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serato or traktor?
Posted on: 12.10.2012 by Alene Kalush
serato or traktor?
Alene Kalush
18.10.2012		Oh haha im laughing so hard. -_-
Originally Posted by oliosky
lol.I voted report post.lol
Lindy Jonker
16.10.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
If Serato had sync and Traktor didn't, you know the results of this poll would be reversed, haha.
If Scratch Live had the equivalent of a soft sync it'd be fantastic.

My digital tunes are all ripped from my CD collection and there's a little float in some; others have clearly been recorded from black crack. Really wouldn't expect the acid, techno and drum'n'bass in my collection to have much swing it, but feels like that at times and the BPM readout reflects that.

If they could have it that the second or third deck come with +/-0.2 of the other track and equalised the pair? Sick nuts.

(Not "set BPM on load" or having anything to do with beatgrids: if you're out of phase or haven't got the bars, stiff biscuits)
Lindy Jonker
16.10.2012
Originally Posted by D-Kem
Well I've read this thread and learnt nothing useful.

What I want to know is which one is more enjoyable from a timecode perspective? Only ever used traktor but happy to shell out on Serato if it fills the emotional void I currently experience with Traktor.

Traktor historically is buggy as hell whenever a new update comes along. To be honest i'm fed up of it.
In my opinion...own opinion...personal opinion...personal experience...

Scratch Live.

Originally cutting tapes and mixing wax, I ended up a Traktor user and found it an absolute joy using it with MIDI controllers (my last rig was 2x VCI-100 for independent control of all four decks). MIDI/controller management in Traktor is SECOND TO NONE, and is one of the few things missing in Live: Ableton could learn from NI.

When I moved back to decks I really felt that - even with its Final Scratch...erm...pedigree - it was tacked-on functionality. It felt a little disjointed for my tastes (go figure).

Scratch Live being built from the ground-up as a DVS I feel nailed it. Very comfortable with its interface: find it uncluttered and easily navigable.

Biggest irk with both of this applications is the limited customisation options. If you've seen the two-deck view in SSL, where it has the two white circles with the info (time elapsed/remaining, BPM, etc)..? Would love a three-deck view with these. No waveforms or nothing. Just enough to get by (as I use it more as a digital crate and mix by ear, more than anything else. Don't even use The Bridge or in-built effects).
Alene Kalush
15.10.2012		true true...just keep the replies and votes coming.lol haha.
Originally Posted by Nicadraus
Funny thread. I like reading some more.

Bring out the popcorn!
Alene Kalush
15.10.2012		hahahaha
Originally Posted by keithace
makes me wonder why some dude with 130+ posts makes a thread like this...
Nedra Fresneda
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
Why?
Because we have more than enough threads about the subject dating back from 2008. If you want to discuss that, use the existing threads
Alene Kalush
15.10.2012		hahahaha soo true!
Originally Posted by DJSigma
If Serato had sync and Traktor didn't, you know the results of this poll would be reversed, haha.
Johnetta Olewine
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by DJ JesC
i havent used traktor in ages...i tested out 2.5 with vinyl and didnt feel like working out the bugs.
I'm still running TP2 2.1.2 for that very reason. Fuck beta testing for NI and copping the instability that comes with every new release. Don't update straight away and things go OK, which is an incredibly lame situation from a company as big as NI.

That being said, I've never had any issues with vinyl timecode in the versions of TP2 I've used. Feel is pretty much the same as serato and I love the easy integration with the X1. The mk2 tcv has a good feel and the slow speed movement is great. It ultimately comes down to progressive features/customisation of traktor vs the simple no nonsense stability of serato
Latoria Kavulich
18.10.2012		closing this irrelevant thread. oliosky, descendent, i have my eyes on you.
calling someone a cock and then reporting them is a pretty dumbass thing to do.
Alene Kalush
18.10.2012		Oh haha im laughing so hard. -_-
Originally Posted by oliosky
lol.I voted report post.lol
Johnetta Olewine
17.10.2012		lol.I voted report post.lol
Alene Kalush
17.10.2012		Keep voting
Johnetta Olewine
16.10.2012		you'reacockyou'reacockyou'reacock.lol
Alene Kalush
16.10.2012		All thistalk makes me want to get both.lol i really like controllersm but i want to get into Vinyl and sounds like serato is the way to go.lol
Kellie Myrum
16.10.2012		Traktor>ten empty places>serato>ten more>vdj...
Lindy Jonker
16.10.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
If Serato had sync and Traktor didn't, you know the results of this poll would be reversed, haha.
If Scratch Live had the equivalent of a soft sync it'd be fantastic.

