is littered with young kids and ignorant teens. So seriously just drop it.
Johnetta Olewine 25.06.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket when you guys actually start making music, you will learn about BPM's. fuck off
Nereida Jasnoch 19.06.2012	You are all wrong it slows down from 88 miles per hour to 393f90bcaccb62f6996970a0e03d4195.gif
Maricruz Mouw 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by ksandvik House is between 125-130, not necessary 128 all the time. and dubstep can range between 135 (feed me does this) and 145 (skrillex does a couple tracks at 143)...still the concept is the same...most "house" is thought to be 128 and most "dubstep" is thought to be 140...but to humor you ill change what i said the same reason house is 125-130
Celine Surico 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by seitz same reason e-house is 128? House is between 125-130, not necessary 128 all the time.
Maricruz Mouw 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by ksandvik Now, why did dubstep get stuck in 70/140bpm? same reason e-house is 128?
Celine Surico 27.06.2012	Now, why did dubstep get stuck in 70/140bpm?
Maricruz Mouw 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by Ed Paris false! it slows down from 280bpm to 200bpm! Originally Posted by seitz actually it goes from 8.75 bpm to 6.25 these two posts still have the most relevance to this discussion
Eileen Sailes 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by Deejaesnafu im sorry but this statement, and pretty much this whole conversation are arbitrary. the high hats or bass or any instrument are not "in 140". there are only divisions of time. a 32nd note high hat pattern at 70 bpm and a 16th note high hat pattern at 140 bpm sound exactly alike. so basically this whole argument is like asking "is the glass 1/2 full, or 4/8 full or 8/16 full ?" in the end the BPM is just a reference tool. and since you can halve or double anything to compensate , it just doesnt matter. Thank you. i chuckled when i saw that someone posted the snare on 2 and 4 for 70 is a lost art and clearly doesn't understand that 3 at 140 is 2 and 4.
Freida Leash 27.06.2012	Originally Posted by ToOntown I actually "x2 BPM" every track in my collection 8 times so that my effects sound really wacky and glitchy. So really my Dubstep tracks are set at 1120 BPM. I'm going to play with this, it never crossed my mind to try this.
Christel Croak 26.06.2012	I keep mine at 140. Why? For simplicity. I don't have many tracks around the 60-80 range that I'd be able to mix with if left the dubstep at 70, because at 60 it becomes a little too slow. Since most of my collection is at higher BPM's it's easy to bring the tempo down from 140 and still keep it up beat. Too much work to bring the tempo mid set from 70 to 130, as opposed from 140 to 130
Shonda Soulier 26.06.2012	I actually "x2 BPM" every track in my collection 8 times so that my effects sound really wacky and glitchy. So really my Dubstep tracks are set at 1120 BPM.
Salvatore Husley 25.06.2012	Not saying all kids and teens are ignorant. But yeah some of them are.
Salvatore Husley 25.06.2012	Originally Posted by oliosky fuck off My thought exactly. But the I remembered that the Internet is littered with young kids and ignorant teens. So seriously just drop it.
Johnetta Olewine 25.06.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket when you guys actually start making music, you will learn about BPM's. fuck off
Reda Holdsworth 25.06.2012	never mind that answers my question. thanks....
Salvatore Husley 25.06.2012	Depends how you beatgrid the song. If it's done for 140 then yes if its 70 then no. I'm confused by your question.
Reda Holdsworth 25.06.2012	So this is a legit question IMO. I don't spin dubstep, But you who do just sync everything at 140 BPM ?
Salvatore Husley 25.06.2012	Just drop it. This is the dumbest fight.
Mirta Follweiler 25.06.2012	I learned BPM's by just listening to music and knowing how to count.
Jerica Salava 25.06.2012	when you guys actually start making music, you will learn about BPM's.
Mirta Follweiler 25.06.2012	http://soundcloud.com/rauk/dubstep-tempo-140 http://soundcloud.com/rauk/dubstep-tempo-70 Same beat different tempo, demonstrates how the different bpms change the feel. After each bar the beat goes from 4x4 closer to 2-step halftime
Nereida Jasnoch 19.06.2012	You are all wrong it slows down from 88 miles per hour to 393f90bcaccb62f6996970a0e03d4195.gif
Maricruz Mouw 19.06.2012	actually it goes from 8.75 bpm to 6.25
Matt Kane 19.06.2012	Originally Posted by seitz false it slows down to 50 bpm false! it slows down from 280bpm to 200bpm!
Maricruz Mouw 19.06.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket CASE CLOSED: here is a dubstep track that starts at 140 BPM then "slows down" to a 100 BPM break at about 1:35 in: > false it slows down to 50 bpm
Freida Leash 19.06.2012	I generally run dubstep at 135ish, so I can mix house and breaks more easily, or eventually get to that point in the mix. The drums are locked into 70bpm, but the rest usually flows at 140. I count drum and bass half time, it is easier for me to deal with tempo wise and I feel the groove better. I don't need to brock out on amens at blistering speeds I need to find the groove, dubstep runs opposite on what I need to find my groove, and mix with other genre. I'm pretty sure a competent drummer would understand you mean half time to the rest of the orchestration.
Jerica Salava 18.06.2012	CASE CLOSED: here is a dubstep track that starts at 140 BPM then "slows down" to a 100 BPM break at about 1:35 in: >
Tesha Freudenstein 18.06.2012	Originally Posted by oliosky or is it really at 55bpm? Anyone remember that chopped and screwed fad? 110bpm "dubstep" is just an incarnation of breaks and funk if you ask me. nah i believe that came from moombahton. it somehow branched out in dubstep and electro house.
Jerica Salava 18.06.2012	I am not the only one that believes it's ridiculous to set a metronome to 140 BPM and use it as eighth notes. Oh well.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 18.06.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket ask a drummer. Jeff Porcaro would laugh at you if you asked him (R.I.P) to play dubstep at 140 BPM. I am just trying to get things correct here. There is correct and incorrect in life. Dubstep BPM is incorrect. You have everybody's permission to change your library to match, but what a dumb topic to go on this long... I met a producer that made hardcore at 800bpm, needless to say he was a tool making it harder on himself, but same debate and just as pointless...
Maricruz Mouw 17.06.2012	oh look this thread again
Jerica Salava 17.06.2012	ask a drummer. Jeff Porcaro would laugh at you if you asked him (R.I.P) to play dubstep at 140 BPM. I am just trying to get things correct here. There is correct and incorrect in life. Dubstep BPM is incorrect.
Johnetta Olewine 17.06.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket Here is further proof: DATSIK a "dubstep producer" talks about the New 110 BPM dubstep trend. Does that mean it's really 220 BPM ??? haha. Fast Forward to >> 3:45 for the comment: or is it really at 55bpm? Anyone remember that chopped and screwed fad? 110bpm "dubstep" is just an incarnation of breaks and funk if you ask me. Either way, who fucking cares for mixing purposes. Half time tunes work great in mixing up the groove of a set. Fucking technerds splitting hairs on whether half time BPM is for real and what BPM it should be labelled? Give me strength.

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