Lol tip for anyone buying a macbook... So I'm ordering my macbook, at $1,600. And then they throw on tax putting me at something like $1,750, I say to hell with that...
I search their site to see if they give discounts for students, I'm going to be a senior this coming year. And they totally do, you just gotta click ANY highschool from a list. And that's it.
And that ended up putting my macbook back down to about.. $1,560 after tax.
No confirmation, no "proof of enrollment", just boom, done.
Does anyone else find this odd haha? Great loophole though, works even if you're not in school. |
Noriko Lebowitz
13.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by botstein
I would speak as sort of an opposite to this - I've never been behind bars, but I got in to way to much trouble - often for breaking laws I thought were little and dumb - before I became more cautious. I would like to encourage everybody to at least be careful and not make assumptions one way or the other. Where Apple gives you the discount just for being a student or teacher, it's worth asking other companies, like Native Instruments, for example, what strings come with their educational discounts. They told me this:
"
To me, being unable to sell a piece of gear is a big deal, being restricted to one computer is a bigger deal, and being 'not allowed for commercial use' is simply a deal-breaker. It's also important to remember that NI is a Gesellschaft mit beschr |
Ervin Calvery
13.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Louie_V
I can see how some people can post on line about how wrong it is or how its fraud (probly the same group that have never broken any law no matter how little or dumb it may be IE: Jaywalking)
I would speak as sort of an opposite to this - I've never been behind bars, but I got in to way to much trouble - often for breaking laws I thought were little and dumb - before I became more cautious. I would like to encourage everybody to at least be careful and not make assumptions one way or the other. Where Apple gives you the discount just for being a student or teacher, it's worth asking other companies, like Native Instruments, for example, what strings come with their educational discounts. They told me this:
"Please note that educational versions have the following three limitations, they |
Danae Dumler
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
striking that point with the fury of an accountant
hahaha I never thought of accountants as particularly furious before reading this. I still don't, but I believe I might have to steal this line anyway.
Yes, steal... just doing my part to push us a little closer to anarchy.... |
Darlene Strohbeck
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
It seemed like you were trying to rationalize it, and I was striking that point with the fury of an accountant. As an analysis, you're fairly correct, you just have to make the distinction between something being "not enforced or widely accepted" and "ethically and legally right."
Absolutely.
I try to be as lawful as I possibly can, but I'd be lying if I didn't say the severity of the crime and likelihood of getting caught wasn't always in consideration.
This community
successfully freaked me from the idea of buying speakers across the border, and that sucks because I was sold on the idea before coming on here. |
Nancey Inderlied
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
You contradicted yourself in this response.
The "country" has everything to do with it and how diligently they enforce their laws...You even provided the example of "Greece".
I'm not talking about whether or not the aforementioned things are illegal, just that a countries tendency to "enforce" laws usually dictates whether its citizens will try to break them...Or possibly that American citizens are more likely to avoid breaking any laws because they've seen some people receive stiff penalties for various things that citizens in other countries are more relaxed about. Your example of tax fraud and evasion in Greece was a perfect example the point I was trying to make.
It seemed like you were trying to rationalize it, and I was striking that point with the fury of an accountant. As an analysis, you're fairly correct, you just have to make the distinction between something being "not enforced or widely accepted" and "ethically and legally right." |
Darlene Strohbeck
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
What does being American have to do with it? Just because a given country actually enforces laws that are in place for a reason doesnt have anything to do with the legality of the action. Misrepresentation of identity with intent to profit is fraud, plain and simple, if you get caught, you can be charged with fraud. Casually "cheating a system to save some money" is disgusting, and is exactly the kind of attitude that can slip a society into complete deregulation.
If you want to see the results of everyone casually "cheating the system to save money," look at Greece's complete financial meltdown. Tax fraud and evasion is commonplace, and the Greeks didnt seem to see the big deal with it. Now they're completely insolvent, and royally fucking the EU. The attitude that something that isn't enforced isn't illegal is a systemic failure.
You contradicted yourself in this response.
The "country" has everything to do with it and how diligently they enforce their laws...You even provided the example of "Greece".
