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Traktor DJ iOS App
Posted on: 21.02.2013 by Jarod Perrodin
Its out now, anyone tried it yet?
Larita Smaga
28.02.2013		70% brightness? Are you wearing sunglasses?

I'm not surprised that the iPad 2 is doing better in tests, that retina screen does pull a lot of GPU.

And, as I said, TDJ really isn't taxing the iPad that much. I guarantee the only reason it won't run on an iPad 1 is the iOS 6 requirement. DJ Player works perfectly well on the 1st gen apparently.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
28.02.2013		Ok todays test is showing much better results.

Reduced the brightness to 50% and ive lost 15% battery in 2 hours.

WOW what a difference. Still its a bit shitty that i cant have the retina screen used as it should be but I believe I can find a compromise around 70% and maybe get a good 5 hours which will get me through my gig.

Spoke to a Dev at NI and he has had the same issue. iPad 2 goes much longer than iPad 4.

Cheers lads.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
27.02.2013
Originally Posted by padi_04
Try with min brightness Karlos, you don't need more in dark environments anyways. Try your next run off a fresh boot as well.
Will do... but surely I shouldnt have to reduce brightness too much to get better results than 60% of what Apple claims (at best) the battery can last for.

I mean 10 hours is the claim and this is backed up by impartial reviews. I should at least be getting 5 or 6 hours under these conditions (everything off but Traktor DJ)..?

I have the iPad in a Ballistic Tough Jacket as well. Charging it over evening and will test again in the morning with reduced brightness, fresh boot and without the jacket (although It never gets warm anyway).

Originally Posted by Mojaxx
Yeah, definitely check your screen brightness. I keep getting to gigs and having to turn the brightness down when using Lemur because it's too bright in a dark club. You really shouldn't need it at more than 25/30%.

The thing with TDJ, it's clearly not even that processor intensive. After running it for 6hrs my iPad wasn't even warm, whereas I'd expect it to be after an hour of, say, Infinty Blade. You should DEFINTELY be seeing more than 5 hours IMO.
Yep, something is wrong.
If I dont get better results tomorrow, im hoping over to the Apple store. They usually take one look at my registered products and go out of their way to help (stupid Apple Fanboy).
Larita Smaga
27.02.2013		Yeah, definitely check your screen brightness. I keep getting to gigs and having to turn the brightness down when using Lemur because it's too bright in a dark club. You really shouldn't need it at more than 25/30%.

The thing with TDJ, it's clearly not even that processor intensive. After running it for 6hrs my iPad wasn't even warm, whereas I'd expect it to be after an hour of, say, Infinty Blade. You should DEFINTELY be seeing more than 5 hours IMO.
Nedra Fresneda
27.02.2013		Try with min brightness Karlos, you don't need more in dark environments anyways. Try your next run off a fresh boot as well.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
27.02.2013		No mate, I had Airplane Mode on and I have every conceivable notification turned off, all apps closed and all mail etc assigned to manual. Although Airplane mode disables everything anyway.

Damn i need to speak to Apple tomorrow to see if this is normal. I'll also ask the other testers at NI to do the same test and compare results.
Im kinda hoping that its a duff iPad now. I would be happy with just 6 hours especially with the Audio 6 connected (i havent even tested with that yet).

Thanks for the info Mojaxx, worrying but helpful... appreciated.
Larita Smaga
27.02.2013		You don't have 3G or LTE switched on, do you? That would cause a hit, I'd imagine, especially as the app syncs with Dropbox fairly regularly.
Larita Smaga
27.02.2013		As above mate:

Originally Posted by Mojaxx
I've had the app running for 5 hours on my iPad 2 now, started at 92% battery, now at 44%.

2 tracks looping with FX locked on
Audio 6 connected
Screen brightness at around 30%
Wifi on.
Running Traktor DJ, obviously...

The iPad 2 is 16gb, bought 4 months ago refurbished from Apple.

It's the second iPad 2 in my household, and the kind of battery life I'm getting in this test is what I would have expected. I only did the test toevening because your results were worryingly short, and I thought I'd better check for myself before trying the app live next week.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
27.02.2013		EDIT: just read your first post.

Hmm, interesting.

I hope I can get someone with a 4 to do the same test cus your results piss on mine
Larita Smaga
27.02.2013		6hrs 15mins now... still got 30% left...
Larita Smaga
27.02.2013		I have to wonder if that big 'ol retina display is what's causing the short battery life, Karlos.

