Calvin Harris
and Dillon Francis
worked there... no way!
| How do you guys feel about GIVING AWAY TRACKS? Do you guys care if other local underground DJs in the club scene get tracks from YOUR tracklists?
Do you give away tracks freely and don't care sharing even your most unique, favourite tracks? | Cole Maroto
08.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Patch
These 2 posts say it all. Anyone who doesn't agree with every word of these posts are EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THE SCENE. I'm certain that squidot and dj matt blaze will still be doing this in years to come - because they're doing it for all the right reasons. There are 2 things you need to be to be great DJ - humble, and hard working.
I salute you both.
yes sir, i've been off and on this ride for about 12 years now and i don't ever see myself letting go. i've been through the physical vinyl digging at our only electronic dj shop when it was still open 10+ years ago. i've spent countless hours flipping through records, cds, and tracks in the digital realm and have found so many treasures on my journey. i've gotten $30+ cd imports from the collection of forever unsold units in the 25 cent shelves at my local tower records when it was still open years ago. i could see people getting excited as they saw my stack of 100+ cds i was getting for a quarter each every single day, only for them to thumb through for a few minutes and ask me if i recognize any of this garbage. it's surprising how most people won't even take a chance on something they've never heard of considering it's almost free.
Originally Posted by Patch
There are 2 things you need to be to be great DJ - humble, and hard working.
being a musician and dj has given me a great respect for amazing artists who are humble and realize they still have a mountain of things to learn and will never be perfect. they are always striving for the unattainable and won't stop trying until they achieve it. i have a hard time listening to people who are blatantly full of themselves and their skill (i.e. deadmau5 and kanye west), when there are countless people who are better than them from a technical standpoint. humility is a quality i very much admire in people who create. | Darlene Strohbeck
08.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
There is 1 and only 1 reason a DJ wouldn't give out the name of a song or a track list and that is because that DJ is a snobby elitest who only cares about themself. This DJ doesn't care about the music, the artist, or the audience. One of the many highlights I have as a DJ is playing a song and having someone come up to me and ask me what that song is. This means I am doing my job right. I play to please my audience, so why wouldn't I tell them a song if they liked it?
This whole thing about listening and searching and digging for tracks is so much work is just nonsense. Some call it a passion, some may call it an obsession, and it can be hard and painstaking at times but its all done for the love of the music. If I put all this effort into finding a great track its because I wanted to do it, no one put a gun to my head and I already got the payoff, I found the track. SO why would I not want to share it if someone else liked it enough to ask me about it?
You're not lying either. I've seen your ENTIRE music library on your site :-P
I totally agree though. Hiding a track that you never created in the first place is like the guy that "discovers" a new bar and then brags about how he found it first. More annoying than anything else... | Darlene Strohbeck
08.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by chicomodo
I agree with every post, but I know a guy that listen to 5000 songs weekly and focus on playing only the newest hits and so on.
And lives just doing it, and yes, he is living listening and playing to other people's song. Isn't that a work?
Yeah, the producers did all the work by making the tracks, but when we come to "professional musician" (using this term broadly, DJ is more a performer then a musician) is someone who lives from the music, pay taxes from it and so on.
Then yes, he is living through listening and playing other people's song.
And I never said that I don't and I won't give any song names. I play with Traktor, and anyone could see the name of the song that I'm playing. I just stated my opinion , didn't judged anyone here. Didn't said that is a foolish act to tell the name of songs. Didn't said that was a stupid move.
Playing, mixing are the final part of the DJing process. I listen, choose, pay, download, categorize, rate, organize and set the beatgrid before I even believe of playing it. Playing it's the main part, obviously, but I doubt that someone here considers the time spent of searching music (even ASKING for music from others people) is throwing your time away. Organizing your library is a topic that always come back and forth on the DJTT blog.
Do not say that is "not a hard job to do". I often pass more than 2 hours on my library. It's not that joyful compared to mixing, but I have to do it. It's easier than producing music? Obviously. But is still a time well spent and will reward you in the future.
If you believe finding quality music is hard while using Traktor, just believe about how much harder it was with vinyl. With Traktor you can find music from the comfort of your own home and it costs a fraction of what it cost on vinyl. With vinyl you had to actually leave your home and burn away countless hours and dollars to get them.
As I've said to a lot of people on this community
, I believe you're being really superfluous when describing how much skill, talent, and work is takes to be a DJ...But to stay on point, there's a portion of an article I really like that sums up track selection perfectly:
COMPLIMENTS: One of the best things about DJing is when you play a really kickass song and people come up to you dancing, going "I love this song!" You get all proud and pretend you wrote it. You're like, "Thanks!" Yeah, I downloaded "Youth Gone Wild," I rule. It's like being told your air-guitar skills are fucking SICK.
