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Traktor vs VirtualDJ Posted on: 19.08.2012 by Royal Acoba Which software is great for DJing; VirtualDJ or Traktor and Why ? Best Regards
Leeanna Ayla 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c fuck I hate when people say "workflow" Originally Posted by synthet1c The worklow of traktor was messing with my chi Except for when you use it or was this sarcasm? Hard to tell. Originally Posted by synthet1c A "workflow" is a linear procedure of actions. If you have a linear procedure for mixing music you should loosen up because something that sounds good for one mix wont necessarily sound good for another. Originally Posted by American Heritage Dictionary work
Leeanna Ayla 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c fuck I hate when people say "workflow" Originally Posted by synthet1c The worklow of traktor was messing with my chi Except for when you use it or was this sarcasm? Hard to tell. Originally Posted by synthet1c A "workflow" is a linear procedure of actions. If you have a linear procedure for mixing music you should loosen up because something that sounds good for one mix wont necessarily sound good for another. Originally Posted by American Heritage Dictionary work
Leeanna Ayla 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c fuck I hate when people say "workflow" Originally Posted by synthet1c The worklow of traktor was messing with my chi Except for when you use it or was this sarcasm? Hard to tell. Originally Posted by synthet1c A "workflow" is a linear procedure of actions. If you have a linear procedure for mixing music you should loosen up because something that sounds good for one mix wont necessarily sound good for another. Originally Posted by American Heritage Dictionary work
Leeanna Ayla 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c fuck I hate when people say "workflow" Originally Posted by synthet1c The worklow of traktor was messing with my chi Except for when you use it or was this sarcasm? Hard to tell. Originally Posted by synthet1c A "workflow" is a linear procedure of actions. If you have a linear procedure for mixing music you should loosen up because something that sounds good for one mix wont necessarily sound good for another. Originally Posted by American Heritage Dictionary work
Leeanna Ayla 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c fuck I hate when people say "workflow" Originally Posted by synthet1c The worklow of traktor was messing with my chi Except for when you use it or was this sarcasm? Hard to tell. Originally Posted by synthet1c A "workflow" is a linear procedure of actions. If you have a linear procedure for mixing music you should loosen up because something that sounds good for one mix wont necessarily sound good for another. Originally Posted by American Heritage Dictionary work
Leeanna Ayla 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c fuck I hate when people say "workflow" Originally Posted by synthet1c The worklow of traktor was messing with my chi Except for when you use it or was this sarcasm? Hard to tell. Originally Posted by synthet1c A "workflow" is a linear procedure of actions. If you have a linear procedure for mixing music you should loosen up because something that sounds good for one mix wont necessarily sound good for another. Originally Posted by American Heritage Dictionary work
Leeanna Ayla 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c fuck I hate when people say "workflow" Originally Posted by synthet1c The worklow of traktor was messing with my chi Except for when you use it or was this sarcasm? Hard to tell. Originally Posted by synthet1c A "workflow" is a linear procedure of actions. If you have a linear procedure for mixing music you should loosen up because something that sounds good for one mix wont necessarily sound good for another. Originally Posted by American Heritage Dictionary work
Leeanna Ayla 22.08.2012	We need all the variety we can get around here. I know you've switched a few people over to VDJ here so it's not a lost message. Keep on keepin on. Originally Posted by synthet1c It's the same as people saying "syncing gives me more time to do more important things" I shudder whenever I read it. Totally agree with you on that.