I've had the app running for 5 hours on my iPad 2 now, started at 92% battery, now at 44%.

2 tracks looping with FX locked on
Audio 6 connected
Screen brightness at around 30%
Wifi on.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
27.02.2013		Updated my time test:

iPad 4 64GB, 100% charged:
Traktor DJ , one track with a loop continuously played with no Audio card lasted 4 hours and 15 minutes until the battery was totally dead.

I imagine that mixing and browsing the collection would decrease this somewhat.

Next test: Battery drain with an Audio 6 , powered and on a hub.
robin loo
26.02.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I timed it with the stop watch on the iPad. Maybe that consumed more battery life.


I have actually followed the advice on the Apple website to get better battery life. Pretty much turned everything off, and then stuck it in Airplane Mode just to be sure.

I'll test it again anyway.
i am really interested on how long it will last with a komplete audio 6, because the komplete lacks external power. will hopefully have the time next week to test it with a friends soundcard and a powered usb hub..
nayit ruiz jaramillo
26.02.2013
Originally Posted by markage
I wonder if the retina display makes a big difference, because that number seems awfully low. I can watch Netflix on my iPad 2 for upwards of 8 hours before the battery will die, so I figured Traktor would be at least close to that. I generally use my iPad about an hour a day, and I only need to charge it once a week.

Not saying you're lying or anything, just surprised.
I timed it with the stop watch on the iPad. Maybe that consumed more battery life.


I have actually followed the advice on the Apple website to get better battery life. Pretty much turned everything off, and then stuck it in Airplane Mode just to be sure.

I'll test it again anyway.
Florene Tolo
26.02.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
My test, running a loop on one deck on an iPad 4 fully charged without and audio card and left running drained the battery in 3.5 hours.
I wonder if the retina display makes a big difference, because that number seems awfully low. I can watch Netflix on my iPad 2 for upwards of 8 hours before the battery will die, so I figured Traktor would be at least close to that. I generally use my iPad about an hour a day, and I only need to charge it once a week.

Not saying you're lying or anything, just surprised.
Oretha Afful
26.02.2013		So a motu ultralite is out of the question I assume?

Was believeing traktor Ipad would be a great 2 deck addition to my CDJs.
But honestly 3 hours of battery life is scary since yo'd have to remember to have it fully charged before every gig. I wouldn't believe of DJing with it half charged for a set longer than a hour.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
26.02.2013
Originally Posted by donstone
so much to read through, didn't really see an answer to this question.

If I have this running through a soundcard, how does the ipad charge? If it doesn't charge how long will it last. If you forget to charge your ipad are you out of luck for the evening ?
My test, running a loop on one deck on an iPad 4 fully charged without and audio card and left running drained the battery in 3.5 hours.

I have yet to test it with an audio card that is powered and on a powered hub but I would imagine it would be less that 3.5 hours.

To charge the iPad and output audio you need a specific iOS soundcard like the Apogee Duet2 (ipad/mac edition) which is due for release in a few months and costs about
Lashawn Maycock
26.02.2013		Just thought I'd put down my thoughts; been playing with the app for a couple of hours over the last couple of days, I'm pleasantly surprised, it's not bad at all. There's obvious areas for improvement/additions when compared to TP itself but as an app for ideas etc, it does it very well. The gridding is very slick as is Freeze.

I may be odd here, but I actually believe I'll use this more for mixing ideas and listening through new tracks than I will for track prep - I'm not a big one on this in any case do most things on the fly in the fully blown Traktor Pro.

A few additions I'd like to see:

- Facility for manual beatmatching tweaks i.e. if slightly out of phase, you can drag the beats back in to line on the fly (similar to jog wheel)
- 4 decks/sample decks
- Be able to set default loop length to 32 beats
- Be able to set default zoom view of waveform - I like to be zoomed out a fair bit
- Not sure if technically feasible at all, more of a 'nice to have' feature; iPad control of the remix decks in Traktor Pro
Oretha Afful
26.02.2013		so much to read through, didn't really see an answer to this question.

If I have this running through a soundcard, how does the ipad charge? If it doesn't charge how long will it last. If you forget to charge your ipad are you out of luck for the evening ?
Wilbert Kulczak
25.02.2013
Originally Posted by shr3dder
Pretty much identical to me. I was hoping with the new Traktor Key function and the iOS app I'd be able to cut half of those steps out, and be able to spend more time doing track prep etc while I'm at uni/work/on a train.