I'm not talking about whether or not the aforementioned things are illegal, just that a countries tendency to "enforce" laws usually dictates whether its citizens will try to break them...Or possibly that American citizens are more likely to avoid breaking any laws because they've seen some people receive stiff penalties for various things that citizens in other countries are more relaxed about. Your example of tax fraud and evasion in Greece was a perfect example the point I was trying to make. |
Nancey Inderlied
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
I totally agree.
Everyone here has broken some law. Especially on these community
s, I see so many links to mix sets and I don't believe anyone has paid for licensing on those songs.
Are all the people talking about "fraud" American? I would never believe that has anything to do with it, but I noticed when I posted my cross-border shopping thread, all the Americans on here were up in arms about how wrong it is and how much trouble you can get in. However when I asked all my Canadian friends they were all telling me about how easy it is and how they always do it. It also reminds me of how much harder it is to get into the US whether you're travelling by car or plane, and the fact that numerous people in the US have been taken to court for hundreds of thousands of dollars over the few MP3's they downloaded.
What does being American have to do with it? Just because a given country actually enforces laws that are in place for a reason doesnt have anything to do with the legality of the action. Misrepresentation of identity with intent to profit is fraud, plain and simple, if you get caught, you can be charged with fraud. Casually "cheating a system to save some money" is disgusting, and is exactly the kind of attitude that can slip a society into complete deregulation.
If you want to see the results of everyone casually "cheating the system to save money," look at Greece's complete financial meltdown. Tax fraud and evasion is commonplace, and the Greeks didnt seem to see the big deal with it. Now they're completely insolvent, and royally fucking the EU. The attitude that something that isn't enforced isn't illegal is a systemic failure. |
Darlene Strohbeck
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by ToOntown
Who wouldn't want to save $90? I believe we all cheat some system one way or another in our lifetime.
I totally agree.
Everyone here has broken some law. Especially on these community
s, I see so many links to mix sets and I don't believe anyone has paid for licensing on those songs.
Are all the people talking about "fraud" American? I would never believe that has anything to do with it, but I noticed when I posted my cross-border shopping thread, all the Americans on here were up in arms about how wrong it is and how much trouble you can get in. However when I asked all my Canadian friends they were all telling me about how easy it is and how they always do it. It also reminds me of how much harder it is to get into the US whether you're travelling by car or plane, and the fact that numerous people in the US have been taken to court for hundreds of thousands of dollars over the few MP3's they downloaded. |
Ervin Calvery
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by DJKyleHughes
Wow Sam, I never pictured you as a "Trouble maker" haha
When I was your age, man... |
Noriko Lebowitz
13.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by botstein
I would speak as sort of an opposite to this - I've never been behind bars, but I got in to way to much trouble - often for breaking laws I thought were little and dumb - before I became more cautious. I would like to encourage everybody to at least be careful and not make assumptions one way or the other. Where Apple gives you the discount just for being a student or teacher, it's worth asking other companies, like Native Instruments, for example, what strings come with their educational discounts. They told me this:
"
To me, being unable to sell a piece of gear is a big deal, being restricted to one computer is a bigger deal, and being 'not allowed for commercial use' is simply a deal-breaker. It's also important to remember that NI is a Gesellschaft mit beschr |
Ervin Calvery
13.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Louie_V
I can see how some people can post on line about how wrong it is or how its fraud (probly the same group that have never broken any law no matter how little or dumb it may be IE: Jaywalking)
I would speak as sort of an opposite to this - I've never been behind bars, but I got in to way to much trouble - often for breaking laws I thought were little and dumb - before I became more cautious. I would like to encourage everybody to at least be careful and not make assumptions one way or the other. Where Apple gives you the discount just for being a student or teacher, it's worth asking other companies, like Native Instruments, for example, what strings come with their educational discounts. They told me this:
"Please note that educational versions have the following three limitations, they |
Danae Dumler
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
striking that point with the fury of an accountant
hahaha I never thought of accountants as particularly furious before reading this. I still don't, but I believe I might have to steal this line anyway.
Yes, steal... just doing my part to push us a little closer to anarchy.... |
Darlene Strohbeck
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
It seemed like you were trying to rationalize it, and I was striking that point with the fury of an accountant. As an analysis, you're fairly correct, you just have to make the distinction between something being "not enforced or widely accepted" and "ethically and legally right."