And the source if you're interested in reading it: http://www.vice.com/read/hey-v11n5 | Cole Maroto
06.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by chicomodo
I agree with every post, but I know a guy that listen to 5000 songs weekly and focus on playing only the newest hits and so on.
And lives just doing it, and yes, he is living listening and playing to other people's song. Isn't that a work?
Yeah, the producers did all the work by making the tracks, but when we come to "professional musician" (using this term broadly, DJ is more a performer then a musician) is someone who lives from the music, pay taxes from it and so on.
Then yes, he is living through listening and playing other people's song.
we may be getting into a bit of semantics here, but i still don't consider listening to music as work. most people do it every day as a way to relax and unwind. now, trying to find good tracks can surely be time consuming. i do it often and have been for a long time and it's by far the easiest step in the process. if i don't like a track i skip it, if i love it i make it mine. simple. it takes no skill and is purely subjective. it's just my opinion on this step as both a dj and a lover of music.
you speak of a pro that listens to ~14 full days worth of music every week who makes money and pays taxes on his gigs...that he gets from playing other people's music. to me that's all the more reason to credit the artists creating the songs he's playing. you ask if i consider it work. yes, if you lump the entire process together and include his playing of gigs, practicing, etc. i would consider the prep time as work as well, but each person will have their own level of how meticulous their prepping is. some will do almost no prep work while others will go ocd on their keying, cataloging, gridding, notes, etc.
Originally Posted by chicomodo
And I never said that I don't and I won't give any song names. I play with Traktor, and anyone could see the name of the song that I'm playing. I just stated my opinion , didn't judged anyone here. Didn't said that is a foolish act to tell the name of songs. Didn't said that was a stupid move.
sure, and i never said that's what you do either but you did ask why someone should give away names of underground tracks they worked hard to find. i just gave my opinions on why they should and how i generally feel about the types of people who won't tell you a track when you ask.
Originally Posted by chicomodo
Playing, mixing are the final part of the DJing process. I listen, choose, pay, download, categorize, rate, organize and set the beatgrid before I even believe of playing it. Playing it's the main part, obviously, but I doubt that someone here considers the time spent of searching music (even ASKING for music from others people) is throwing your time away. Organizing your library is a topic that always come back and forth on the DJTT blog.
Do not say that is "not a hard job to do". I often pass more than 2 hours on my library. It's not that joyful compared to mixing, but I have to do it. It's easier than producing music? Obviously. But is still a time well spent and will reward you in the future.
i didn't say that organizing your library and prepping wasn't a hard job, but i will say that now. i don't believe it's hard as much as it is repetitive and time consuming. it's just the same thing over and over again into eternity, so that work should become very easy to you in a short period of time. as i touched on above, each person has their own idea of what they want from their workflow and they balance that with how much time they are willing to prep compared to play, then decide what works best for them. i do more prep work than a lot of people, and i've started to discover i was going overboard so now i cut some of that part out to get into the real meat of djing for me.
i also don't believe that anything anyone does as far as working on something they enjoy is throwing time away. in fact i would say that's the best possible thing you could do with your life and will be the most rewarding experience you can attain...which brings me back to the main point of this whole thread. when you can do something you love, such as djing, you should also be trying to openly share that love with as many people as possible. doing this will make those underground producers lives more rewarding as well, because without them there would be no such thing as djing. | Cole Maroto
06.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Patch
/thread
Best post, in any thread, on any community
, EVER.
wow i got a /thread from patch? that's awesome! i'm just glad there are other people that share the same passion on this topic.
one of the reasons i got into this hobby was to try and spread the word of skilled, lesser known artists as well as share the music i love. i've known some talented producers who were working at guitar center and video rental stores because music production wasn't making them enough to go full time. these people deserve some credit is all. if we choose to dig for and play these types of underground songs and keep them a secret, this is the type of person we are affecting negatively, when we should be trying to support them. it wouldn't really hurt deadmau5 if his track was not listed.
realistically is some lesser known dj not sharing track lists going to lose these artists money? most likely not, but every little bit can help in these situations. if i can get just 1 person to find a new track from an artist and start to support them, then that makes me incredibly happy. if that person happens to be a dj and they spread the word in one of their sets, even better. it can cause a snowball effect and everyone wins. these songs aren't made just for me to use and keep secret, they are songs made to share with everybody in the world who is interested. | Salvatore Husley
06.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by chicomodo
I agree with every post, but I know a guy that listen to 5000 songs weekly and focus on playing only the newest hits and so on.