Leeanna Ayla 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c fuck I hate when people say "workflow" Originally Posted by synthet1c The worklow of traktor was messing with my chi Except for when you use it or was this sarcasm? Hard to tell. Originally Posted by synthet1c A "workflow" is a linear procedure of actions. If you have a linear procedure for mixing music you should loosen up because something that sounds good for one mix wont necessarily sound good for another. Originally Posted by American Heritage Dictionary work
Eva Scuderi 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by ToOntown synthet1c, you definitely know your shit when it comes to VDJ...but have you used Traktor as extensively to give it fair comparison? I have 3-4 years under my belt with both and I'm only now considering going back to VDJ, mostly because of you and the buzz surrounding VDJ8. But from 2008 to now I hadn't thought twice of making the switch back. VDJ took a back seat for me and it's fair to say that I wasn't alone. People don't value the VDJ platform quite the same way that you do. You're a self-proclaimed Fanboy for christ's sake! You're so impartial! That's ok, but customization and flexibility are not ok for beginners. New DJs want effects, but they don't want to go digging for custom effects let alone BUY them after they've just bought the software. Traktor comes with a better variety of effects and in my opinion, they chain much more easily than in VDJ. For any new user that doesn't want to use DVS, I tell them to get an S2 with Traktor Pro. And in every case where people have told me that they started out with a Mixtrack Pro and VDJ, they thank me for telling them to check out Traktor. Maybe things look a little different on the Atomix community s, but I've never met anybody who started out with VDJ, switched to Traktor, then went back to VDJ. I started with Traktor, then Itch. I have changed to VDJ for sometimes without considering to switch back. I won't say it's the best software, but it's the most suitable one for me Anyway, I also agree with you that the customization, especially the scripting in mapping, is not for most DJ. I don't believe many DJs will be able to make advanced mapping in VDJ without spending sometimes studying about how to write those scripts. It would be even worse for beginners. They absolutely want to learn about DJing instead of coding Btw, I studied in IT department, so scripting is also fun for me.
Freida Leash 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c The trial is crap, you need Pro to unlock all the good stuff This is probably why I didn't mess with it for more than 45 minutes before deciding Traktor. VDJ was working poorly out of the box with a controller they claimed support as the pro version was needed. Traktor took me a little more digging to finding a mapping I liked, but the trail just wasn't working properly at all with anything to make a choice with VDJ. The demo was the full version, with a time limit, an afternoon with the manual figuring out audio routing, .tsi importing and what not and it was working swimmingly.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.08.2012	Originally Posted by aarondavid Your comparing apples to oranges... Just go grab the trial of both VDJ and Traktor and play around with both for an hour... trust me youll either love or hate one another The trial is crap, you need Pro to unlock all the good stuff
Lela Umanskaya 20.08.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c The worklow of traktor was messing with my chi Ok, now you are just trollin'
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.08.2012	Originally Posted by rotebass This was kind of the point of my "cool story bro" post. Paragraph after paragraph of him trying to convince others, or perhaps himself, that VDJ is teh best! and Traktor is for those that don't know better. Even worse, when others give very valid reasons why they prefer Traktor, they are called a noob. When his justification for calling others a noob is unsubstantiated, he admits ignorance and then continues to refer to these people as noobs. Not exactly what I would call constructive conversation... that was providing specific examples of how easy VDJ is to script, the noob comment was in regards to saying "workflow" because I was a)drunk and b)cringe whenever I hear or read it My ignorance was in regard to not knowing anything about interface design, I still don't understand where workflow comes from, it just sounds douchey to me, but I know a hell of a lot about djing and can back up any claim I make with evidence, generally the guys who say "workflow" heard that traktor is better from a video and have not attempted to use anything else. The reason I sprook VDJ here is that I like it and no one else does, that means there is no one to bounce things off and no one to help with advanced things, if people more people understand it then, more people will like it which ultimately means more fun for me...
Shonda Soulier 22.08.2012	/thread
Erich Vallabhaneni 22.08.2012	I believe we've all learned what we've always known from this thread. Some people like VDJ, some people like Traktor, some people use Serato, Mixx, blah blah blah. Personal preference and yes, I believe workflow has to do with dj software. How things are laid out and setup to work changes how you do things, and some people prefer different layouts of different things. Tis the way the world turns.
Leeanna Ayla 22.08.2012	We need all the variety we can get around here. I know you've switched a few people over to VDJ here so it's not a lost message. Keep on keepin on. Originally Posted by synthet1c It's the same as people saying "syncing gives me more time to do more important things" I shudder whenever I read it. Totally agree with you on that.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 21.08.2012	LOL that was sarcasm, I forgot about putting it in "comic sans" Fair enough, no one has to change, but no one accept me talks about and understands the benefits of VDJ, I'm just sharing what I know and isn't it better to have options? The whole "workflow" hate thing is because it's a "buzz" word that is quickly picked up by beginners, when people say it it seems they are just repeating what they heard in a video to sound cool. It's the same as people saying "syncing gives me more time to do more important things" I shudder whenever I read it.