Absolutely.
I try to be as lawful as I possibly can, but I'd be lying if I didn't say the severity of the crime and likelihood of getting caught wasn't always in consideration.
This community
successfully freaked me from the idea of buying speakers across the border, and that sucks because I was sold on the idea before coming on here. |
Nancey Inderlied
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
You contradicted yourself in this response.
The "country" has everything to do with it and how diligently they enforce their laws...You even provided the example of "Greece".
I'm not talking about whether or not the aforementioned things are illegal, just that a countries tendency to "enforce" laws usually dictates whether its citizens will try to break them...Or possibly that American citizens are more likely to avoid breaking any laws because they've seen some people receive stiff penalties for various things that citizens in other countries are more relaxed about. Your example of tax fraud and evasion in Greece was a perfect example the point I was trying to make.
It seemed like you were trying to rationalize it, and I was striking that point with the fury of an accountant. As an analysis, you're fairly correct, you just have to make the distinction between something being "not enforced or widely accepted" and "ethically and legally right." |
Darlene Strohbeck
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
What does being American have to do with it? Just because a given country actually enforces laws that are in place for a reason doesnt have anything to do with the legality of the action. Misrepresentation of identity with intent to profit is fraud, plain and simple, if you get caught, you can be charged with fraud. Casually "cheating a system to save some money" is disgusting, and is exactly the kind of attitude that can slip a society into complete deregulation.
If you want to see the results of everyone casually "cheating the system to save money," look at Greece's complete financial meltdown. Tax fraud and evasion is commonplace, and the Greeks didnt seem to see the big deal with it. Now they're completely insolvent, and royally fucking the EU. The attitude that something that isn't enforced isn't illegal is a systemic failure.
You contradicted yourself in this response.
The "country" has everything to do with it and how diligently they enforce their laws...You even provided the example of "Greece".
I'm not talking about whether or not the aforementioned things are illegal, just that a countries tendency to "enforce" laws usually dictates whether its citizens will try to break them...Or possibly that American citizens are more likely to avoid breaking any laws because they've seen some people receive stiff penalties for various things that citizens in other countries are more relaxed about. Your example of tax fraud and evasion in Greece was a perfect example the point I was trying to make. |
Nancey Inderlied
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
I totally agree.
Everyone here has broken some law. Especially on these community
s, I see so many links to mix sets and I don't believe anyone has paid for licensing on those songs.
Are all the people talking about "fraud" American? I would never believe that has anything to do with it, but I noticed when I posted my cross-border shopping thread, all the Americans on here were up in arms about how wrong it is and how much trouble you can get in. However when I asked all my Canadian friends they were all telling me about how easy it is and how they always do it. It also reminds me of how much harder it is to get into the US whether you're travelling by car or plane, and the fact that numerous people in the US have been taken to court for hundreds of thousands of dollars over the few MP3's they downloaded.
What does being American have to do with it? Just because a given country actually enforces laws that are in place for a reason doesnt have anything to do with the legality of the action. Misrepresentation of identity with intent to profit is fraud, plain and simple, if you get caught, you can be charged with fraud. Casually "cheating a system to save some money" is disgusting, and is exactly the kind of attitude that can slip a society into complete deregulation.
If you want to see the results of everyone casually "cheating the system to save money," look at Greece's complete financial meltdown. Tax fraud and evasion is commonplace, and the Greeks didnt seem to see the big deal with it. Now they're completely insolvent, and royally fucking the EU. The attitude that something that isn't enforced isn't illegal is a systemic failure. |
Darlene Strohbeck
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by ToOntown
Who wouldn't want to save $90? I believe we all cheat some system one way or another in our lifetime.
I totally agree.
Everyone here has broken some law. Especially on these community
s, I see so many links to mix sets and I don't believe anyone has paid for licensing on those songs.