And lives just doing it, and yes, he is living listening and playing to other people's song. Isn't that a work?
Yeah, the producers did all the work by making the tracks, but when we come to "professional musician" (using this term broadly, DJ is more a performer then a musician) is someone who lives from the music, pay taxes from it and so on.
Then yes, he is living through listening and playing other people's song.
And I never said that I don't and I won't give any song names. I play with Traktor, and anyone could see the name of the song that I'm playing. I just stated my opinion , didn't judged anyone here. Didn't said that is a foolish act to tell the name of songs. Didn't said that was a stupid move.
Playing, mixing are the final part of the DJing process. I listen, choose, pay, download, categorize, rate, organize and set the beatgrid before I even believe of playing it. Playing it's the main part, obviously, but I doubt that someone here considers the time spent of searching music (even ASKING for music from others people) is throwing your time away. Organizing your library is a topic that always come back and forth on the DJTT blog.
Do not say that is "not a hard job to do". I often pass more than 2 hours on my library. It's not that joyful compared to mixing, but I have to do it. It's easier than producing music? Obviously. But is still a time well spent and will reward you in the future.
Agreed. I have two sides of me. One saying why not and the other reminds me of the hours of digging spent finding good tracks. Either way I wouldn't look down on a person for asking but also would understand if someone didn't want to share the info. | Ara Tima
05.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by chicomodo
Guys you all have some excelent views and opinions and respect them all.
But to find that specific song, that rhythm and combination of bongo's and sax that nobody listened to and you always make a set that underground hit always tear the dancefloor apart.
Why you should give it so easily to someone else?
There is a lot of smartphone apps that do this trick, but why you should give the bigger part of your work to anyone?
Well.
Because, you didn't make it, put up the cash to release it or do anything other then play the music. If anything you should feel obliged to promote the track, its SOMEONE ELSE'S work. You've done jack shit compared to them and you've probably been paid for your performance that evening
, so it's the least you can do, especially seeing they probably won't see a cent from that "play" of the song.
I've never got this attitude. It's elitist and stupid even more so in a local DJ sense, I'm pretty sure in certain circumstances you'd be obliged by law, I've played big festivals before where I've had to submit a tracklist at the end of the set for the rights association of that country. | Cole Maroto
05.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by chicomodo
Guys you all have some excelent views and opinions and respect them all.
But to find that specific song, that rhythm and combination of bongo's and sax that nobody listened to and you always make a set that underground hit always tear the dancefloor apart.
Why you should give it so easily to someone else?
There is a lot of smartphone apps that do this trick, but why you should give the bigger part of your work to anyone?
i'm sorry but i guess i don't consider finding and listening to music as work. i've been doing it my whole life, long before i ever became a dj. when i read people's comments who don't want to share song names because of their hard work, and not wanting to get ripped off, I can't help but to believe they hold themselves in too high of a regard. not wanting to share that undermines the writers and producers, etc...the people who put in the real hard work for years to be able to make a good track. all you have to do is be on the computer for 30 mins and dig into the rabbit hole a little bit. i'm failing to see what's so hard about that. besides, most people are going to hate the underground track that you love, so why wouldn't you want to share it with people who actually care and have a love for that music too? plus, it's not only djs who are going to ask about tracks. are you really going to tell one of your few fans that you won't give them the name of a song because you worked so hard to find it? that seems like a pretty good way to lose a fan to me. | Celine Surico
05.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by chicomodo
Guys you all have some excelent views and opinions and respect them all.
But to find that specific song, that rhythm and combination of bongo's and sax that nobody listened to and you always make a set that underground hit always tear the dancefloor apart.
Why you should give it so easily to someone else?
There is a lot of smartphone apps that do this trick, but why you should give the bigger part of your work to anyone?
I doubt that many club goers would notice this, not even the most eager fans would recognize using sets and tracks others have used...
I believe this is a perfect example of where DJs believes one way and the audience something totally different. | Cole Maroto
08.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Patch
These 2 posts say it all. Anyone who doesn't agree with every word of these posts are EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THE SCENE. I'm certain that squidot and dj matt blaze will still be doing this in years to come - because they're doing it for all the right reasons. There are 2 things you need to be to be great DJ - humble, and hard working.