My digital tunes are all ripped from my CD collection and there's a little float in some; others have clearly been recorded from black crack. Really wouldn't expect the acid, techno and drum'n'bass in my collection to have much swing it, but feels like that at times and the BPM readout reflects that.

If they could have it that the second or third deck come with +/-0.2 of the other track and equalised the pair? Sick nuts.

(Not "set BPM on load" or having anything to do with beatgrids: if you're out of phase or haven't got the bars, stiff biscuits)
Lindy Jonker
16.10.2012
Originally Posted by D-Kem
Well I've read this thread and learnt nothing useful.

What I want to know is which one is more enjoyable from a timecode perspective? Only ever used traktor but happy to shell out on Serato if it fills the emotional void I currently experience with Traktor.

Traktor historically is buggy as hell whenever a new update comes along. To be honest i'm fed up of it.
In my opinion...own opinion...personal opinion...personal experience...

Scratch Live.

Originally cutting tapes and mixing wax, I ended up a Traktor user and found it an absolute joy using it with MIDI controllers (my last rig was 2x VCI-100 for independent control of all four decks). MIDI/controller management in Traktor is SECOND TO NONE, and is one of the few things missing in Live: Ableton could learn from NI.

When I moved back to decks I really felt that - even with its Final Scratch...erm...pedigree - it was tacked-on functionality. It felt a little disjointed for my tastes (go figure).

Scratch Live being built from the ground-up as a DVS I feel nailed it. Very comfortable with its interface: find it uncluttered and easily navigable.

Biggest irk with both of this applications is the limited customisation options. If you've seen the two-deck view in SSL, where it has the two white circles with the info (time elapsed/remaining, BPM, etc)..? Would love a three-deck view with these. No waveforms or nothing. Just enough to get by (as I use it more as a digital crate and mix by ear, more than anything else. Don't even use The Bridge or in-built effects).
Alene Kalush
15.10.2012		true true...just keep the replies and votes coming.lol haha.
Originally Posted by Nicadraus
Funny thread. I like reading some more.

Bring out the popcorn!
Osvaldo Newhall
15.10.2012		Funny thread. I like reading some more.

Bring out the popcorn!
Alene Kalush
15.10.2012		hahahaha
Originally Posted by keithace
makes me wonder why some dude with 130+ posts makes a thread like this...
Nedra Fresneda
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
Why?
Because we have more than enough threads about the subject dating back from 2008. If you want to discuss that, use the existing threads
Margie Pavell
15.10.2012		makes me wonder why some dude with 130+ posts makes a thread like this...
Margie Pavell
15.10.2012		shut up...
Alene Kalush
15.10.2012		hahahaha soo true!
Originally Posted by DJSigma
If Serato had sync and Traktor didn't, you know the results of this poll would be reversed, haha.
Johnetta Olewine
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by DJ JesC
i havent used traktor in ages...i tested out 2.5 with vinyl and didnt feel like working out the bugs.
I'm still running TP2 2.1.2 for that very reason. Fuck beta testing for NI and copping the instability that comes with every new release. Don't update straight away and things go OK, which is an incredibly lame situation from a company as big as NI.

That being said, I've never had any issues with vinyl timecode in the versions of TP2 I've used. Feel is pretty much the same as serato and I love the easy integration with the X1. The mk2 tcv has a good feel and the slow speed movement is great. It ultimately comes down to progressive features/customisation of traktor vs the simple no nonsense stability of serato
Lina Rawie
15.10.2012		I use timecodes (vinyl) with it and outside of scratching with key lock on, I believe Traktor works great in that respect - as good as Serato, if not marginally better due to the way it responds to very slow record movements. I'm just talking about the core functionality of mixing/scratching though.