Leeanna Ayla 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c fuck I hate when people say "workflow" Originally Posted by synthet1c The worklow of traktor was messing with my chi Except for when you use it or was this sarcasm? Hard to tell. Originally Posted by synthet1c A "workflow" is a linear procedure of actions. If you have a linear procedure for mixing music you should loosen up because something that sounds good for one mix wont necessarily sound good for another. Originally Posted by American Heritage Dictionary work
Eva Scuderi 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by ToOntown synthet1c, you definitely know your shit when it comes to VDJ...but have you used Traktor as extensively to give it fair comparison? I have 3-4 years under my belt with both and I'm only now considering going back to VDJ, mostly because of you and the buzz surrounding VDJ8. But from 2008 to now I hadn't thought twice of making the switch back. VDJ took a back seat for me and it's fair to say that I wasn't alone. People don't value the VDJ platform quite the same way that you do. You're a self-proclaimed Fanboy for christ's sake! You're so impartial! That's ok, but customization and flexibility are not ok for beginners. New DJs want effects, but they don't want to go digging for custom effects let alone BUY them after they've just bought the software. Traktor comes with a better variety of effects and in my opinion, they chain much more easily than in VDJ. For any new user that doesn't want to use DVS, I tell them to get an S2 with Traktor Pro. And in every case where people have told me that they started out with a Mixtrack Pro and VDJ, they thank me for telling them to check out Traktor. Maybe things look a little different on the Atomix community s, but I've never met anybody who started out with VDJ, switched to Traktor, then went back to VDJ. I started with Traktor, then Itch. I have changed to VDJ for sometimes without considering to switch back. I won't say it's the best software, but it's the most suitable one for me Anyway, I also agree with you that the customization, especially the scripting in mapping, is not for most DJ. I don't believe many DJs will be able to make advanced mapping in VDJ without spending sometimes studying about how to write those scripts. It would be even worse for beginners. They absolutely want to learn about DJing instead of coding Btw, I studied in IT department, so scripting is also fun for me.
Freida Leash 21.08.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c The trial is crap, you need Pro to unlock all the good stuff This is probably why I didn't mess with it for more than 45 minutes before deciding Traktor. VDJ was working poorly out of the box with a controller they claimed support as the pro version was needed. Traktor took me a little more digging to finding a mapping I liked, but the trail just wasn't working properly at all with anything to make a choice with VDJ. The demo was the full version, with a time limit, an afternoon with the manual figuring out audio routing, .tsi importing and what not and it was working swimmingly.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.08.2012	Originally Posted by aarondavid Your comparing apples to oranges... Just go grab the trial of both VDJ and Traktor and play around with both for an hour... trust me youll either love or hate one another The trial is crap, you need Pro to unlock all the good stuff
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.08.2012	It's a fair point toontown, but this is djranking s not digitaldjtips, I believe this community is an intermediate to advanced level of djing... digitaldjtips is for beginners who only want to know what they should buy... So mapping definitely has a home here and it is the foundation of what this site provides. Traktor's price I believe is a bad move as they are charging for the hardware not the software that makes it all work, but VDJ Pro with an upgrade from a Mixtrack Pro, Herc Rmx is only $150. most other LE controllers are $100... It stands to reason that NI will keep things locked out so they can make up the difference from their new pricing structure. I can't see Atomix ever locking anything out as they have no commercial interest in doing so, they support every controller and every sound and video format. Honestly it is just a happy accident that their software is the way it is because atomix never put as much thought into making the features easily accessible like NI have until now, but they have been there for the over a year.
Antoinette Bradshaw 20.08.2012	Your comparing apples to oranges... Just go grab the trial of both VDJ and Traktor and play around with both for an hour... trust me youll either love or hate one another
Shonda Soulier 20.08.2012	This isn't even what OP or any new DJ cares about. I feel pretty safe saying he/she isn't going to look this deep into the thread so I'll just say it--if you're dense enough to ask the question you don't give a shit about booleans or variable scripting. I also feel that Traktor's price point makes it a much better entry than VDJ Pro. I mean, I bought an A2DJ for $90 and got TPro2.
Stanley Topoleski 20.08.2012	honda vs toyota... mac vs pc...