I salute you both.
yes sir, i've been off and on this ride for about 12 years now and i don't ever see myself letting go. i've been through the physical vinyl digging at our only electronic dj shop when it was still open 10+ years ago. i've spent countless hours flipping through records, cds, and tracks in the digital realm and have found so many treasures on my journey. i've gotten $30+ cd imports from the collection of forever unsold units in the 25 cent shelves at my local tower records when it was still open years ago. i could see people getting excited as they saw my stack of 100+ cds i was getting for a quarter each every single day, only for them to thumb through for a few minutes and ask me if i recognize any of this garbage. it's surprising how most people won't even take a chance on something they've never heard of considering it's almost free.
Originally Posted by Patch
There are 2 things you need to be to be great DJ - humble, and hard working.
being a musician and dj has given me a great respect for amazing artists who are humble and realize they still have a mountain of things to learn and will never be perfect. they are always striving for the unattainable and won't stop trying until they achieve it. i have a hard time listening to people who are blatantly full of themselves and their skill (i.e. deadmau5 and kanye west), when there are countless people who are better than them from a technical standpoint. humility is a quality i very much admire in people who create. | Cole Maroto
08.07.2012 |
COMPLIMENTS: One of the best things about DJing is when you play a really kickass song and people come up to you dancing, going "I love this song!" You get all proud and pretend you wrote it. You're like, "Thanks!" Yeah, I downloaded "Youth Gone Wild," I rule. It's like being told your air-guitar skills are fucking SICK.
don't go bashing my mad air guitar skills bro. i bought a real guitar so i could murder the air version...the tennis racket just wasn't cutting it any more. | Darlene Strohbeck
08.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
There is 1 and only 1 reason a DJ wouldn't give out the name of a song or a track list and that is because that DJ is a snobby elitest who only cares about themself. This DJ doesn't care about the music, the artist, or the audience. One of the many highlights I have as a DJ is playing a song and having someone come up to me and ask me what that song is. This means I am doing my job right. I play to please my audience, so why wouldn't I tell them a song if they liked it?
This whole thing about listening and searching and digging for tracks is so much work is just nonsense. Some call it a passion, some may call it an obsession, and it can be hard and painstaking at times but its all done for the love of the music. If I put all this effort into finding a great track its because I wanted to do it, no one put a gun to my head and I already got the payoff, I found the track. SO why would I not want to share it if someone else liked it enough to ask me about it?
You're not lying either. I've seen your ENTIRE music library on your site :-P
I totally agree though. Hiding a track that you never created in the first place is like the guy that "discovers" a new bar and then brags about how he found it first. More annoying than anything else... | Darlene Strohbeck
08.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by chicomodo
I agree with every post, but I know a guy that listen to 5000 songs weekly and focus on playing only the newest hits and so on.
And lives just doing it, and yes, he is living listening and playing to other people's song. Isn't that a work?
Yeah, the producers did all the work by making the tracks, but when we come to "professional musician" (using this term broadly, DJ is more a performer then a musician) is someone who lives from the music, pay taxes from it and so on.
Then yes, he is living through listening and playing other people's song.
And I never said that I don't and I won't give any song names. I play with Traktor, and anyone could see the name of the song that I'm playing. I just stated my opinion , didn't judged anyone here. Didn't said that is a foolish act to tell the name of songs. Didn't said that was a stupid move.
Playing, mixing are the final part of the DJing process. I listen, choose, pay, download, categorize, rate, organize and set the beatgrid before I even believe of playing it. Playing it's the main part, obviously, but I doubt that someone here considers the time spent of searching music (even ASKING for music from others people) is throwing your time away. Organizing your library is a topic that always come back and forth on the DJTT blog.
Do not say that is "not a hard job to do". I often pass more than 2 hours on my library. It's not that joyful compared to mixing, but I have to do it. It's easier than producing music? Obviously. But is still a time well spent and will reward you in the future.
If you believe finding quality music is hard while using Traktor, just believe about how much harder it was with vinyl. With Traktor you can find music from the comfort of your own home and it costs a fraction of what it cost on vinyl. With vinyl you had to actually leave your home and burn away countless hours and dollars to get them.
As I've said to a lot of people on this community
, I believe you're being really superfluous when describing how much skill, talent, and work is takes to be a DJ...But to stay on point, there's a portion of an article I really like that sums up track selection perfectly:
COMPLIMENTS: One of the best things about DJing is when you play a really kickass song and people come up to you dancing, going "I love this song!" You get all proud and pretend you wrote it. You're like, "Thanks!" Yeah, I downloaded "Youth Gone Wild," I rule. It's like being told your air-guitar skills are fucking SICK.