Oh well I guess I'll have to keep dragging that heavy macbook air around with me...


I'm hoping for this type of integration in a future update as it would be clutch, as it is it will still work well for on the go set prep; listening to the tracks, finding the mix in/out points of the songs and marking them. For the time being, I'll still just have to do initial prep on the Macbook.

p.s. anyone who's been using the app, once you create a playlist is there a way to rearrange the playlist track order?
Ara Tima
25.02.2013
Originally Posted by stevohill
My previous track prep work flow was;
-Download new Tracks
-Analyze in MIK
-Move into iTunes Library and update tags
-Drag from iTunes Library in Traktor into Playlists and analyze in Traktor(set beatgrids, etc.)
Pretty much identical to me. I was hoping with the new Traktor Key function and the iOS app I'd be able to cut half of those steps out, and be able to spend more time doing track prep etc while I'm at uni/work/on a train.

Oh well I guess I'll have to keep dragging that heavy macbook air around with me...
Wilbert Kulczak
25.02.2013
Originally Posted by shr3dder
I just flicked through the thread, pretty sure it hasn't been answered but forgive me if it has.

So with this app I'd be able to do all my tagging as well? Eg. Comments, Playlists, Genre? If so. Sold.
I've been searching for this answer myself but didn't have too much time over the weekend after picking Traktor DJ up to thoroughly test out the metadata sync function. I was hoping for integration just like you were mentioning, prepping playlists, tags, etc on the go and then having these sync with Traktor Pro.

From what's been mentioned previously, it seems that the actual track preparation sync is fairly limited to just different hot cues. With my normal track prep I always have my #1 cue set as the "Grid." Traktor DJ doesn't seem to allow you to designate this hot cue. Will it update in the Traktor Pro files that his is the "Grid" point?

My previous track prep work flow was;
-Download new Tracks
-Analyze in MIK
-Move into iTunes Library and update tags
-Drag from iTunes Library in Traktor into Playlists and analyze in Traktor(set beatgrids, etc.)

I've correctly synced Traktor DJ/Pro to Dropbox; but am having a difficult time in understanding just how the metadata sync works. I've tried updating a few different songs, but haven't noticed whether it's updating the metedata on the laptop or not.
Ara Tima
25.02.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Nope, just Cue Points and Beat grids im afraid.
So not even playlists?

Damn. That's what I was most excited about, other then that I can't say I'd use it much other then stuffing around, which makes me question if I'd really need it.....
nayit ruiz jaramillo
25.02.2013		Nope, just Cue Points and Beat grids im afraid.
Ara Tima
25.02.2013		I just flicked through the thread, pretty sure it hasn't been answered but forgive me if it has.

So with this app I'd be able to do all my tagging as well? Eg. Comments, Playlists, Genre? If so. Sold.
Johnetta Olewine
24.02.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I am still putting the right information together but for the moment what I can say is that it is not possible to update these cards to become Class Compliant even if NI wanted to do it they physically cannot.

AFAIK, none Xmos devices cannot be used by iOS devices. The A8 is not an Xmos device (it does not have an Xmos micocontroller) thus cannot be used by iOS devices.

Like is say this is AFAIK, not official.

I agree that NI have been lax in not telling users if/why the A8/4 will or will not be upgraded. But i will dispel the myth that its just cus NI dont want to if that is true.
Bummer. Cheers for the info though Karlos. Be interesting to see what NI say.
Venetta Cawyer
24.02.2013		Yes you can but I wouldn't suggest it.
Traktor DJ loads up any song you have that it can read. It then creates an analysis file based on the filename of that track and puts that file in Dropbox.
So as long as you have that song on your iPad, it'll be fine. But when it's deleted and redownloaded.. I have no idea what the filename will look like on the iPad and you might lose all the info you put in that analysis file (i.e. BPM, hotcues, rating).
Granville Fedorowicz
24.02.2013		Yo!

I'm old DJ-hero who hasn't been mixing for quite a while, but I'm looking to get back into the game and this seems like a lot fun. Problem is that I no longer own a computer but I do own a iPad 2. I'm just wondering if I can just transfer songs from iTunes and blast away, no TSP etc required?
nayit ruiz jaramillo
24.02.2013
Originally Posted by oliosky
Wish those NI fucks would make the audio 8 class compliant

I am still putting the right information together but for the moment what I can say is that it is not possible to update these cards to become Class Compliant even if NI wanted to do it they physically cannot.