Are all the people talking about "fraud" American? I would never believe that has anything to do with it, but I noticed when I posted my cross-border shopping thread, all the Americans on here were up in arms about how wrong it is and how much trouble you can get in. However when I asked all my Canadian friends they were all telling me about how easy it is and how they always do it. It also reminds me of how much harder it is to get into the US whether you're travelling by car or plane, and the fact that numerous people in the US have been taken to court for hundreds of thousands of dollars over the few MP3's they downloaded. |
Ervin Calvery
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by DJKyleHughes
Wow Sam, I never pictured you as a "Trouble maker" haha
When I was your age, man... |
Shonda Soulier
12.07.2012 | Who wouldn't want to save $90? I believe we all cheat some system one way or another in our lifetime. |
Shantae Faile
13.07.2012 | There is a big difference between stating something to legally cover your ass, and actually enforcing it. I have de-registered and sold an edu native piece with the help of a native instruments employee.
As for the apple thing, have i gotten a macbook with the edu discount? Yep, and i was actually in school but did not have to show any proof. Have i purchased other gear
with an edu discount? yep, and again didnt have to show proof. The reason i wasn't asked for proof was because they really didn't care, it wasn't enforced and the retailer didn't enforce it because the manufacturer dosen't enforce it. Hell, there are some retailers that buy a lot of products at an EDU discount and re-sell them as a full retail version. Some manufactures actually use that as an incentive for larger orders.
The EDU just acts as a "backdoor" discount that enables you to offer some a discount without being obligated to offer all a discount. |
Noriko Lebowitz
13.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by botstein
I would speak as sort of an opposite to this - I've never been behind bars, but I got in to way to much trouble - often for breaking laws I thought were little and dumb - before I became more cautious. I would like to encourage everybody to at least be careful and not make assumptions one way or the other. Where Apple gives you the discount just for being a student or teacher, it's worth asking other companies, like Native Instruments, for example, what strings come with their educational discounts. They told me this:
"
To me, being unable to sell a piece of gear is a big deal, being restricted to one computer is a bigger deal, and being 'not allowed for commercial use' is simply a deal-breaker. It's also important to remember that NI is a Gesellschaft mit beschr |
Ervin Calvery
13.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Louie_V
I can see how some people can post on line about how wrong it is or how its fraud (probly the same group that have never broken any law no matter how little or dumb it may be IE: Jaywalking)
I would speak as sort of an opposite to this - I've never been behind bars, but I got in to way to much trouble - often for breaking laws I thought were little and dumb - before I became more cautious. I would like to encourage everybody to at least be careful and not make assumptions one way or the other. Where Apple gives you the discount just for being a student or teacher, it's worth asking other companies, like Native Instruments, for example, what strings come with their educational discounts. They told me this:
"Please note that educational versions have the following three limitations, they |
Shantae Faile
12.07.2012 | I can see how some people can post on line about how wrong it is or how its fraud (probly the same group that have never broken any law no matter how little or dumb it may be IE: Jaywalking)
Realistically if it was fraud then apple would enforce it. They use it as a tactic to get the sale if need be. As someone who works at a dj store that advertises "B-stock, open box, warehouse resealed, etc." and actually ships a brand new unit just uses that as a way to get a product to a customer at a better price I'VE NEVER had anyone call me and say they were supposed to get a open item and got a new one. The practice has been around forever, you can literally charge any insane amount for any product and get some people to buy it, however, you also want a legitimate way to lower the price for people that are better informed on value. |
Tesha Freudenstein
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by MiL0
apple student discounts: brings the price down to what it should be!
not even close imo |
Cole Maroto
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Jester.NZ
Personally i believe the fraud is the price on those things *ducks*
i agree and that's why i only bought 1 and now have an hp since my mac died. i got comparable hardware for much, much, less. |
Latoria Kavulich
12.07.2012 | Personally i believe the fraud is the price on those things *ducks* |
Joesph Kasian
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Sn0wday
Christ you guys. How could any of you feel the slightest bit of guilt by getting a couple hundred off your already overpriced macbook, run by a company who has them made by 14 y/o children in china for a few cents an hour...
Seriously 1,700 for a laptop that is worth half that with its specs? And only paying for the brand and the overall way it runs? It's s rip off, and the people running it are in the top 1% of wealth.
Get your priorities straight.
I totally agree - everyone moaning about how it's wrong to do that, give me a break.