And the source if you're interested in reading it: http://www.vice.com/read/hey-v11n5 | Dione Haimes
08.07.2012 | Ive had people coming up to me and asking for the name of the tune and me just giving them the CD with it on it, whats 10p for a CD for a new fan? as long as you remember to re-burn it | Brunilda Kora
08.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by squidot
i'm sorry but i guess i don't consider finding and listening to music as work. i've been doing it my whole life, long before i ever became a dj. when i read people's comments who don't want to share song names because of their hard work, and not wanting to get ripped off, I can't help but to believe they hold themselves in too high of a regard. not wanting to share that undermines the writers and producers, etc...the people who put in the real hard work for years to be able to make a good track. all you have to do is be on the computer for 30 mins and dig into the rabbit hole a little bit. i'm failing to see what's so hard about that. besides, most people are going to hate the underground track that you love, so why wouldn't you want to share it with people who actually care and have a love for that music too? plus, it's not only djs who are going to ask about tracks. are you really going to tell one of your few fans that you won't give them the name of a song because you worked so hard to find it? that seems like a pretty good way to lose a fan to me.
Originally Posted by dj matt blaze
There is 1 and only 1 reason a DJ wouldn't give out the name of a song or a track list and that is because that DJ is a snobby elitest who only cares about themself. This DJ doesn't care about the music, the artist, or the audience. One of the many highlights I have as a DJ is playing a song and having someone come up to me and ask me what that song is. This means I am doing my job right. I play to please my audience, so why wouldn't I tell them a song if they liked it?
This whole thing about listening and searching and digging for tracks is so much work is just nonsense. Some call it a passion, some may call it an obsession, and it can be hard and painstaking at times but its all done for the love of the music. If I put all this effort into finding a great track its because I wanted to do it, no one put a gun to my head and I already got the payoff, I found the track. SO why would I not want to share it if someone else liked it enough to ask me about it?
These 2 posts say it all. Anyone who doesn't agree with every word of these posts are EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THE SCENE. I'm certain that squidot and dj matt blaze will still be doing this in years to come - because they're doing it for all the right reasons. There are 2 things you need to be to be great DJ - humble, and hard working.
I salute you both. | Roseanna Signorini
07.07.2012 | There is 1 and only 1 reason a DJ wouldn't give out the name of a song or a track list and that is because that DJ is a snobby elitest who only cares about themself. This DJ doesn't care about the music, the artist, or the audience. One of the many highlights I have as a DJ is playing a song and having someone come up to me and ask me what that song is. This means I am doing my job right. I play to please my audience, so why wouldn't I tell them a song if they liked it?
This whole thing about listening and searching and digging for tracks is so much work is just nonsense. Some call it a passion, some may call it an obsession, and it can be hard and painstaking at times but its all done for the love of the music. If I put all this effort into finding a great track its because I wanted to do it, no one put a gun to my head and I already got the payoff, I found the track. SO why would I not want to share it if someone else liked it enough to ask me about it? | Cole Maroto
06.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by chicomodo
I agree with every post, but I know a guy that listen to 5000 songs weekly and focus on playing only the newest hits and so on.
And lives just doing it, and yes, he is living listening and playing to other people's song. Isn't that a work?
Yeah, the producers did all the work by making the tracks, but when we come to "professional musician" (using this term broadly, DJ is more a performer then a musician) is someone who lives from the music, pay taxes from it and so on.
Then yes, he is living through listening and playing other people's song.
we may be getting into a bit of semantics here, but i still don't consider listening to music as work. most people do it every day as a way to relax and unwind. now, trying to find good tracks can surely be time consuming. i do it often and have been for a long time and it's by far the easiest step in the process. if i don't like a track i skip it, if i love it i make it mine. simple. it takes no skill and is purely subjective. it's just my opinion on this step as both a dj and a lover of music.
you speak of a pro that listens to ~14 full days worth of music every week who makes money and pays taxes on his gigs...that he gets from playing other people's music. to me that's all the more reason to credit the artists creating the songs he's playing. you ask if i consider it work. yes, if you lump the entire process together and include his playing of gigs, practicing, etc. i would consider the prep time as work as well, but each person will have their own level of how meticulous their prepping is. some will do almost no prep work while others will go ocd on their keying, cataloging, gridding, notes, etc.
Originally Posted by chicomodo
And I never said that I don't and I won't give any song names. I play with Traktor, and anyone could see the name of the song that I'm playing. I just stated my opinion , didn't judged anyone here. Didn't said that is a foolish act to tell the name of songs. Didn't said that was a stupid move.
sure, and i never said that's what you do either but you did ask why someone should give away names of underground tracks they worked hard to find. i just gave my opinions on why they should and how i generally feel about the types of people who won't tell you a track when you ask.