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.08.2012	I can play nice
Nedra Fresneda 20.08.2012	Even tho there are counless threads on the subject, this thread will remain open as long as you peeps keep the discussion civilized.
Lela Umanskaya 20.08.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c The worklow of traktor was messing with my chi Ok, now you are just trollin'
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.08.2012	Originally Posted by rotebass This was kind of the point of my "cool story bro" post. Paragraph after paragraph of him trying to convince others, or perhaps himself, that VDJ is teh best! and Traktor is for those that don't know better. Even worse, when others give very valid reasons why they prefer Traktor, they are called a noob. When his justification for calling others a noob is unsubstantiated, he admits ignorance and then continues to refer to these people as noobs. Not exactly what I would call constructive conversation... that was providing specific examples of how easy VDJ is to script, the noob comment was in regards to saying "workflow" because I was a)drunk and b)cringe whenever I hear or read it My ignorance was in regard to not knowing anything about interface design, I still don't understand where workflow comes from, it just sounds douchey to me, but I know a hell of a lot about djing and can back up any claim I make with evidence, generally the guys who say "workflow" heard that traktor is better from a video and have not attempted to use anything else. The reason I sprook VDJ here is that I like it and no one else does, that means there is no one to bounce things off and no one to help with advanced things, if people more people understand it then, more people will like it which ultimately means more fun for me...
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.08.2012	The worklow of traktor was messing with my chi so I only used it for about 6 months, so not as extensively but I gave it a shot. My issue is that I could no longer map anything off the top of my head anymore, and when I tried to recreate my old mappings traktor didn't have the verbage or the modifiers to do most of it. Then moving on to effects I don't really like the sound of the resonant filter, the lfo filter sounded better though but no where near as good as the free vst "qb_filter", but as I have said previously I found that having to see the effects was limiting whereas in VDJ I can just map something and it will work. And there were no effects in traktor that couldn't be done in VDJ accept maybe the transpose. I hated the browser in traktor, I am used to VDJ's way of creating an external xml browser that is quick to navigate, I can make custom filter folders that are like smart crates to locate music from different folders easily. One thing I didn't like is that the information from the browser had to be transferred individually if you wanted it in the id3tags, but a tool has been made by a community member "phantomdj" to do it to the whole library or parts of it in a couple of clicks. I love the beatgridding in traktor, especially the metronome it makes everything match up perfectly, I had to make a few click tracks at different bpm's that I play on the adjacent deck when gridding, also the the grid markers are pretty terrible in VDJ, traktor owns in that respect if you sync. I didn't get a good look at the grid in any of the VDJ8 video's, but djdecks grid was great "very similar to traktor" so hopefully if it's not used on the default skin we can skin it to our own. When the takeover of djdecks happened and I used that and started researching what you can do with it it was all over, Adion has made an incredible software and I was looking forward to all of his amazing features merging with VDJ, that was the time I had a serious look at skinning and really wanted a way to use javascript on the skin which djdecks coding was based on, so that means you should be able to create your own functions. Colour waveforms never bothered me as I do all I can to avoid looking at them as I don't really listen properly when I can see the sound, and it usually takes a moment to refocus from sight to hearing, and I find the pretty colors moving on the screen sucks me in when using traktor. But I do prefer it's minimalist workflow "GUI" over VDJ's not very well thought out one, but I can just make my own to suit the information that I want, just waiting on 7.1 or 8 to start skinning again, as there is no beta so I don't know what will be included and will find out when everyone else does. The main reason though is that I started on VDJ and got used to it, I has some issues for a couple of hours setting up my timecodes, but played with the settings, read a couple of posts and they were working perfectly. I never used anything internal until version 7 was released as I was using a djm600, kp2 and an efx1000 so was never turned away by the eq, but once I started playing with vst's and found "minimal systems instruments - ultimate 3 band" I stopped using the djm as the vst sounded better and started using a controller as the mixer so started really playing with scripting. I figured out how to map from only learning "query ? action if true : action if false" and just pushed it as far as it can go. Oh and I used to cop heaps of shit from my mates because I used "noob" software, but they shut up when it sounded better and I could do more with it then they could dream of, but it did take some time to learn although I didn't have anyone to bounce ideas off because the VDJ Forum is pretty boring as it's populated with mostly older mobile dj's... DJTT is much more fun and I enjoy the "workflow" far more here.