AFAIK, none Xmos devices cannot be used by iOS devices. The A8 is not an Xmos device (it does not have an Xmos micocontroller) thus cannot be used by iOS devices.

Like is say this is AFAIK, not official.

I agree that NI have been lax in not telling users if/why the A8/4 will or will not be upgraded. But i will dispel the myth that its just cus NI dont want to if that is true.
Nedra Fresneda
24.02.2013		I seriously doubt NI will make any of the older soundcards class compilant but if you guys make enough noise over NI's community you might get heard.
Johnetta Olewine
23.02.2013		Wish those NI fucks would make the audio 8 class compliant
nayit ruiz jaramillo
23.02.2013
Originally Posted by Nicky H
What about the v-midi - would be useful when they add core midi for sure:

http://www.vestax.com/v/products/detail.php?cate_id=190
On first look the V Midi looks like the solution. However whilst it does amplify the audio it still requires a splitter cable. It doesnt provide 2 channel stereo output. Its just a louder splitter cable with a midi i/o.

Close but no cigar
Lavona Pers
23.02.2013
Originally Posted by teriyaki
You can use any "class compliant" USB audio interface (which includes the A6 and A10, but not the A2 or A8).

Any recommendations A6/10, bit expensive for me?

Thanks.
Janyce Henningson
23.02.2013		What about the v-midi - would be useful when they add core midi for sure:

http://www.vestax.com/v/products/detail.php?cate_id=190
nayit ruiz jaramillo
22.02.2013
Originally Posted by loverocket
What do you believe? :"The Behringer Xenyx 302 USB is also "phantom powered," meaning it supplies a small current to condenser-style microphones that need power to work. This phantom power is always on, and since it draws enough current all the time, it is not compatible out of the box with an iPad in the same way that other USB mixers are. (USB mixers that are iPad compatible require the Apple Camera Connection Kit accessory which creates a USB port on the iPad from the 30-pin connector.) Alesis makes a small USB mixer (the MultiMix 4 USB) that's more expensive than the Xenyx 302 USB, but is compatible with the iPad with its separate power source."

What if I hook it through a powered USB HUB ?

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The camera kit will not pass power , not even on a powered hub like mine that can charge the ipad and iPhone at the same time faster than apples power adapters.

The only way to power and pass audio is with a proprietary cable such as the one on the vestal spin 2 and the apogee duet 2 (mac/ipad version).

It's a bitch of a problem that I've been trying to get around for weeks...!!!
Rochel Gleese
22.02.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
Dropbox is used to sync your Traktor Collection metadata with the Tracks that you import to Traktor DJ.

It works like this:
1- Prep tracks in Traktor > Perform Metadata sync which writes to Dropbox.
2- Import your tunes from iTunes into Traktor DJ.
3 - Traktor DJ syncs with the Dropbox collection and imports all your beatgrids and hotcues etc and puts them on the corresponding tracks.

TDJ checks Dropbox manually and automatically for changes.
Cheers thanks Karlos
Jerica Salava
22.02.2013		What do you believe? :"The Behringer Xenyx 302 USB is also "phantom powered," meaning it supplies a small current to condenser-style microphones that need power to work. This phantom power is always on, and since it draws enough current all the time, it is not compatible out of the box with an iPad in the same way that other USB mixers are. (USB mixers that are iPad compatible require the Apple Camera Connection Kit accessory which creates a USB port on the iPad from the 30-pin connector.) Alesis makes a small USB mixer (the MultiMix 4 USB) that's more expensive than the Xenyx 302 USB, but is compatible with the iPad with its separate power source."

What if I hook it through a powered USB HUB ?

>
Jerica Salava
22.02.2013
Originally Posted by teriyaki
Which you can't do Although neither can the desktop Traktor...
Will the iPad headphone jack still run as a CUE and the Behringer 2x2 as a MASTER?

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Ervin Calvery
22.02.2013		I love it.

I don't plan on performing with it publicly, though - and what would the point of timecode be? If you're using two turntables and a mixer you might as well bust out the computer.
Nedra Fresneda
22.02.2013
Originally Posted by teriyaki
neither can the desktop Traktor...
You can if you build and aggregated device in OS X or it's equivalent with ASIO in Win. You can forget about timecode tho.

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