Based on my experience: -

Mixing - Nothing between them
Scratching with key lock on - Serato (by miles)
Scratching with key lock off - Traktor (but only just)

I do find Traktor more taxing on my system though and overall I don't have that feeling of "I trust this not to fail" like I did with Serato. I know that either can fail and other aspects of your setup can fail (OS crash for example), but Traktor seems like it's trying to pack in too many features at the expense of stability/optimisation IMO. I've noticed minor bugs with it too, which doesn't really fill me with confidence.
Erich Vallabhaneni
15.10.2012		serato is better in the timecode department i belive. Not to mention all those sick choices in the vinyl
Lauretta Ehrhorn
15.10.2012		Well I've read this thread and learnt nothing useful.

What I want to know is which one is more enjoyable from a timecode perspective? Only ever used traktor but happy to shell out on Serato if it fills the emotional void I currently experience with Traktor.

Traktor historically is buggy as hell whenever a new update comes along. To be honest i'm fed up of it.
Kiyoko Wellisch
15.10.2012		Read it again, he never said that traktor users can't beatmatch or anything like that.
Lina Rawie
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
No, it is ignorant. It's ignorant to make a broad generalization about people that use traktor.
Where did I do that? Did you read all of my posts in this thread? The very first one I made started with this sentence: -

Originally Posted by Me!
I owned Torq for a few months, then Serato for a few years, then a few months ago I switched to Traktor.
So if I'm attacking all Traktor users, then I would be attacking myself, lol.

I'm saying that some people buy it solely because it has sync and Serato does not. I know that for a fact.
Margie Pavell
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
Hardly.
No, it is ignorant. It's ignorant to make a broad generalization about people that use traktor.
Rena Estabrook
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by Johbremat
Common misconception, that. Scratch Live is the software, made by Serato (Serato Audio Research, NZ). SL* audio interfaces and enabled mixers are produced by Rane (Rane Corporation, US).
Thanks for clarifying. Big difference with owning and licensing.
Cristian Carmona
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by jprime
I haven't used Traktor in ages, can you comment on it's current stability?
i havent used traktor in ages...i tested out 2.5 with vinyl and didnt feel like working out the bugs.
Lina Rawie
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
and that is an enormously ignorant statement..
Hardly. I've been around DJ community s and other DJs in real life long enough to know what goes on man. When you say to someone that can't mix without autosync that it might be better for them if they learned the craft properly (nothing stopping them using autosync later on), they often get EXTREMELY defensive about it. That's probably why I'm being told not to talk about it - so certain people don't get all butt hurt. Some people simply can't take criticism of their choices on the chin, but still - IMO the moderators should deal with those people, rather than making a whole topic out of bounds.
Kiyoko Wellisch
15.10.2012		How is that ignorant?
Margie Pavell
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
Why? Do the people that use it cos they couldn't DJ without it get all upset or something? It seems odd to make discussion of a feature like that taboo on a community that's primarily about digital DJ gear.
probably because one of the mods just asked you nicely...

and that is an enormously ignorant statement..
Kiyoko Wellisch
15.10.2012		Well with Serato DJ Intro you wouldn't even need to pay for the TPro licence, you just buy the mixtrack and you're done.
Julissa Serrone
15.10.2012
Originally Posted by DJSigma
Take away that feature and I'd bet that a fair chunk of people here would be floundering around not knowing what the fuck to do. There's plenty of DJs out there that skipped the basics because Traktor allowed them to - maybe that's why they bought it in the first place. It's the n00b's choice - not saying it's only for n00bs of course.
There is some truth to that, but I believe a more significant factor is that it's cheap to get into when you're a noob. A used Mixtrack is 150.00 bucks and a license to Traktor is 89.00 while the cheapest Serato Itch controller is 500-600 dollars, and a bare bones SSL set up with be twice that. Then on top of that add sync and it's an easy choice for someone starting out.

Not saying that traktor is only for noobs, it obvioulsy isn't --- but it's the most economical choice for someone starting out.
Lina Rawie
15.10.2012		Why? Do the people that use it cos they couldn't DJ without it get all upset or something? It seems odd to make discussion of a feature like that taboo on a community that's primarily about digital DJ gear.
Nedra Fresneda
15.10.2012		Let's not make this thread another sync discussion shall we?

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