Originally Posted by chicomodo
Playing, mixing are the final part of the DJing process. I listen, choose, pay, download, categorize, rate, organize and set the beatgrid before I even believe of playing it. Playing it's the main part, obviously, but I doubt that someone here considers the time spent of searching music (even ASKING for music from others people) is throwing your time away. Organizing your library is a topic that always come back and forth on the DJTT blog.
Do not say that is "not a hard job to do". I often pass more than 2 hours on my library. It's not that joyful compared to mixing, but I have to do it. It's easier than producing music? Obviously. But is still a time well spent and will reward you in the future.
i didn't say that organizing your library and prepping wasn't a hard job, but i will say that now. i don't believe it's hard as much as it is repetitive and time consuming. it's just the same thing over and over again into eternity, so that work should become very easy to you in a short period of time. as i touched on above, each person has their own idea of what they want from their workflow and they balance that with how much time they are willing to prep compared to play, then decide what works best for them. i do more prep work than a lot of people, and i've started to discover i was going overboard so now i cut some of that part out to get into the real meat of djing for me.
i also don't believe that anything anyone does as far as working on something they enjoy is throwing time away. in fact i would say that's the best possible thing you could do with your life and will be the most rewarding experience you can attain...which brings me back to the main point of this whole thread. when you can do something you love, such as djing, you should also be trying to openly share that love with as many people as possible. doing this will make those underground producers lives more rewarding as well, because without them there would be no such thing as djing. | Cole Maroto
06.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Patch
/thread
Best post, in any thread, on any community
, EVER.
wow i got a /thread from patch? that's awesome! i'm just glad there are other people that share the same passion on this topic.
one of the reasons i got into this hobby was to try and spread the word of skilled, lesser known artists as well as share the music i love. i've known some talented producers who were working at guitar center and video rental stores because music production wasn't making them enough to go full time. these people deserve some credit is all. if we choose to dig for and play these types of underground songs and keep them a secret, this is the type of person we are affecting negatively, when we should be trying to support them. it wouldn't really hurt deadmau5 if his track was not listed.
realistically is some lesser known dj not sharing track lists going to lose these artists money? most likely not, but every little bit can help in these situations. if i can get just 1 person to find a new track from an artist and start to support them, then that makes me incredibly happy. if that person happens to be a dj and they spread the word in one of their sets, even better. it can cause a snowball effect and everyone wins. these songs aren't made just for me to use and keep secret, they are songs made to share with everybody in the world who is interested. | Salvatore Husley
06.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by chicomodo
I agree with every post, but I know a guy that listen to 5000 songs weekly and focus on playing only the newest hits and so on.
And lives just doing it, and yes, he is living listening and playing to other people's song. Isn't that a work?
Yeah, the producers did all the work by making the tracks, but when we come to "professional musician" (using this term broadly, DJ is more a performer then a musician) is someone who lives from the music, pay taxes from it and so on.
Then yes, he is living through listening and playing other people's song.
And I never said that I don't and I won't give any song names. I play with Traktor, and anyone could see the name of the song that I'm playing. I just stated my opinion , didn't judged anyone here. Didn't said that is a foolish act to tell the name of songs. Didn't said that was a stupid move.
Playing, mixing are the final part of the DJing process. I listen, choose, pay, download, categorize, rate, organize and set the beatgrid before I even believe of playing it. Playing it's the main part, obviously, but I doubt that someone here considers the time spent of searching music (even ASKING for music from others people) is throwing your time away. Organizing your library is a topic that always come back and forth on the DJTT blog.
Do not say that is "not a hard job to do". I often pass more than 2 hours on my library. It's not that joyful compared to mixing, but I have to do it. It's easier than producing music? Obviously. But is still a time well spent and will reward you in the future.
Agreed. I have two sides of me. One saying why not and the other reminds me of the hours of digging spent finding good tracks. Either way I wouldn't look down on a person for asking but also would understand if someone didn't want to share the info. | Daniell Kosharek
06.07.2012 | I agree with every post, but I know a guy that listen to 5000 songs weekly and focus on playing only the newest hits and so on.
And lives just doing it, and yes, he is living listening and playing to other people's song. Isn't that a work?
Yeah, the producers did all the work by making the tracks, but when we come to "professional musician" (using this term broadly, DJ is more a performer then a musician) is someone who lives from the music, pay taxes from it and so on.
Then yes, he is living through listening and playing other people's song.