Ethel Feigum 20.08.2012	I'm glad someone here sticks up for VDJ! My first controller (a Numark Total Control) came with LEs for both programs. I ran them side by side for quite a while, but ended up going with VDJ. This is a Traktor-biased community , so I gotta speak up on behalf of VDJ and say that it is definitely not just beginner software, is easily as powerful as Traktor (if not more so), and the biggest problem with it is the stupid name and the stigma brought on by shitty DJs with cracked versions. Both programs work just fine, It's all about what fits your style and which one you'd rather stare at for hours on end.
Lela Umanskaya 20.08.2012	Originally Posted by ToOntown People don't value the VDJ platform quite the same way that you do. You're a self-proclaimed Fanboy for christ's sake! You're so impartial! This was kind of the point of my "cool story bro" post. Paragraph after paragraph of him trying to convince others, or perhaps himself, that VDJ is teh best! and Traktor is for those that don't know better. Even worse, when others give very valid reasons why they prefer Traktor, they are called a noob. When his justification for calling others a noob is unsubstantiated, he admits ignorance and then continues to refer to these people as noobs. Not exactly what I would call constructive conversation...
Shonda Soulier 20.08.2012	synthet1c, you definitely know your shit when it comes to VDJ...but have you used Traktor as extensively to give it fair comparison? I have 3-4 years under my belt with both and I'm only now considering going back to VDJ, mostly because of you and the buzz surrounding VDJ8. But from 2008 to now I hadn't thought twice of making the switch back. VDJ took a back seat for me and it's fair to say that I wasn't alone. People don't value the VDJ platform quite the same way that you do. You're a self-proclaimed Fanboy for christ's sake! You're so impartial! That's ok, but customization and flexibility are not ok for beginners. New DJs want effects, but they don't want to go digging for custom effects let alone BUY them after they've just bought the software. Traktor comes with a better variety of effects and in my opinion, they chain much more easily than in VDJ. For any new user that doesn't want to use DVS, I tell them to get an S2 with Traktor Pro. And in every case where people have told me that they started out with a Mixtrack Pro and VDJ, they thank me for telling them to check out Traktor. Maybe things look a little different on the Atomix community s, but I've never met anybody who started out with VDJ, switched to Traktor, then went back to VDJ.
Roseanna Signorini 20.08.2012	When I first made the move into digital DJing in 2009, I bought a Numark Omni controller that came with Traktor LE that I immediately upgraded to Traktor Pro so Traktor was the first software I used. I do have both VDJ and Itch but Traktor is the 1 that suits me the best. Itch came with my Xone DX, I have tried it and tried to like it, its just chaotic to me. Found implementing effects and samples to be difficult. I have heard that when you start on Traktor and try to move to Itch or vice versa that most people find it hard to do and stick with what they originally started with. VDJ has a ton of great features and really does have more capabilities than Traktor but I really don't like the workflow. HAHA, just kidding...I mean I really don't like the GUI. I really like the big giant scrolling colored waveforms as opposed to the scrolling red and blue stick figures of VDJ. I have always found it amusing that the same people that like to boast about not hitting sync, turning off the BPM display and manually beatmatching are the same people that cry for overlapping waveforms. If hitting sync is a crime, then overlapping waveforms is a crime worthy of the death penalty. (for the record, sync or overlapping waveforms is not a crime IMO) Also when engaging a loop, its hard to see on the waveform in VDJ as compared to bright florescent green of Traktor. I also found the track display /info in VDJ is hard to read as compared to the customizable track display of Traktor. I do wish Traktor had video capability and 99 hot cues (are you listening NI?) VST plugins would also be nice to have to be able to switch things up and create something unique but not a total necessity. If VDJ changed the GUI I would give it a shot but as it stands Traktor has my heart.
Yong Aptekar 21.08.2012	synthet1c knows what hes talking about. VDJ has some VERY serious mapping capabilities. when it comes to VDJ or traktor, I like traktor, and synthet1c likes VDJ. its not about what software is better, its about trying them all out, and picking the one you like the most. Ive used serato, and VDJ MIXXX and torq, and Traktor is my favorite. Try hem both out and figure out the answer for yourself. Dont have us tell you what to use, or whats best.