And yes Ksandvik above me...I was having a great day until I saw your 525th pointless post on this site |
Celine Surico
12.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Sn0wday
Christ you guys. How could any of you feel the slightest bit of guilt by getting a couple hundred off your already overpriced macbook, run by a company who has them made by 14 y/o children in china for a few cents an hour...
Seriously 1,700 for a laptop that is worth half that with its specs? And only paying for the brand and the overall way it runs? It's s rip off, and the people running it are in the top 1% of wealth.
Get your priorities straight.
Did you have a bad day today? |
Madelene Witek
12.07.2012 | Christ you guys. How could any of you feel the slightest bit of guilt by getting a couple hundred off your already overpriced macbook, run by a company who has them made by 14 y/o children in china for a few cents an hour...
Seriously 1,700 for a laptop that is worth half that with its specs? And only paying for the brand and the overall way it runs? It's s rip off, and the people running it are in the top 1% of wealth.
Get your priorities straight. |
Arcelia Siebeneck
11.07.2012 | apple student discounts: brings the price down to what it should be! |
Celestine Porebski
11.07.2012 | Yeah, the normal EDU discount is not all that much - but for the crowd enrolled at or employed by a university/college: check if your institution participates in the Apple-on-Campus-program. It's a better discount (15% if I remember correctly - but don't trust my memory too much ) than the normal educational one. |
Viviana Tarno
11.07.2012 | I saved 10% on my MBAir with this student discount. Bought mine online, I actually had to log in with my student username and password via another student webshop. |
Danae Dumler
10.07.2012 | These are the terms quoted from the Apple Store; I'm not sure if Dubspot classes or whatever would qualify if they don't have the school listed on their website:
"Apple offers special education pricing on Apple computers, software and select third party products to college students, parents buying for a college student, or teachers, homeschool teachers, administrators and staff of all grade levels. Students who have been accepted to college are also eligible."
Savings is only up to $100 per computer (and $50 for other gadgets); enough to buy a printer but not a whole lot else. It's a good program, in my opinion, and well worth the cost to Apple even of subsidizing the number of scofflaws who no doubt take advantage of it. I believe it's one reason Apple is still around today; when they were getting hammered in the 1990s the "education market," alongside graphics and video workshops, were considered one of the last places you could find Macs. |
Audrey Pinda
10.07.2012 | I was able to use that as well. Taking evening
classes to finish my degree when I bought my computer early last year, and just had to show them my school ID at the Apple store. I was expecting them to want me to bring something more in, but they didn't.
Saved a fair bit of money honestly, used it to buy a printer. :P |
Quiana Sedey
10.07.2012 | see, an online school, even the free MIT classes, or an ableton school would qualify for this by their terms as well. |
Sydney Lashway
10.07.2012 | I noticed it too. the $200 some odd was difference between a Mac Book and Mac Book Pro. I was in my last month of College at the time so I didn't feel too guilty about lol. |
Cole Maroto
10.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by djproben
The guy is a student. He meets the qualifications for the discount. I don't see any evidence of fraud. Apple is quite liberal with their educational discount; as long as you attend or work (in any capacity) for an educational institution you qualify. Certainly being a student is at the core of what's covered by the discount.
they do seem to be super liberal with it. when i bought my macbook many years ago the girl who rung me up looked and me and asked are you in school or taking ANY classes at all? she gave me a nod and expression to just answer yes to the question, showing that they don't really check and she was just trying to save me money. i did and got almost $200 off, and all was good. she was a cool girl in my book. |
Danae Dumler
10.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by ksandvik
Yes, that was nasty, especially boasting about it.
The guy is a student. He meets the qualifications for the discount. I don't see any evidence of fraud. Apple is quite liberal with their educational discount; as long as you attend or work (in any capacity) for an educational institution you qualify. Certainly being a student is at the core of what's covered by the discount. |
Celine Surico
10.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
It's also outright fraud, and might even be considered misrepresentation of identity, too.
Yes, that was nasty, especially boasting about it. |
Danae Dumler
10.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
It's also outright fraud, and might even be considered misrepresentation of identity, too.
yeah not worth it for a $90 discount, but if you're going to be a senior, you qualify, so don't sweat it. Also if you work for a university or college or do any business for one for which the macbook might come in handy. And you can also get these prices from any college or university bookstore that carries the apple products. |