And I never said that I don't and I won't give any song names. I play with Traktor, and anyone could see the name of the song that I'm playing. I just stated my opinion , didn't judged anyone here. Didn't said that is a foolish act to tell the name of songs. Didn't said that was a stupid move.
Playing, mixing are the final part of the DJing process. I listen, choose, pay, download, categorize, rate, organize and set the beatgrid before I even believe of playing it. Playing it's the main part, obviously, but I doubt that someone here considers the time spent of searching music (even ASKING for music from others people) is throwing your time away. Organizing your library is a topic that always come back and forth on the DJTT blog.
Do not say that is "not a hard job to do". I often pass more than 2 hours on my library. It's not that joyful compared to mixing, but I have to do it. It's easier than producing music? Obviously. But is still a time well spent and will reward you in the future. | Brunilda Kora
06.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by squidot
i'm sorry but i guess i don't consider finding and listening to music as work. i've been doing it my whole life, long before i ever became a dj. when i read people's comments who don't want to share song names because of their hard work, and not wanting to get ripped off, I can't help but to believe they hold themselves in too high of a regard. not wanting to share that undermines the writers and producers, etc...the people who put in the real hard work for years to be able to make a good track. all you have to do is be on the computer for 30 mins and dig into the rabbit hole a little bit. i'm failing to see what's so hard about that. besides, most people are going to hate the underground track that you love, so why wouldn't you want to share it with people who actually care and have a love for that music too? plus, it's not only djs who are going to ask about tracks. are you really going to tell one of your few fans that you won't give them the name of a song because you worked so hard to find it? that seems like a pretty good way to lose a fan to me.
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05.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by chicomodo
Guys you all have some excelent views and opinions and respect them all.
But to find that specific song, that rhythm and combination of bongo's and sax that nobody listened to and you always make a set that underground hit always tear the dancefloor apart.
Why you should give it so easily to someone else?
There is a lot of smartphone apps that do this trick, but why you should give the bigger part of your work to anyone?
Well.
Because, you didn't make it, put up the cash to release it or do anything other then play the music. If anything you should feel obliged to promote the track, its SOMEONE ELSE'S work. You've done jack shit compared to them and you've probably been paid for your performance that evening
, so it's the least you can do, especially seeing they probably won't see a cent from that "play" of the song.
I've never got this attitude. It's elitist and stupid even more so in a local DJ sense, I'm pretty sure in certain circumstances you'd be obliged by law, I've played big festivals before where I've had to submit a tracklist at the end of the set for the rights association of that country. | Cole Maroto
05.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by chicomodo
Guys you all have some excelent views and opinions and respect them all.
But to find that specific song, that rhythm and combination of bongo's and sax that nobody listened to and you always make a set that underground hit always tear the dancefloor apart.
Why you should give it so easily to someone else?
There is a lot of smartphone apps that do this trick, but why you should give the bigger part of your work to anyone?
i'm sorry but i guess i don't consider finding and listening to music as work. i've been doing it my whole life, long before i ever became a dj. when i read people's comments who don't want to share song names because of their hard work, and not wanting to get ripped off, I can't help but to believe they hold themselves in too high of a regard. not wanting to share that undermines the writers and producers, etc...the people who put in the real hard work for years to be able to make a good track. all you have to do is be on the computer for 30 mins and dig into the rabbit hole a little bit. i'm failing to see what's so hard about that. besides, most people are going to hate the underground track that you love, so why wouldn't you want to share it with people who actually care and have a love for that music too? plus, it's not only djs who are going to ask about tracks. are you really going to tell one of your few fans that you won't give them the name of a song because you worked so hard to find it? that seems like a pretty good way to lose a fan to me. | Cristian Carmona
05.07.2012 | http://serato.com/playlists/Dj_JesC & http://serato.com/playlists/Dj_JesC/7-31-11 i usually post my playlist, its not what you play, its how you play it. | Linda Chavda
05.07.2012 | Yes, because the track a producer made is your hard work | Celine Surico
05.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by chicomodo
Guys you all have some excelent views and opinions and respect them all.
But to find that specific song, that rhythm and combination of bongo's and sax that nobody listened to and you always make a set that underground hit always tear the dancefloor apart.
Why you should give it so easily to someone else?
There is a lot of smartphone apps that do this trick, but why you should give the bigger part of your work to anyone?
I doubt that many club goers would notice this, not even the most eager fans would recognize using sets and tracks others have used...
I believe this is a perfect example of where DJs believes one way and the audience something totally different. | Daniell Kosharek
05.07.2012 | Guys you all have some excelent views and opinions and respect them all.