Eva Scuderi 20.08.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c TBH the only limitation in VDJ is what you believe it can't do. That's the point.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.08.2012	GREAT POST CHAMP!!!
Lela Umanskaya 20.08.2012
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.08.2012	beatgrids hardly work with current bass music because the frequencies are tuned for gridding house, techno and trance... These styles of music have a louder and lower kick so the algorithm detects the loudest and lowest noise and picks the down beat. Bass music including breaks, dubstep, dnb, moombah etc... generally has a quieter and higher frequency kick to make room for the bass synth, and to compensate and fill out the sound has a louder and lower snare/clap, that is why most of the time the grid is off because the algorithm confuses the snare/clap for the kick, it doesn't matter what program you use, if you are going to sync you have to make sure your grids are correct or be prepared to manually adjust the position. VDJ7 will mix 4 decks happily, you can sync, match the bpm's or beatlock and easily choose your masterdeck that all syncing matches to. If you like cue point juggling you have 99 cues you can use in VDJ7 not just 8, that means you could set your normal cue's at the different sections of your track "I always set 5" then separate to that you could set your juggle cues. You could even map your hot cue buttons under a shift to change between the normal cues and your juggle cues. shift button toggle 'cue_swap' hot cue button 1 var 'cue_swap' ? hot_cue 11 ? on & hot_cue 11 : off & set_cue 11 & cue_name 11 "juggle 1" : hot_cue 1 hot cue button 2 var 'cue_swap' ? hot_cue 12 ? on & hot_cue 12 : off & set_cue 12 & cue_name 12 "juggle 2" : hot_cue 2 hot cue button 3 var 'cue_swap' ? hot_cue 13 ? on & hot_cue 13 : off & set_cue 13 & cue_name 13 "juggle 3" : hot_cue 3 etc... what it will do in english is: if the "cue_swap" shift is active and the button is pressed, check to see if the juggle cue already exists, if it does exist then go to and play from the cue point, however if the cue doesn't exist set the cue point at the current position and rename the cuepoint "juggle #". If the "cue_swap" shift is not enabled then hot cue as normal. (If the leds have been properly defined they will work as you would expect with it responding to whether the juggle cue exists when shifted, or if the normal cue exists if unshifted). That's pretty basic and not possible in traktor, there is many other things you could do to it also like add a shift to delete the cues.. hot cue button 1 var 'cue_swap' ? var 'shift' ? delete_cue 11 : hot_cue 11 ? on & hot_cue 11 : off & set_cue 11 & cue_name 11 "juggle 1" : var 'shift' ? delete_cue 1 : hot_cue 1 maybe activate an effect when you press the button down hot cue button 1 var 'cue_swap' ? var 'shift' ? delete_cue 11 : hot_cue 11 ? on & hot_cue 11 & effect 1 active while_pressed : off & set_cue 11 & cue_name 11 "juggle 1" : var 'shift' ? delete_cue 1 : hot_cue 1 you could always replace "effect 1 active while_pressed" with a specific effect "effect "looproll" active while_pressed" you could change the condition that it does all that stuff only if the deck is playing hot cue button 1 play ? var 'cue_swap' ? var 'shift' ? delete_cue 11 : hot_cue 11 ? on & hot_cue 11 & effect 1 active while_pressed : off & set_cue 11 & cue_name 11 "juggle 1" : var 'shift' ? delete_cue 1 : hot_cue 1 : do something else you could even make the button do something if the song is in the first half or not songpos_remain 50% ? var 'cue_swap' ? var 'shift' ? delete_cue 11 : hot_cue 11 ? on & hot_cue 11 & effect 1 active while_pressed : off & set_cue 11 & cue_name 11 "juggle 1" : var 'shift' ? delete_cue 1 : hot_cue 1 : do something else I'm just pulling random stuff out of the air now... but the point is you are not limited to a set amount of modifiers, you can create a variable "modifier" based on anything that can be queried as a boolean answer "true/false" which is everything! If you are an effect whore you are not limited to seeing the effect on screen, or having the cue point visible, or even having the deck on screen... it all happens in the background... TBH the only limitation in VDJ is what you believe it can't do.

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