But to find that specific song, that rhythm and combination of bongo's and sax that nobody listened to and you always make a set that underground hit always tear the dancefloor apart.
Why you should give it so easily to someone else?
There is a lot of smartphone apps that do this trick, but why you should give the bigger part of your work to anyone? | Julissa Serrone
05.07.2012 | Telling someone the name of a song?
I'd tell that freely to anyone --- it's simply just the name of a song. I'll go even further, I opened for a pretty popular guy where I live one evening
and the guy killed it....played some awesome personal edits. I was having a drink with him in the booth and mentioned his last track was great work, he took down my email and send me about 10 of his personal edits and said use them anytime man, and out of respect I'll only play them places that I know he doesn't play at. I just can't imagine why you would protect the name of an openly avaiable song. | Joetta Zhuk
05.07.2012 | I don't worry about people stealing/duplicating someones tracklist. If that DJ has no talent, it will come to show eventually.
As for sharing tracks in general, do it as much as possible. One of our jobs(but certainly not the most important one) as DJs is also to educate. | Darlene Strohbeck
04.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by MarioMHJV
I mean, lets say you give a local DJ a tracklist and he rips it off and calls it his own. Still A-OK?
Just a tracklist?
A tracklist isn't intellectual property...You can't "own" a tracklist. Besides, anyone that's well versed in the same genre might be able to figure it out without you "giving it" to them. Not to mention we have smartphone apps that can figure out the songs in a mix set. It's a futile attempt to protect something that a DJ doesn't own to begin with. | Gerard Cowin
04.07.2012 | I don't believe I would refuse to reveal my track list if someone asked as I myself am a producer and from a producer's perspective, I would very much like for others to share my work.
It is only through this common courtesy may we grow and expand our audience. To horde tracks without revealing the artist behind them, is selfish and only serves to feed the ego of the DJ. Sharing experience and knowledge, or in this case music, can only better all parties involved as we connect off of each other's discoveries, creating a larger pool of our own as we add songs and reduce as required. | Celine Surico
04.07.2012 | Just getting tracks played is a big victory in today's world of music -- don't exactly expect to make money from releases.
Speaking of which: http://soundcloud.com/quarkwaves | Maricruz Mouw
04.07.2012 | in the days before digital i can see giving away tracks being hurtful (due to the best djs having the newest tracks first because they were vinyl or what not)
but now that its all downloads...i dont see it hurting if someone has the same track you do | Cole Maroto
04.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by MarioMHJV
I mean, lets say you give a local DJ a tracklist and he rips it off and calls it his own. Still A-OK?
that's a really big stretch and no i don't believe it's a-ok but to me that is not a valid reason to not share track lists. i mean we may as well never mix or create anything if we went around with that attitude all the time. besides, that can happen even if you don't put up a list. another dj could easily download or rip your soundcloud mix and just put it up as their own and it would be no different. if they have the tracklist, got the songs, and then even mixed them in the same order...well, at least they still did some amount of work to recreate it. i don't agree with it in even the slightest bit, but i'm not gonna spend any time worrying about something that is very likely not going to occur. | Roseanna Signorini
04.07.2012 | Ripping off a tracklist and ripping off a mix are 2 different things. Just because you get the tracklist doesn't mean you are going to mix it the exact same way. Whats from stopping anyone from taking any DJ mix and calling it their own anyway? Its not surprising that elitist snobby DJ wouldn't want to share tracks or tracklists, its going right along with their view that everyting is about them. I would never have a problem sharing a track. | Freida Leash
04.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Patch
That's an unavoidable risk - some people are just dicks. You can't cover every possibility.
How often do you play the same set that you put on a mix tape anyways? By the time I finish a mix tape, my library has already expanded, he will still be months behind. But that would be a dick move, especially to drop them all in the same order. | Freida Leash
04.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Hoodless
Most of the tracks i play in vinyl sets are white labels never been released, some i dont even know the name of, or never been made into an mp3
When I see a track listing that has Dubplate and White Label all over it, I'm pretty keen on giving the set a listen, especially if the artist is listed. | Golden Faubert
04.07.2012 | if another dj wants the tracks that i'm playing i take it as a compliment, tell them what it is and every now and then the favour is repaid... all's fair in love and war 'n all that | Brunilda Kora
05.07.2012 | That's an unavoidable risk - some people are just dicks. You can't cover every possibility. | Luke Loughin
05.07.2012 | I mean, lets say you give a local DJ a tracklist and he rips it off and calls it his own. Still A-OK? |
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